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William Carlyle (abt. 1466 - bef. 1525)

Sir William "2nd Lord Carlyle of Torthorwald" Carlyle
Born about in Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire, Scotlandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married before 12 Jul 1487 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 59 in Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire, Scotlandmap
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Profile last modified | Created 17 Aug 2019
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Preceded by
John Carlyle
2nd Lord Carlyle of Torthorwald
1501 - 1525
Succeeded by
James Carlyle

Biography

European Aristocracy
Sir William Carlyle was a member of the aristocracy in British Isles.

William was born in 1466.[1][2][3] He was the son of John Carlyle[4].

He married Janet Maxwell, daughter of John, Master of Maxwell, before 12 Jul 1587.[5][1][6] They had issue:

  1. James, third Lord Carlyle[5][6]
  2. Michael, fourth Lord Carlyle[5][6]
  3. Catherine, m. Simon Carruthers of Mouswald bef. 8 Jul 1516[7] N.B. other sources place her as the daughter of the 1st Lord
  4. Elizabeth[7]

William passed away between 22 Feb 1524 and 28 May 1525.[1][5]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Cokayne, George Edward, "The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom", London: St. Catherine Press, 1913, Ed. 2 Vol III, Archive.org, pp. 40-41
  2. Carlyle, Thomas, "Short Notices as to the Early History of the Family of Carlyle", British Archaeological Association The Journal of the British Archaeological Association, London: J.R. Smith, 1854, v. IX, 1, Google Books, p. 179
  3. Carlyle, Thomas, "Short Notices as to the Early History of the Family of Carlyle", British Archaeological Association The Journal of the British Archaeological Association, London: J.R. Smith, 1854, v. IX, 1, Google Books, p. 181
  4. Carlisle, Nicholas, "Collections for a History of the Ancient Family of Carlisle, London: W. Nicol, 1822, Hathitrust, p. 96
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1905, Vol. II, Archive.org, p. 387
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 Carlisle, Nicholas, "Collections for a History of the Ancient Family of Carlisle, London: W. Nicol, 1822, Hathitrust, p. 97
  7. 7.0 7.1 Paul, James Balfour. "The Scots Peerage : founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom", Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1905, Vol. II, Archive.org, p. 388

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The question is here https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/891103/elizabeth-carlyle-and-elizabeth-carlile if you want to add to the discussion.
posted by John Atkinson
Thom, I'm still not convinced that Elizabeth Carlyle is the same person as the Elizabeth Carlile who was mistress or second wife of Robert Semphill, 3rd Lord Semphill. Again secondary sources that don't cite primary sources aren't recommended for pre-1500 profiles.

However I'll post a question on G2G soon to see if we can get some more discussion about whether they are the same or different women.

posted by John Atkinson
No disagreement on the need to document but with company coming in from Abu Dhabi, San Francisco, and Houston, time was limited so I deferred a day. I should think anything within a week is timely for those of us with work pressures. ;>
posted by [Living Anderson]
Thom what is the source for Elizabeth being the daughter of William Carlyle and Janet Maxwell?

Although The Scots Peerage, Volume 2 does list a daughter Elizabeth, there is no indication of a marriage to Robert Sempill https://archive.org/details/scotspeeragefoun02paul/page/388 and Volume 7 about the Sempills also doesn't make a connection of Elizabeth back to the Lords Carlyle https://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun07pauluoft#page/548/mode/2up

With pre-1500 profiles it is extremely important that we are using reliable sources and neither of the current sources on this profile are considered suitable for pre-1500 profiles.

posted by John Atkinson

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