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John Cary (abt. 1612 - 1681)

John Cary aka Carew, Carrew, Carre, Carye, Carey
Born about in Somerset, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married Jun 1644 in Duxbury, Plymouth Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 69 in Bridgewater, Plymouth Colonymap
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John Cary migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See The Directory, by R. C. Anderson, p. 56)
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Biography

Surname: Carew/Cary

In his entry for John Cary of Bridgewater, Savage stated "early his name was writ. Carew; but as the Eng. pronounce that name Cary, spell. soon foll. sound."[1] In fact, with the exception of two 1658 lists of freeman which spell his name "Carre," all of the Plymouth Colony court records prior to 1661 spell his name "Carew." [2] It wasn't until 1661 that Plymouth Colony records started spelling his name Cary or Carey.

In support of Savage's assertion that "Carew" was pronounced like "Cary," the wikipedia article on the Carew family name states that the surname "Carew" (pronounced "Cary") was originally Welsh and was found in Wales and areas in the southwest of England (e.g., Somerset, Devon and Cornwall) where the Welsh settled. This suggests that the fact that John's name was spelled "Carew" for the first 25 years he was in New England and then changed to "Cary" means either (1) that John's last name was originally spelled "Carew" and that he probably originated in Wales or the southwest of England or (2) less likely, that his last name was originally "Cary" or "Carey" but that the early record keepers for the Plymouth Colony were from those areas and were used to spelling the name as "Carew."

There is little doubt that the John Carew of the early Plymouth Colony records was the same person as the John Cary of Bridgewater, as the records are entirely consistent and the Carew spelling was used in several records that undoubtedly related to John Cary of Bridgewater, including the the record that "John Carew and Elizabeth _____ marryed the ____ June, 1644," and a 1656 record that the constable of Bridgewater was "John Carrew."[2]

For convenience, the remainder of this profile refers to him as John Cary.

Origin

The origin of John Cary is uncertain, but it is reasonably likely that he came from Somersetshire, near Bristol. Nahum Mitchell in 1840 stated that he was from Somersetshire, England. [3] Savage in 1860 stated that he is "said to have come from neighb. of Bristol, Eng."[1] The 1874 Cary Memorials stated that he came from Somersetshire, near the city of Bristol. [4] Neither Savage nor Mitchell provided sources for their assertion. However, the author of Cary Memorials stated that he had access to a manuscript that was more than 100 years old at the time that was written by one of John Cary's grandson that recounted the story of his grandfather's youth. The manuscript presumably providing the information that John was from Somersetshire, near the city of Bristol and further purportedly said that when John was a youth, he was sent by his father to France to perfect his education, that his father died in his absence, that upon his return to Somersetshire, he had a dispute with his brothers about the distribution of his father's estate, and that a settlement was reached where John received 100 pounds and he sailed to America.[4] It is very probable that the letter existed and the recollection of a grandson is sufficiently close in time to John Cary's lifetime as to be considered a quasi-primary record that is entitled to deference. A Somersetshire origin is also consistent with the fact that, for his first 25 years in New England, John's last name was spelled Carew although pronounced Cary, which, as discussed above, was only common to families in Wales and certain areas in the southwest of England, including Somersetshire.

Date of Birth

John Cary's date of birth is uncertain. Based on the fact that he received a grant of land in 1637, he was probably born no later than 1616. The fact that he was married in 1644 suggests that he was probably born after 1614, although he could have been born somewhat earlier. Savage stated that he immigrated at the age of 25 and first set down in 1637, which would mean that he was born about 1612.[1] Cary Memorials did not expressly state John's date of birth, but said that he immigrated in 1634.[4] Perhaps combining Savage's statement that he immigrated at the age of 25 and Cary Memorials statement that he immigrated in 1634, John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim stated that he was born about 1610. [5] Without reliable evidence, however, that date seems somewhat too early, as it would mean that John did not get married until he was 34.

Disputed Parentage

John Cary's parentage has not yet been determined. A number of candidates have been proposed, some of which are disproven and none of which have been proven.

William Cary, Mayor of Bristol

Henry Grosvenor Cary, in his 1907 The Cary Family in America, stated that John Cary was the son of William Cary, who was the mayor of Bristol, England in 1611. As support for that assertion, the author stated that it was in accordance with the statement of "Edward Montagu Cary, of Milton" and also according to Judge Nahum Mitchell.[6] No copy of the statement of Edward Montagu Cary has been found and its contents and basis are unknown. In History of the Early Settlement of Bridgewater, Nahum Mitchell does state that John Cary was from Somersetshire, but makes no reference to his parentage.[3] While it is well established that William Cary, mayor of Bristol, had a son named John, it is almost certain that this profile's John Cary was not he, as there is substantial contrary evidence. (1) A 1700 pedigree for William Cary shows that his son John was the 4th son of William Cary, while James Cary of Charlestown, New England was his 7th son. [7] Since James Cary was baptized in 1600, [8] his older brother John was probably born before 1590, which is at least 20 years before the estimated date of birth of this profile's John Cary. (2) The same 1700 pedigree of William Cary states that his son John Cary married Alice, daughter of Henry Hobson.[7] There is, in fact, a record of the marriage of a John Carye and an Alice Hobsonne, daughter of Henrye Hobsoon at All Saints in Bristol, Gloucestershire on October 23, 1614,[9] which again indicates that John Cary, son of William Cary, mayor of Bristol, was born at least 20 years earlier than this profile's John Cary. (3) Research by Fairfax Harrison shows that John Cary, son of William Cary, mayor of Bristol, was baptized in 1685 and was buried in Bristol in 1661 [10] and thus could not have been this profile's John Cary. (4) The manuscript of the grandson of this profile's John Cary, described in Cary Memorials, (i) does not claim that his father was the mayor of Bristol, which would no doubt have been a point of family pride, and (ii) says that he was from near Bristol, not from Bristol.

John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford

Some family genealogies have proposed that John was the son of John Cary (the son of William Cary, mayor of Bristol) and his first wife, Elizabeth Hereford. This parentage is also highly unlikely for several reasons. (1) The only record that shows that John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford had a son named John is the pedigree that was filed with the Heralds' College in 1700 by a grandson of John and Elizabeth. That pedigree shows that John Cary, son of John Cary and Elizabeth Hereford, was "of Hackney" in Middlesex County and died about 1656. [11][12] (2) The manuscript of the grandson of this profile's John Cary, which is described in Cary Memorials, says that he was from near Bristol, not from Bristol.

Walter Cary and Grace Browne

Another theory that has been proposed by some family genealogists is that John was the son of Walter Cary (who was another son of William Cary, mayor of Bristol) and his wife, Grace Browne. Walter was born in 1588 and died in 1633.[13] His wife Grace died in 1668 and left a will in which she bequeathed to "sonne John Cary if living att the tyme of my decease the summe of five shillings as a small remembrance of my love to him."[14] It has been speculated that the John referenced in the will could by this profile's John Cary because (1) the date of Walter Cary's death in 1633 is consistent with the statement in the manuscript of the grandson of this profile's John Cary, described in Cary Memorials, that John emigrated in 1634 after the death of his father and (2) the suggestion that the reference by Grace in her will to her son John "if living at the time of my decease" meant that Grace did not know if John was alive because he was in living in New England. The arguments against the proposition that Walter and Grace were the parents of this profile's John Cary are that (1) according to the Heralds' College pedigree of 1700, none of the children of Walter and Grace survived,[13] (2) the reference by Grace in her will to her son John "if living at the time of my decease" just recognizes that he could die between the time of her will and her death and, if her son John had emigrated to New England, it would have been typical for her to refer to his being in New England, (3) the evidence connecting this profile's John to Walter and Grace is thin and circumstantial and there were plenty of John Carys and John Carews in the Somerset and Bristol areas and elsewhere who could have been this profile's John Cary, and (4) the parentage does not explain why the surname of this profile's John Cary was spelled "Carew" for the first 25 years he was in New England.

Sir John Carew of Crowcombe, Somerset

The Visitations of Devon contain a pedigree of Carew of Crowcombe, Somerset that shows that a Sir John Carew died in 1635, leaving three sons, including John Carew, who was the youngest son. [15] The pedigree does not provide any further information on John. The arguments for the proposition that John Carew of Crowcombe was this profile's John Cary are that (1) the Sir John Carew's date of death in 1635 in consistent with this profile's John Cary having a dispute with his brothers regarding his father's estate and emigrating to New England by 1637, (2) the spelling of John Carew's surname is consistent with the spelling of this profile's John Carew in records during his first 25 years in New England, and (3) Crowcombe is in Somersetshire and although not particularly close to Bristol, Bristol is the closest large city. The arguments against the proposition that John Carew of Crowcombe was this profile's John Cary are that (1) Burke's Landed Gentry states that John Carew married Dorothy Hippesley and died without heirs[16] (although other accounts show a Dorothy Hippesley marrying Periam Pole)[17] and (2) the evidence connecting this profile's John to John Carew of Crowcombe is thin and circumstantial and there were plenty of other John Carys and John Carews in the Somerset and Bristol areas and elsewhere who could have been this profile's John Cary.

Immigration to New England

The date of John's immigration to New England is uncertain. Cary Memorials,[4] John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim[5] and Virkus[18] state that he immigrated about 1634. None of those secondary sources expressly state where the date comes from, but the fact that Cary Memorials relied on a manuscript by John's grandson for information relating to his early life suggests that that manuscript may have referenced that date. No record has been found, however, that establishes John's presence in New England prior to 1637.[2]

First Settlement; Residency in Duxbury and Braintree

The first record of John in New England is a record from the Court of Assistants on October 2, 1637 of the grant to John Carew of 10 acres of land next to the lands granted to Robert Mendall.[2] Neither that record, nor any of the other early Plymouth Colony records, however, provide information to establish where in the Colony the 1637 grant was located or where in the Plymouth Colony John initially settled.

The fact that John recorded in the first book of the Bridgewater town records that his first child was born in Duxbury in 1645[19]establishes that he was a resident there by that date. Savage stated that he settled in Duxbury in 1637,[1] which would mean that his original grant of land was in Duxbury. The claim that the 1637 grant of land was in Duxbury is also made in John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim.[20] Nahum Mitchell, on the other hand, stated that he settled in Duxbury as early as 1639.[3] Unfortunately neither Savage, Mitchell nor the author of John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim provide any supporting evidence or explanation for their assertions.

John and his family appear to have moved from Duxbury to Braintree, Massachusetts Bay Colony (about 20 miles northwest of Duxbury) sometime between 1649 and 1652, based on John's entries in the first book of the Bridgewater town records that suggest that his daughter Elizabeth was born in Duxbury in December 1649 and that state that his son James was born in Braintree in March 1652.[19] The reason for their move to Braintree is unclear, although John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim suggests that it was quite likely "on account of some stress of the times."[20] They appear to have lived in Braintree for at most 5 years (and perhaps considerably less), as John's entry in the first book of the Bridgewater town records for the birth of his daughter Mary in June 1654 states that she was born in Bridgewater (technically, Duxbury New Plantation, as Bridgewater wasn't formed until 1656). [21]

There is no record of John holding any public offices prior to moving to Bridgewater.

Marriage; Only 1 Wife?

Secondary sources consistently show that John married Elizabeth Godfrey in June 1644 and indicate that she was his only wife.[22][3][5] However, the almost 27-year gap between John's marriage in June 1644 and the birth of his last child in February 1670/1 means that, if John only had one wife, she would have to have been only about 18 when she had gotten married and about 45 when her last child was born (or about 17 and about 44, etc.). This suggests that it should be suspected that he had multiple wives. Apart form the 27-year date span, however, the evidence is consistent with the proposition that John Cary had only one wife: Elizabeth Godfrey. A Plymouth Colony Court record establishes that John Cary married a woman named Elizabeth in June 1644.[23] From Francis Godfrey's November 1666/7 will, it is established that John was married to Elizabeth Godfrey at that time, as it refers to refers to "my daughter Elizabeth Cary" and "my son-in-law John Carye Senior." [24] Francis Godfrey's will also included bequests to John Cary's two oldest children of John Cary (John and Elizabeth), which he called his grandchildren.[24] These bequests strongly suggest that Elizabeth Godfrey was the mother of John Cary's oldest children, which supports the proposition that Elizabeth Godfrey was the Elizabeth that John married in June 1644. In addition, the record of the death of John Cary's wife in 1680 states that her first name was Elizabeth,[25] which is consistent with the proposition that she was Elizabeth Godfrey. Therefore, while the almost 27-year gap between his marriage in June 1644 and the February 1670/1 date of birth of his last child suggests the possibility (if not the probability) that he had multiple wives, the other available evidence is consistent with the proposition Elizabeth Godfrey was his only wife.

Torrey suggests that John Cary and Elizabeth Godfrey were probably married in either Duxbury or Braintree.[22] Of the two, Duxbury seems much more likely, since John Cary and Francis Godfrey both probably lived in Duxbury at the time and John's first child was born there.

Children

John and (presumably) Elizabeth had the following children:

  1. John, b. November 4, 1645 at Duxbury, m. 1st December 7, 1670 Abigail Penniman at Bridgewater, d. 1721 at Bristol (see sources in John Jr's profile)
  2. Francis, b. January 19, 1646/7 or January 19, 1647/8 probably at Duxbury, m. about 1676 Lydia Brett at Bridgewater, d. September 6, 1727 at Bridgewater (see sources in Francis's profile)
  3. Elizabeth, b. December 20, 1649,[19] m. William Britt[26]
  4. James, b. March 28,1652 at Braintree,[19] m. January 4, 1681 Mary Shaw at Bridgewater,[27][26] d. 1706 at Bristol[26]
  5. Mary, b. July 8, 1654 at Duxbury New Plantation (incorporated as the town of Bridgewater in June 1656)[21]
  6. Jonathan, b. September 24, 1656 at Bridgewater, m. about 1687 Sarah Allen at Bridgewater, d. 1695 at Bridgewater (see sources in Jonathan's profile)
  7. David, b. January 27, 1658/9 at Bridgewater,[19] m. Elizabeth ______,[26] d. 1718 at Bristol[26]
  8. Hannah, b. April 30, 1661 at Bridgewater[19]
  9. Joseph, b. April 18, 1663 at Bridgewater,[19] m. 1st Hannah ______,[28] m. 2d Mercy Rudd,[28] d. January 10, 1722[28]
  10. Rebecca, b. March 30, 1665, at Bridgewater,[19] m. 1685 Samuel Allen[29]
  11. Sarah, b. August 2, 1667 at Bridgewater[30]
  12. Mehitable, b. February 24, 1670/1 ("the twenty-fourth of the last month, 1670") at Bridgewater,[30] m.1st December 18, 1689 Elisha Adams at Bristol,[29] m. 2d Miles Standish at Bristol[29]

Residency in Bridgewater

In 1645 the Plymouth Colony General Court granted the inhabitants of Duxbury lands to the west of the town for a new plantation.[31] The land was purchased from the Indians by a deed dated 1649 and allocated among 56 original proprietors, which included John Cary.[32] John was one of only 16 proprietors who actually settled in the new Duxbury plantation.[33][34] John and his family moved there by June 1654, as shown by the fact that his daughter Mary was born there.[19] The Duxbury new plantation was incorporated as the town of Bridgewater in 1656.[21] John was one of only 10 original freemen of the town.[35][36] He was appointed as the first constable of the town in 1656[37] and was the only town officer chosen that year.[36] John was also chosen as the first town clerk, an office he held until his death.[33]

Will; Death; Estate

John Cary made his will on October 15 of some year. The corner of the page where the year was written is torn off, but based on the fact that he added a codicil on October 31, 1681, he probably initially made his will on October 15, 1681. In his will, he mentions his eldest son John, sons Francis, James, Jonathan, David and Joseph, Francis, James, Jonathan and Joseph, eldest daughters Elizabeth and Mary (eldest daughters), and younger daughters Hannah, Rebecca, Sarah, and Mahetabell. He named his wife his sole executrix and appointed his John to assist her. He added a codicil dated October 31, 1681 in which he increased the bequest of land to his son James. He signed his will "John Cary Senir." The will was witnessed by Thomas Hayward and Joseph Hayward.[38]

The inventory of John Cary's estate was taken by Lt. Hayward and Ensign Hayward on November 4, 1681.[38]

The first Bridgewater town record book contains an entry that states "John Carey senior, inhabytant in the town of Bridgewater deceased the last day of October in the year of our Lord 1680."[25] John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim, however, states that the record of his death says "John Cary Seniour inhabytant in the town of Bridgewater deceased the last day of october in the yeare of our lord 1681."[39] Vital Records of Bridgewater Massachusetts, to the Year 1850 indicates that October 31, 1680 is the date that was in the original records, but also indicates that someone later added the following text to the record book: "John Cary's death according to the record . . . must be a mistake, . . . his death was probably in 1681."[40] Based on the fact that he added a codicil to his will on October 31, 1681 and the inventory of his estate was taken on November 4, 1681, he definitely did not die in 1680 and very probably died on October 31, 1681.

Letters of administration with respect John's estate were granted by the Plymouth Court held on March 7, 1681/2 to his son, Sergeant John Cary.[41]

Burial; Memorial Monuments

John's FindAGrave memorial page states that he was buried in the Old Graveyard, which is located in what-is-now East Bridgewater. [42] However, that is incorrect. As The Cary Family in America notes, the Old Graveyard was not opened until 1683, two years after John's burial. According to The Cary Family in America, John was buried in the first Bridgewater cemetery, which had no monuments or inscribed gravestones, was neglected after the Old Graveyard opened, became covered with earth, and ended up under a farm field and a road. [43]

There is a cenotaph for John and certain of his descendants in Ashland Cemetery in what-is-now Brockton, Massachusetts,[44] as well as a memorial monument to him near his homestead (an image of which is attached to this profile) in what-is-now West Bridgewater, Massachusetts which was erected by some of his descendants.[42]

Early Plymouth Colony Records

Set forth below are all the Plymouth Colony records prior to 1662 that relate to John that are contained in Shurtleff's Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England:

  • At the Court of Assistants of the Plymouth Colony on October 2, 1637, "A proporcon of land is granted to John Carew, about of the lands graunted to Robte Mendall, contayneing x acrees."[45]
  • At the Court of Assistants of the Plymouth Colony on January 7, 1638/9, "Jonathan Bewster & Willm Basset are appoynted to lay forth Robte Mendloves & John Carews land, and the garden place for John Rowe."[46]
  • At the Court of Assistants of the Plymouth Colony on October 7, 1639, "John Carew is allowed to be for himself upon the continuance of the good report of his carriage & demeanr; & at a Court of Assistants held the fourth of November next after, Edmond Weston is lycenced to live with John Carew,& to be partner with him in workeing and planting upon the sd John Carews land, upon their good demeanr together."[47][47]
  • At the Court of Assistants of the Plymouth Colony on November 6, 1644, "John Carew and Elizabeth _____ marryed the ____ June, 1644."[23]
  • At the General Court of the Plymouth Colony on June 3, 1656, "The Cunstables of the severall Townes. . . . Bridgewater, John Carrew."[37]
  • 1657 list of names of those who have taken the Oath of Fidelitie at Duxborrow, in the Yeare 1657 includes "John Carew."[35]
  • At the Court of Election of the Plymouth Colony on June 1, 1658, a list of men admitted as freemen of the Colony included "John Carre"[48]
  • List of freeman in the various townships of the Plymouth Colony made in about 1658 lists the following 10 men for Bridgewater: William Britt, William Basset Sr, Thomas Haward Sr, John Willis, Samuel Tompkins, Ensign Josias Standish, John Carre, Lawrance Willis, Thomas Haward Jr and Arther Harris[35].
  • At the General Court of the Plymouth Colony on March 1, 1658/9, John Carew was listed as among 14 men from Bridgewater who examined the body of a drowned Englishman whose body was found by Indians.[49]
  • At the General Court of Plymouth Colony on June 4, 1661, "John Carye is admitted by the Court to have equall enterest in the graunt made to Arther Harris, John Willis, and others, of Bridgewater, for accomodation of lands."[50]

Sources

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  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 See "Early Plymouth Court Records" in this profile.
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Nahum Mitchell, "History of the Early Settlement of Bridgewater in Plymouth County, Massachusetts," 1840, p 130
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  44. Find A Grave: Memorial #65447819
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  47. 47.0 47.1 Shurtleff, Nathaniel B., Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, Court Orders, Vol. I, 1633-1640, 1855, pp 135-6
  48. Shurtleff, Nathaniel B., Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, Court Orders, Vol. III, 1633-1640, 1855, p 136
  49. Shurtleff, Nathaniel B., Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, Court Orders, Vol. III, 1633-1640, 1855, p 160
  50. Shurtleff, Nathaniel B., Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England, Court Orders, Vol. III, 1633-1640, 1855, p 216

See also:

  • Vital Records of East Bridgewater, Massachusetts to the Year 1850, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1917, p 181. Link to page at archive.org. (The note to the entry indicates that the information about their marriage was from a private record, from a copy made by Judge Nahum Mitchell of records of the First Church of East Bridgewater, with additions and corrections by the copyist.)
  • McHenry County, Illinois Town Histories




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Not sure if this helps but there is carew family tree in the visitations of cornwall. in which a Sir John Carew died. Sir John Carew of Crowcombe, Somerset page 71

posted by Matthew Martin
I think that is the same Sir John Carew who is discussed under Disputed Parentage.
posted by Chase Ashley
Cary-535 and Cary-78 appear to represent the same person because: Both are clearly the same man, Cary-78 profile seems to have all the relevant info and sources so the text from that profile can be kept instead of 535.
posted by Brad Stauf
Profile of immigrant John Cary is badly mangled. The problem is possibly traced to the profile of supposed father in law, Francis Godfrey.

Godfrey's profile reports his birth 1540--he can not be that of immigrant John Cary's father in law. Cary's father in law left a will written in the colonies in 1666. See "Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories," Mayflower Descendant, 17 (1915):155-56; digital images, Hathi Trust

Have posted a comment on Francis Godfrey to learn whether the profile manager would prefer to just sever Godfrey's daughter Elizabeth (who is John Cary's wife), or re-populate Francis Godfrey so that the profile is about the man who wrote the 1666 will.

In any case, the profile of John Cary and his wife, Elizabeth Godfrey require an extensive update. Secondary sources report John Cary and Elizabeth Godfrey married June 1644 at Bridgewater (now Duxbury), Plymouth Colony. (I did not find an overview of this marriage in New England Marriages to 1700.)

posted on Cary-535 (merged) by GeneJ X
starting to work on it, may be some good stuff in Shurtleff
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Francis Godfrey in New England Marriages prior to 1700 (2015); 1:626; database and digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.

Godfrey-_____ ca 1626 or ca 1629 marriage, at England; he is Francis Godfrey (-1669), she is Elizabeth _____; residences as Duxbury/Bridgewater. Works consulted as "Bridgewater 168; Seeley-Vail 106; Hull 271; Fulton Anc. 449; Cary Anc. 82; Bangs 314 Chart; Brett 52; Reg. 7:179; Agar Anc. 5; MD 17:155."

posted on Cary-535 (merged) by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
I can't tell you if there's anything to help this particular group, but there were 2 NEHGR articles about the Godfreys:
  • Helen Schatvet Ullmann, "Richard(1) Godfrey of Taunton, MA, and his Children and Grandchldren," NEHGR Vol. 162 (July-Oct. 2008)
  • Elizabeth Pearson White, "The Godfreys of Chatham, Mass.," NEHGR Vol. 126 (Oct 1972)
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Thanks Gene & Bobbetta, I've found a fair amount in Shurtleff so far including proof of some of his children. Nothing conclusive on his birth year yet or origins but at least I was able to prune the garbage. So Elizabeth was probably daughter of "A" Francis Godfrey, I haven't had a chance to look for a will or anything that would list her as Carey/Carew, that would be handy.
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Brad Stauf
Francis Godfrey's will was published. See "Plymouth Colony Wills and Inventories," Mayflower Descendant, 17 (1915):155-56; digital images, Hathi Trust
To my Daughter Elizabeth Cary ...

Edited to add,

(1) Intro to George Earnest Bowman, "The Vital Records of Bridgewater, Mass.," Mayflower Descendant, 2 (1900):90; digital images, Hathi Trust, "Bridgewater was originally part of Duxbury, and was incorporated as a separate town 3 June 1656. The first town clerk was John Cary, who kept the records for twenty-five years ..."

The first entries begin with a listing of Cary children. Some are the children of "John Cary Junior" (gives Junior's marriage date), then, on the next page, "The Day And Birth & yeare of John (Cary's) Children ....

(Gotta love first hand information.)

(2) Odd that Sr. doesn't seem to appear in New England Marriages ..., but I suspect Junior does appear (1645-1721), see database and digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors

posted on Cary-535 (merged) by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Thanks for doing the legwork, I'll add some to this profile and to Elizabeth. I don't know if there is a correct profile for her father Francis created yet or if the current one who was supposedly born in 1540 was a real person as well (point being I'd rather correct that profile than create a whole new one). Barring the possibility that he was 126 years old when he wrote his will...I'll look into it.
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Brad Stauf
If you study the hand writing. That Hohn Cary hrs name is a G not a C

I have a John Gary jr. In Bridgewater with the same children listed. John Gary Jr. his name of John Gary is in the book several times. As you said first hand information is wonderful. If you check out the C s and compare the G s it’s Gary not Cary and there are more than one writer in the first 20 or so pages. Cary and a Allen

posted by M. Gary
Do you see the name John Gary in John Cary Image 3 that you uploaded? I see John Cary's name two lines below the (22), but I didn't notice the name John Gary anywhere in the image. Btw, for anyone interested in looking at a higher resolution image, here's the link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G979-HBD?i=15&wc=Q4DC-3Y9%3A353350201%2C353501601%2C353504901&cc=2061550
posted by Chase Ashley
edited by Chase Ashley
John Gary married Mary pointing January 1 1628 in bishops stortford Hereford shire England marriage place saint michaels bishop stortford Hereford England.

John Gary jr. NOT JOHN Cary is listed as a landholder in the Bridgwater Massachusetts book he is named several times in the book as John Gary he has 10 children they are all listed on page 9 of the bridgewater book these are also the same children you have listed for John Cary they are not Cary’s they are Gary’s.

posted by M. Gary
Hi M Gary,

Thank you.

You wrote, "John Gary jr. NOT JOHN Cary is listed as a landholder in the Bridgwater Massachusetts ..." Are you able to compile screen shots of the relevant images, so that might all be able to look at the same handwritten materials? If we could post the images to a free-space-page, those might be the reference point for a G2G question regarding the surname as Cary / Gary.

Then separately, are there historical records that would associate John Gary (married Mary Pointing) of Bishops Stortford, Herefordshire, England, with or as the John who was later know of Bridgewater, Plymouth Colony?

posted by GeneJ X
Here's the link to the list of children in the Bridgewater town records. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9979-H19?i=8&wc=Q4DC-3Y9%3A353350201%2C353501601%2C353504901&cc=2061550 See left page. Very clearly a C not a G. The C in Cary is the same as the C in Children above it and the C of Country and the C of Court on the right-hand page. The G in Grant on the right-hand page is clearly different from the C in Cary. Since John Cary was the town clerk, I assume he knew how to spell his name. So Cary, not Gary.
posted by Chase Ashley
edited by Chase Ashley
Thank you, Chase.

I too read that as "C."

See separately, Charles Knowles Bolton, "Colonial Handwriting," Essex Antiquarian, 1 (1897):175-176 at 175; digital images, Hathi Trust.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
This profile is confused with Cary-78. Please do not merge with Cary-78. They are not the same John Cary (Carey).
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Leslie Cary
As Jillaine says below, this profile's citations need improvement.

There is only one Jon Carew (Cary) in The Great Migration Directory. p. 56. who migrated 1637 from Unknown place to Duxbury, Braintree, Bridgewater.

PCR 1:67, 135; 2:79; 8:182, 202. MD 2:90-91, 17:155-56; TAG 78:187-95; Seth C. Cary, "John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim" (Boston 1911) key to titles: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Sources-GMB

Perhaps checking these sources will help to distinguish whether Cary-78 & -535 are the same or different.

posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
edited by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Cary-402 and Cary-78 appear to represent the same person because: This merge was rejected a couple of years ago, but these profiles seem to be for the same person.
posted by M Cole
Agreed [filler for 30 character minimum]
posted by Chase Ashley
I agree also. -402 has only sources Ancestry Trees and FAG. The problem may be with the blackened comment at the top of this profile... "Do not merge...... etc."

Try the merge once again, M. , it can surely be considered "discussed."

I removed the image of the family crest from "Cary Memorials". There were a multitude of different family crests for Carew, Cary, etc. See Burk's "Encyclopaedia of Heraldry" Link to Carew/Carey page Link to Cary page. The one used in "Cary Memorials" is the coat of arms for Cary of Devonshire, descended from Adam de Karry of Castle Karry, Somerset and Sir William Cary of Cockington. Since the origin and ancestry of this profile's John Cary/Carew has not been determined, there is no reason to believe that he was entitled to, or did, use that or any other coat of arms.
posted by Chase Ashley
edited by Chase Ashley
I should have looked deeper in the first place. Joseph's page shows his wife as Mercy Bushnell. Thx
posted by Janice Sutherland
Janice - Re son Joseph's 2d wife, Mercy Rudd - I just relied on "john Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim". Going down into sources for children's 2d wive's maiden names was out of scope for this profile. Probably best to upgrade Joseph's profile with full build-out and inline sourcing and then we can cross-reference it from this one for Joseph's info, per what has been done for John, Francis and Jonathan.
posted by Chase Ashley
Did you discount the maiden name of son Joseph's wife being Mary/Mercy Bushnell? The Barbour Collection shows Mary Bushnell marrying Johnathan Rudd 1678 in Franklin, CT. Also a Johnathan Rudd of Saybrook. marrying Marcy Bushnell.
posted by Janice Sutherland
I don't favor adding "De Carew" or "De Cary" as an Other Last Name unless there is a record that shows that that surname variation was actually used for him in his lifetime. I think most of those "De " surnames went out of use before John Carew/Cary's time.
posted by Chase Ashley
Probably most likely his family surname in England around the time of his birth was spelled Carew rather than Cary. So LNAB should probably technically be Carew. But since there is not direct evidence as to how it was spelled and all the secondary sources refer to him as Cary, I don't feel too strongly about it.
posted by Chase Ashley
And while I'm here, given what's described in the narrative, it looks like his last name at birth should be Carew and current last name Cary. Yes?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Darrell, what sources indicate that "De Cary" was used by this family during this man's lifetime?
posted by Jillaine Smith
I think it was in the Petition itself. and that it was meant to include all who can trace back to de Kari roots from Wales, I did not say that John used this spelling. I was just bringing up that the Carey Coat of Arms was consolidated in 1699 after Johns death.
posted by Darrell Gabbard II
edited by Darrell Gabbard II
I also read where the COA was adopted in 1699 by the Cary's of Somerset through a petition and approved by the head of the Devonshire Cary's. and the aka last name spelling should include De Cary
posted by Darrell Gabbard II
I would also check the Y dna to the descendants of Sir Thomas Stafford and see if there is a match. George Carew 1st Earl of Totnes B 1555 d 1629 did not have any legitimate children and if there might be 1 illegitimate there could be more.
posted by Darrell Gabbard II
I think the Ydna testing should start checking the Carews of Pembrokeshire Wales then, and the decendants of Sir John De Carew b1283 d1324. also check out the Cary's, Carews if any around Crowcombe, Bridgewater, Somersetshire,U.K., someone had to be influential in naming the town of Bridgewater, Mass. and Pembrokeshire is on the other side of the Bristol Channel
posted by Darrell Gabbard II
Flagging for profile managers and PGM volunteers: this profile's source citations need improvement. Anyone want to take this on? Many thanks!
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
This person should not exist, both parents are dead prior to his birth. Spring Clean a thon 2017, thanks, Mark
posted on Cary-402 (merged) by Mark Cary
Hi Chris,

John is clearly not the son of the parents shown, as he was born before both of them. He needs to be disconnected. Thanks, Vic

posted on Cary-402 (merged) by Vic Watt
It appears that John, the son of William and Alice Goodale was born in 1583 and in 1661 in Bristol, ENGLAND. That John is already included in the children of William. The John in this profile cannot have been the son of William, due to his age. For this reason, I am disconnecting him from the current parents, William and Alice. I also believe that his birth year is much too early, as the rest of the profile appears to refer to someone born much later, but I am not changing it until I identify the person in the rest of the profile.
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Vic Watt
This one has been an open Window on my desktop for a couple of days. I'll look a serious at it.
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Vic Watt
Does Cary have a Great Migration profile? I'm super busy with other work and can't work on this now, but yeah, the parents are wrong. OR John Carey's birth is wrong. If he was an immigrant, he's more likely to have been born in the 1580s. Clearly more work needed.
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Jillaine Smith
John Carey is much to old to be a son of William, as William would only have been 7 when John was born. I will do minor clean up on John's profile, but what should we do with him? Does someone have research showing who his father is?
posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Vic Watt
Greetings Mary,

Mary Llewellyn was Williams second wife. I think John was the son of William and Elizabeth Goodale.

These Cary's are a confusing bunch!!!

Allan

Welcome aboard!

posted on Cary-535 (merged) by Allan Harl Thomas (1951-2021)