Alice Maude (Turner) Carney (1898 - 1985)

Born 1898 in Honiton, Devon, England, United Kingdom

Ancestors

Wife of Donald Campbell — married 16 Jan 1917 (to 22 Mar 1918) in Hampstead, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom

Wife of John Thomas Carney — married 16 Apr 1919 in St George Hanover Square, London, England

Descendants

Died 11 Sep 1985 at about age 87 in Perth, Western Australia

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Biography

Alice (Turner) Carney was born in Devon, England.

Birth and Early Years

Alice Maude (Campbell) Carney was born in 1898 and was baptised on 15 April 1898 in Honiton, Devon, England. Her parents were James Turner (1856-1942) and Mary Anne (French) Turner (1864-1901)^[1].

Alice's mother died in childbirth about 1901, when Alice was 3 years old. In March of that year Alice moved in with her grandparents at Honiton, Devon, along with her father and 3 brothers.^[2]

Family Stories

Sleep-walking seems to be a family trait. Her gran lived in a home of more than 1 storey and after a few years when she was around 6 she became too much for her gran and she went to her aunt and uncle in London who she remembers having musical evenings with popular musical artists of the time.

Ten years later, in the 1911 census, Alice (age 13) was living with her uncle William Turner at West Hampstead, London. Meanwhile, her father and brothers remained in their hometown of Honiton, Devon.^[3]

Alice's brother Walter is killed in a rail accident 1914

In 1914, Alice's older brother Walter Harry Turner (1895-1914) died instantly when he was struck by a passenger train. Walter was doing maintenance work alongside the rail track with his father, James Turner (1856-1942), and it was James who came across his son's body. Walter was 19 years old.^[4]

Killed on the Railway

A sad fatality occurred on the London and South-Western Railway line in the vicinity of Honiton on Saturday morning, when a young man was knocked down and killed by an express train.

Deceased, who was named Walter Harry Turner, and whose age was 19, was engaged, with his father, by Mr. Watts, of Honiton, who had contracted with the Railway Company, for the grass growing on the embankments.

About 10 a.m. deceased crossed the line, and walked along the iron bridge, a. well-known railway bridge, nearly three miles from Honiton, when he was caught by the 6.10 a.m. from Waterloo, which, at this point, was running at the rate of 60 miles an hour, and was killed instantaneously. The dead body was found by the father, who was proceeding to join the lad, preparatory to commencing work together, lying beside the down rails.

Deceased was well known in the town, and much sympathy is felt for his father and two brothers at the sad occurrence.

An inquest was held the same evening at the Honiton Police station by the East Devon Coroner (Dr. E. R. Tweed). Inspector Cheney watched the proceedings on behalf the London and South-Western Railway Company. The first witness was the deceased's father, who said he did not consider deceased to blame for the accident. Probably the echo of his footsteps when crossing the bridge deaden the sound of the approaching train.

The jury, of which Mr. W. Mickelburgh was foreman, returned a verdict of "Accidental death", and added a rider that they considered the Railway Company should have a responsible man, provided with a time-table, in charge of contractors engaged in clearing the railway banks of grass or hay.

"The jury gave their fees which were made up to 1 pound, to the father, as also did the witnesses, the Coroner joining.

World War I

Alice (19 years) married Scottish-born soldier Donald Campbell (1895-1918) on 16 January 1917 at St Cuthbert, Hampstead, Camden, England ^[5].

On 12 January 1918 Alice joined the Women's Army Auxilliary Corps, working with the Royal Flying Corp at Number 2 Hendon Aircraft Acceptance Park [Hendon Aerodrome].^[6]

Alice Enlists in the Women's Auxiliary Corps 1918

Only a few months later, Alice was widowed. Her husband Donald was killed in action on 22 March 1918 at France and Flanders. He was a member of the Royal Tank Corps^[7][8].

Alice marries Jack and moves to Australia

SS Ceramic, at Sea

A year later Alice married John (Jack) Thomas Carney (1894 - 1965) on April 16, 1919 in St George Hanover Square, London, England. ^[9]

Jack was an Australian solider, and on 20 September 1919 she emigrated to Australia with him, on the SS Ceramic.^[10]

Alice and Jack had the following children:

1. Dennis Carney
2. Olive (Carney) Perry
3. Shirley Carney
4. Bill Carney
5. Pearl Carney
6. Vida Carney

Electoral Rolls 1925, 1931, 1936, 1943

In 1925 Alice and Jack lived at 50 Cheriton Street, East Perth. Jack was working as a Railway employee.^[11]

In 1931 and 1936 Alice and Jack lived at 46 Hampshire Street, Victoria Park and Jack was working as a labourer.^[12][13]

In 1943 Alice and Jack were living at 104 Bishopsgate Street, Carlisle and Jack was still working as a labourer.^[14]

Alice and Jack Separate

By 1949, Alice and Jack had separated. Jack remained estranged from his family for the rest of his life. He may have had an issue with alcoholism as this was also an issue for two of his siblings.

In 1949 Jack was living at 243 Beaufort Street, North Perth, and working as a tester, while the rest of the family remained at Carlisle.^[15]

Alice dies in 1985

Alice died on 11 September 1985 in Perth, Western Australia aged ~91.^[16]

Family Stories

My grandmother Alice (we think Maud) Carney nee Turner was born in Honiton Devon England around 1890's.

She had two older brothers and her mother died in childbirth with her 4th child. She was then raised by her grandmother. Sleep-walking seems to be a family trait. Her gran lived in a home of more than 1 storey and after a few years when she was around 6 she became too much for her gran and she went to her aunt and uncle in London who she remembers having musical evenings with popular musical artists of the time.

She married (?Campbell) at the beginning of WW1 but sadly her husband of a few weeks was blown up in his tank in France.

She met our grandfather around the end of the war and married and returned to Australia, against the wishes of her family.

I was told that her eldest brother disinherited her (or actions to that effect) and things were very hard for her later in her marriage when our grandfather was suffering from the effects of his war experiences.

The younger of her brothers set up funds thru the Public Trustee that paid her a small income which helped.

Reference Notes

• Confirmed Alice's middle name was 'Maude' on Australian census records.
• Note there is another England-based Alice Maude Campbell - take care to review records based on name only between 1895 and 1919.
• Burial says birth date was 1898, aged 87 years

In 1918 Alice Maude Campbell is recorded as living at Harbord Street, Islington, London.^[17]

Sources

1. ↑ Baptism: "Devon, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920"
   Indexes created from Anglican Parish Registers held at South West Heritage Trust; Taunton, Somerset, England
   Ancestry au Record 62286 #103257 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Alice Maud Turner baptism on 15 Apr 1898, child of James Turner & Mary Ann Turner, in Honiton, Devon, England.
2. ↑ 1901 Census: "1901 England Census"
   Class: RG13; Piece: 2022; Folio: 13; Page: 18; ED, institution, or vessel: 13; Household schedule number: 111
   Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 7814 #11285738 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Alice Turner (3) granddaughter in household of James Turner (70) in Honiton registration district in Devon, England. Born in Honiton, Devon, England.

   Name	Relation	Status	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birth Place
   James Turner	Head		M	70		Rockbeare, Devon, England
   Sarah Turner	Wife		F	72		Venn Ottery, Devon, England
   James Turner	Son		M	45		Ottery St Mary, Devon, England
   John Turner	Grandson		M	8		Honiton, Devon, England
   Harry Turner	Grandson		M	6		Honiton, Devon, England
   Fred Turner	Grandson		M	5		Honiton, Devon, England
   Alice Turner	Granddaughter		F	3		Honiton, Devon, England

3. ↑ 1911 Census: "1911 England Census"
   The National Archives of the UK (TNA); Kew, Surrey, England; Census Returns of England and Wales, 1911; Registration District Number: 8; ED, institution, or vessel: 42; Piece: 632
   Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 2352 #1684548 (accessed 30 July 2023)
   Alice Maud Turner (13) niece in household of William Turner (49) at 8 Heysham Terrace, Iverson Rd, W Hampstead N W, Hampstead, London, England. Born in Niton, Devonshire, England.

   Name	Relation	Status	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birth Place
   William Turner	Head	Married	M	49	Railway Ganger	Niton, Devonshire, England
   Mary Ann Turner	Wife	Married	F	46		Norfolk, Norfolk, England
   William George Turner	Son	Married	M	25	Draughtsman	Willesden, Middlesex, England
   Daisy Turner	Daughter-in-law	Married	F	18		York, York, England
   Alice Maud Turner	Niece		F	13		Niton, Devonshire, England

4. ↑ Death of Walter Harry Turner. Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Monday 29 June 1914 - Page 3. Retrieved 29 July 2023 at the British Newspaper Archive at https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
5. ↑ Marriage: "London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938"
   London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; London Church of England Parish Registers; Reference Number: P81/CUT/005
   Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 1623 #5466865 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Alice Maud Turner (19) marriage to Donald Campbell on 16 Jan 1917 in St Cuthbert, Hampstead, Camden, England.
6. ↑ Military: "UK, Women’s Royal Air Force Service Records, 1918-1920"
   The National Archives; Kew, Surrey, England; AIR 80 - Air Ministry: Master General of Personnel and Director of Personnel: Airwomen's Records; Piece Number: AIR 80/37
   Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 62346 #22821 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Name: Mrs Alice Maud Campbell; Nationality: British; Marital Status: Married; Enlistment Age: 20; Birth Date: abt 1898; Residence Place: W. Hampstead N W; Enlistment Date: 12 Jan. 1918; Enlistment Place: Hendon; Discharge Place: Frobisher Bay; Military Country: United Kingdom; Unit: No 2; Regiment: (Hendon) Aircraft Acceptance Park; Service Branch: Royal Air Force; Relative Relation To Head: Husband; Relative Name: Donald Campbell; Relative Residence Place: Ayrshire.
7. ↑ Military: "UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919"
   Original data: British and Irish Military Databases. The Naval and Military Press Ltd
   Ancestry au Record 1543 #603227 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Name: Donald Campbell; Birth Place: Fairlie, Ayrshire; Death Date: 22 Mar. 1918; Death Place: France and Flanders; Enlistment Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire; Rank: A Sergeant; Regimental Number: 200288; Type of Casualty: Killed in action; Theatre of War: Western European Theatre; Comments: Formerly 1998, Machine Gun Corps.
8. ↑ Death: "UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923"
   Western Front Association; London, England; WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers; Reference: 616/11w; Reference Number: /W/27
   Ancestry au Record 61588 #494149 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Donald Campbell death.
9. ↑ Marriage Registration: "England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005"
   General Register Office; United Kingdom; Volume: 1a; Page: 1296
   Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry au Record 8753 #65454714 (accessed 31 July 2023)
   Alice Campbell marriage to John T Carney registered Apr-May-Jun 1919 in St. George Hanover Square.
10. ↑ Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930, Arrival Port: Albany, Vessel: Ceramic, Departure Port: Sydney, Disembarked 20 September 1919.
11. ↑ Electoral Roll 1925: Ancestry.com. Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Electoral Roll record for Alice Carney and John Thomas Carney. Year: 1925. Electoral Place: East Perth, Perth, Western Australia, Australia. Retrieved online 30 December 2020. Record Image
12. ↑ Electoral Roll 1931: Ancestry.com. Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Electoral Roll record for Alice Carney and John Thomas Carney. Year: 1931. Electoral Place: East Perth, Perth, Western Australia, Australia. Retrieved online 30 December 2020. Record Image
13. ↑ Electoral Roll 1936: Ancestry.com. Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Electoral Roll record for Alice Carney and John Thomas Carney. Year: 1936. Electoral Place: East Perth, Perth, Western Australia, Australia. Retrieved online 30 December 2020. [https://www.ancestry.com.au/sharing/22453273?h=d2c983 Record Imag e]
14. ↑ Electoral Roll 1943: Ancestry.com. Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Electoral Roll record for Alice Carney and John Thomas Carney. Year: 1943. Electoral Place: East Perth, Perth, Western Australia, Australia. Retrieved online 30 December 2020. Record Image
15. ↑ Electoral Roll 1949: Ancestry.com. Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Electoral Roll record for John Thomas Carney. Year: 1949. Electoral Place: North Perth, Perth, Western Australia, Australia. Retrieved online 30 December 2020. Record Image
16. ↑ Burial Record: Find a Grave, database and images (www.findagrave.com/memorial/213562509/alice-maud-carney : accessed 08 May 2021), memorial page for Alice Maud Carney (1898–11 Sep 1985), Find A Grave: Memorial #213562509, citing Karrakatta Cemetery and Crematorium, Karrakatta, Nedlands City, Western Australia, Australia ; Maintained by woowoo (contributor 49949980) . Burial:

    Name:	Alice Maud Carney
    Birth:	1898
    Death:	11 Sep 1985 (aged 86–87)
    Burial:	Karrakatta Cemetery and Crematorium Karrakatta, Nedlands City, Western Australia, Australia Add to Map
    Plot:	Mc Section-Garden 7-0030
    Memorial ID:	213562509

17. ↑ London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965, Year 1918, Ward: Finsbury and Fulham, County: Islington.