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Aelis (Chalon) de Mâcon (abt. 985 - abt. 1020)

Aelis "Adelheid" de Mâcon formerly Chalon aka de Chalon
Born about [location unknown]
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
Sister of [half], , , [half] and [half]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Mother of
Died about at about age 35 [location unknown]
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Disambiguation

The following are two different persons, who have sometimes been confused.

  • Aelis of Châlon, daughter of Lambert, Count of Châlon,
  • Adele of Meaux (aka "Adele of Vermandois").


Married Gui de Bourgogne.

Death

1020 [1]

Sources

  1. ↑

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Note: ref: Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org) (21 Apr 10) -

Acknowledgements

  • WikiTree profile V.Chalon-2 created through the import of Spencer Family Tree 4 2002.GED on Nov 28, 2011 by Chet Spencer.




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Shelley Freestone
There is no known direct evidence for the identity of the wife of Guy and mother of Otto, count of Mâcon. However, there are three different conjectures which have arisen regarding her identity.

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posted by Shelley Freestone
Atkinson-107 John Atkinson
See the discussion on The Henry Project (scroll down to Question 2) which suggests there is no certainty about who was his wife.

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/gerbe002.htm

The article about Otto Guillaume, states that he became Count of Macon through marriage with Ermentrude, the widow of Aubry II http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/otwil000.htm

posted by John Atkinson
Shelley Freestone
FMG does not give her a first name, just - de Chalons.
posted by Shelley Freestone
Atkinson-107 John Atkinson
I think for the moment don't recreate Alix, wait until Guy's profile has been updated some more, and we can mention her on there. Perhaps we can see if it is worth recreating her after that.
posted by John Atkinson
Shelley Freestone
Do I create Alix again? Is it agreed that it is an equally good assumption, or, do we rename Aelise as uncertain?
posted by Shelley Freestone
Atkinson-107 John Atkinson
These profiles should never have been merged, because they represent 2 different women, who are both proposed as the wife of Guy de Bourgogne. Guy's wife is never mentioned in the sources and there are various theories as to whom he may have married.
posted by John Atkinson
Shelley Freestone
Lambert of Chalons could not have been Alice's father according to birth dates this is the more likely wife of Guy. He received the Macon appanage from his wife. See Otto WIlliam and the descent of the house of Macon. Info from this website is dedicated to Burgundy only and has many primary sources. I feel FMG is incorrect here and would like to open up discussion about this
posted by Shelley Freestone
Atkinson-107 John Atkinson
Shelley can you please not create pre-1500 profiles using dubious sources such as this website; it is not suitable as a source and doesn't even mention this person. Gui's wife is not known for sure, and unless you have better sources to prove otherwise.
posted by John Atkinson
Shelley Freestone
http://gilles.maillet.free.fr/histoire/genealogie_bourgogne/comte_macon.htm
posted by Shelley Freestone

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