Harriet Fordyce (Callender) Menzies (1788 - 1866)

Born 25 May 1788 in London, England

Ancestors

Wife of William Menzies HEICS — married 13 Aug 1811 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Descendants

Died 19 Apr 1866 at age 77 in Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland

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Biography

This profile is part of the Menzies Name Study.

Harriet (Callender) Menzies is a member of Clan Menzies.

Harriet (Callender) Menzies was born in England.

Birth and Baptism

Harriet Fordyce Callender was born on 25 May 1788 at London England.^[1] She was the eldest daughter of Kenneth and Harriet Callender surgeon Kenneth Callander, youngest son of Callender of Craigforth, and Harriet Bradford.

Marriage

Harriet Fordyce Callender married William Menzies on 10 Aug 1811 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.^[2][3][4] They had four children during their marriage;

• Child: William Menzies III Menzies-1133
• Child: Kenneth Menzies Menzies-1132
• Child: Emily Menzies (Twin) Menzies-1130
• Child: John Edward Menzies (Twin) Menzies-1131

Residence

• 1851 ^[5]- 114 George Street, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Relationship to Head of House: Wife. Living with husband William, who was 15 years older than she was, daughter Emily Menzies 22, and son John Edward Menzies 21. Also 5 employed servants.

Death and Burial

Harriet Fordyce Callender Menzies died on 19 Apr 1866 at Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland, while on her way to Bridge of Allan.^[6][7][8] There is an interesting quote from the Dundee Courier and Daily Argus with an Obituary for Harriet event date 23 Apr 1866, probably date of Obituary rather than death. Family Search and Find my Past noted.^[9]

Research Notes

From Geoffrey West -

'Years ago while trawling the internet I came upon a reference to Oregon University and a Carte de Visite collection in which were the two photographs just downloaded. Eventually I was able to obtain copies of the two photographs which were not quite what I had expected. On the reverse of William's photo is hand written " Mrs Simpson's dear Father William Menzies HEICBI" and on the back of Harriet's " Mrs Simpson's dear Mother, Harriet Fordyce Callander of Craigforth and Ardkinglas"

William's photo is marked with the name Croal 80 George Street, Edinburgh and the internet finds John Templeton Coal, professional photographer with a studio at 80 George St, from 1863 to 1866. There is a note that he exhibited a frame of 12 carte de visite in the 8th PSS Exhibition in Feb. 1864. Harriet's photo is stamped Ross and Pringle photographers to the Queen, 114 George St Edinburgh which was owned by William at some time. They were at 114 from 1867 to 1875 and at 103 Princes Street, 1876 to 1883 Mrs Simpson was William's daughter Emily. But it is not clear who wrote the comments or where or when, or ofcourse how they ended up in Oregan University. Facinating. Geoff West'

From MINGUS Inc. -

A letter from a book about the Holland Family of Liverpool. "From the wife (Maria Menzies) of the younger Robert Menzies (cousin to Wm Menzies), to the daughter of John Menzies of Liverpool (Catherine Menzies now Mrs Samuel Holland: WikiTree profile Menzies-1011). Outlines some genealogy of Wm Menzies, Solicitor of the Customs, starting with his grandson, Wm Menzies b. 1812, son of Captain William Menzies. https://books.google.com/books?id=eA4XAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=william+menzies+solicitor+of+his+majesties+customs&source=bl&ots=LBeXQQwr9s&sig=ACfU3U0iFo9xzdwpBxdZsZwyu-j4Rvzygw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5ko_1k9jsAhVlmeAKHbrRAU4Q6AEwB3oECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=william%20menzies%20solicitor%20of%20his%20majesties%20customs&f=false

Genealogy of William Menzies – The grandfather on his father’s side was William Menzies, Solicitor of Customs at Edinburgh and cousin to John Menzies late of Rodney Street, Liverpool and father of Mrs Samuel Holland.

His father is Captain William Menzies H.E.I.Coy service presently residing in 114 George Street, Edinburgh who is the youngest and now the only surviving son of the said late W. Menzies Solicitor of his Majesty’s Customs in Scotland, who was one of the Bolfrack’s family in the Highlands now extinct owing to the property being sold for the benefit of Bolfrack’s three daughters who are now all dead. His (W. Menzies’) grandmother on the father’s side was Miss Elizabeth Midcalf (also spelt Medcalf in documents) daughter of Dr Midcalf London, she was born in London.

All now left of the old stock of the Menzies family in Scotland is Miss Janet Menzies.

Captain William Menzies and his cousin the Honourable Mr Justice Menzies Cape of Good Hope who is married to Admiral Christian’s daughter. Judge Menzies was the only son of the late John Menzies, eldest brother of the present Capt. W. Menzies. Capt. Wm Menzies H.E.I.S. has one daughter and three sons; Emily Menzies, William Menzies, Kenneth Menzies, and John Edward Menzies. William Menzies’ mother was a Miss Harriet Callender eldest daughter of Kenneth Callender surgeon, youngest son of Callender of Craigforth, and she was sister to Lady Hardinge, wife of Sir Charles Hardinge.

Harriet Fordyce Callander is quoted in various sources as first daughter of Kenneth Callander of Craigforth, but my earlier attempts 20 years ago to traced her birth, failed, although she is well recorded as the wife of Capt William Menzies. But reference now traced on a Family Search as 1786 - 1866. is a firm reference. The early deaths of two siblings was also never traced before now.

Sources

1. ↑ A history of the family of Holland of Mobberley and Knutsford in the county of Chester Source Info, Stories, Memories & Histories.
2. ↑ Scotland, Red Books of Scotland, 1600-1939. Compiled by Gordon McGregor; The Red Book of Scotland; Volume: Red Book of Scotland Volume 6 Lin-Mer. Page 760.
3. ↑ OPR – Edinburgh.
4. ↑ "Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYM2-KQG : 10 February 2018), William Menzies and Harriet Fordyce Callander, 10 Aug 1811; citing Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,066,690.
5. ↑ 1851 Scotland Census. Edinburgh St George Parish, Parish Number: 685/1.
6. ↑ Statutory record. See also Greenock Advertiser. 24 Apr 1866, edition.
7. ↑ Westminster, London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1558-1812.
8. ↑ A history of the family of Holland of Mobberley and Knutsford in the county of Chester Source Info, Stories, Memories & Histories.
9. ↑ Online Family Search record. Her Obituary is quoted in the British Newspaper Archives, Dundee Courier and Daily Argus. Event date 23 Apr 1866 which might be date of Obituary.

Acknowledgements

To Ian McHaffie, for permission to include information from his book: “Greek Secrets Revealed” for this Menzies family on pages 114 to 118 of this book.

To Dr David A Matthewes, Canton, NC, USA for research and source information from 1994.

To Geoffrey West-6495 for research and sourcing information .

To R Hare Hare-1576 and P Gray Howard-18870 for research, compiling, and contact with the Menzies family.

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