John Jacob Carper (1748 - 1829)

Born 8 Apr 1748 in Plymouth, Montgomery, Colony of Pennsylvania

Ancestors

Husband of Mary (Peck) Carper — married 1774 in Fincastle, Botetourt County, Colony of Virginia

Descendants

Died 30 Mar 1829 at age 80 in Jefferson, Tennessee, USA

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Biography

John Jacob was the son of Nicholas and Anna Margaretha Marsteller CARPER who married December 3, 1734 in Skippach.^[1] Vallentine's date of birth of 1730 and parentage (listed his parents and grandparents) for John Jacob is unlikely. The presumption that Jacob Carper "married a German girl" (See Research Notes for details) was probably a "family story" about Nicholas and Margaretha that was twisted over the years.

Jacob (John Jacob) Carper was born April 8, 1748 in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. He was baptised April 11, 1748. Source is Lutheran Register Muddy Creek, extracts of those published by the Penn German Society. Sponsors for baptism: Peter Schaub and Elisabetha Corperins. Muddy Creek Reformed Church Pastor Jacob Lischy Lancaster Co. PA.

John Jacob married Mary Peck 1774 Fincastle, Botetourt County, Virginia.

John Jacob passed away March 30, 1829, possibly in Jefferson TN.

Research Notes

Who are the parents of John Jacob Carper?^[2][3]

Vallentine on pdf pages 117-119 lists the parents of Jacob, husband of Mary Peck, as Jacob Carper born 1730 as son of Nicolas and Margaretha Carper. NOTE: Summarized from source by Fuller-5853 11:12, 2 November 2018.

Vallentine's 1730 DOB for Jacob, son of Nicholas and Margretha, is very unlikely given that Stoever records a marriage for them on December 3, 1734 in Skippack, Pennsylvania. Entered by Bill Willis 08:25, 11 November 2018 and edited for clarity. Fuller-5853 15:30, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Its conceivable (as some would seem to have it) that Nicholas was previously married, and that Jacob is a son by that previous marriage. That does not seem likely given the fact that the son does not appear on the ship list of the Lydia. If Jacob (son or otherwise) was born in 1730, then he would have had to come over separately at a later date. Conceivable, but if that's what Vallentine was picking up on, then its more likely that this later arriving Jacob Carper is someone else entirely. Simplest explanation is that Jacob is the son of Nicholas and Margretha, and was born after 1734. There'd need to be a very strong documentary chain showing otherwise to accept him as born in 1730 and the son of Nicholas. WMW. 11 Nov 2018.

Vallentine on pdf pages 130-131 lists Jacob (Abt 1753- Abt 1826) married to Mary Peck 1773-4. Speaking of John Jacob's father: NOTE: Summarized from source by Fuller-5853 11:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

It is presumed that Jacob Carper "married a German girl, probably another immigrant like himself and his father. A grandson, Joseph Peck, son of Benjamin and Margaret (Carper) Peck, wrote of his visits to the home of his grand parents during the late 1700*s. He stated that they spoke only German.... Jacob was supposedly the oldest son of Nicholas Carper.... Jacob Carper, son of the immigrant Nicholas, lived in Maryland and was the father of at least three children.... All three families moved from Maryland to Botetourt County, Va." [in 1778] (D7 after D9). It is presumed that Jacob Carper (1730) and his wife (name unknown) remained and died in the vicinity of Sharpsburg, Washington, Md.

Sources cited:

D7. The Carpers of Roane County; by Peggy A. Grubbs, 1985; Gateway; Press, Baltimore, Md.; 322 p.^[4]

D9. Genealogy of Joseph Peck and Some Related Families; by George; Braden Roberts; 1955; Washington, D . C ; 344 p.^[3]

As a point of clarity, when Joseph Peck, son of Benjamin and Margaret, visited his grandparents in the late 1700's he had to be referring to Jacob Peck and Lydia Borden, not Nicholas Carper and Margretha Marsteller. Nicholas died sometime between 1753 and 1758, based on the fact that son Frederick sold Nicholas' Little Muddy Creek property in 1758. WMW. Margaret did not marry Benjamin until about 1769. 11 Nov 2018. Entered by Bill Willis 08:32, 11 November 2018 and edited for clarity by Fuller-5853 16:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Roberts on page 181 lists 1065. Jacob Carper as father with less detailed account of marrying a German girl than Vallentine. NOTE: Summarized from source by Fuller-5853 16:59, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Roberts on page 26 lists his wife 11. Mary Peck and eight of their children. No mention of Jacob's parents. NOTE: Summarized from source by Fuller-5853 17:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Sources

1. ↑ Stoever Marriages in 1734 included 1734 "Dec. 3. Nicolaus Coerper and Margaretha Marstaller. Skippach."
2. ↑ Vallentine Available online as a downloadable pdf.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Roberts 1068. Jacob Carper Info on the Carper family begins on page 180. lists Jacob and unknown Carper as father and many possibilities for grandfather. NOTE: Summarized from source by Fuller-5853 16:59, 8 November 2018.
4. ↑ Norman 2. JACOB CARPER lists birth, father, residence, three known children with BMD info.

See also:

• John Jacob Carper on FamilySearch citing Vallentine and Legacy NFS Source: Jacob Carper Sr.

• Jacob Carper on Find A Grave: Memorial #35261835 has bio but NO marker

• Grubbs, Peggy A., The Carpers of Roane County Gateway Press, 1985 - Roane County (W. Va.) Search for "Jacob Carper".

• Norman, Don, Descendants of Nicholas Carper, "the main reference for this paper is" Grubbs which "is a treasure trove of data on the Carpers and collateral families."

• Roberts, George Braden. Genealogy of Joseph Peck and Some Related Families (George Braden Roberts, 1955)

• Stoever, Johann Casper, 1707-1779; Schantz, F. J. F. (Franklin Jakob Fogel); Records of Rev, John Casper Stoever: baptismal and marriage, 1730-1779

• Vallentine John F. Ancestral Families of Robert Lee Pack 1998.

Acknowledgments

Thank you to all those who have collaborated on Carper-546 which was created by Cheryl Bostrom, 21:40, 8 October 2018:

• Becky (Flinchum) Lambert
• Pat Credit
• Bill Willis WMW
• Those who passed family folklore down to our generation.

My source-Related families of Botetourt County, Va. shows Correct parents