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Unknown (Clare) de Quincy (abt. 1156 - abt. 1203)

Unknown de Quincy formerly Clare
Born about in Wexford, Irelandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and [mother unknown]
Wife of — married about 1170 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 47 in Northamptonshire, Englandmap
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Biography

A daughter of Richard "Strongbow" Fitz Gilbert, 2nd Earl of Pembroke, married Robert de Quincy, Constable of Leinster[1] in 1171. Their daughter, Maud, was born a year or two later.[2][3]

Research Notes

Name: Richardson lists two daughters of Richard Fitz Gilbert by an "unknown wife or mistress": _____ de Clare (who married Robert de Quincy) and Aline de Clare, who married William Fitz Maurice.[1] He does not call her "Basilia" (or any variation). He does name a Basilia de Clare,[4] but she is the aunt of the woman represented by this profile.

Wikipedia calls her illegitimate and names her Basilia.[5]

Husband: Richardson and Wikipedia list only one husaband for her: Robert de Quincy (Quenci in Wikipedia).[2][5]

It appears that online trees give her additional husbands - her aunt's, who married twice: (1) in 1174 to Raymond Fitz William, who died in 1186; (2) Geoffrey Fitz Robert, as his first wife.[4][6] (WikiTree's profile for her first husband is misnamed, calling him "FitzGerald".)
A Rootsweb entry for "Basile de Clare" is an example:[7]
  1. Robert de Quincy
  2. Raymon FitzWilliam Carew "on AFT 1172"
  3. Geoffrey FitzRobert "on AFT 1188"
Another online tree had similar extra husbands and gives a date for her first marriage:
  1. Robert de Quincy in Leinster, 1169
  2. Raymond Fitzgerald in 1174
  3. Geoffrey Fitzrobert in 1188

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), volume IV, page 339 PEMBROKE 4.
  2. 2.0 2.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), volume IV, pages 429-432 PRENDERGAST.
  3. Maud's parents were married in 1171, per "Regan’s "Song of Dermot and the Earl", from Richard FitzGilbert de Clare's entry in Cawley's Medieval Lands (accessed 2 July 2018). See entry for specific source citations.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), volume IV, page 337 PEMBROKE 3.ii.
  5. 5.0 5.1 From her father's Wikipedia page. The entry for her (and her sister Aline) cited Cokayne, but the citation does not mention them. Cokayne's information is cited to support that they were illegitimate: "That both she and her unnamed sister were illegitimate is indicated by the fact that neither inherited anything from their father's great holdings. See: Cokayne, CP, X, Appendix H, 103".
    • George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage; or, A History of the House of Lords and All its Members from the Earliest Times, Vol. X, eds. H. A. Doubleday; Geoffrey H. White; & Howard de Walden (London: The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., 1945), Appendix H, p. 103
  6. See also Cawley's entry for Gilbert Clare (accessed 4 August 2019).
  7. Rootsweb tree: Entry for Basile de Clare, citing a 25 February 2000 posting by Douglas Richardson. NB: This posting should not be considered more reliable than Richardson's Royal Ancestry, published in 2013.
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
  • Cawley, Charles. "Medieval Lands": A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families © by Charles Cawley, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG). See also WikiTree's source page for MedLands.
  • See also sources in her father's profile.




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I detached the incorrect Robert de Quincy and created a profile for the correct one.
Darlene, in this profile Basilia Clare appears as married to Robert Quincy (Quincy-311). But Maud Quincy (Quincy-237) appears as daughter of her with another Robert Quincy (Quincy-78).

Is that correct?

posted by Jorge Gubbins
I've corrected the issue, Jorge. Thanks.
In March 2000, Douglas Richardson posted on Gen-Medieval: "Basile de Clare's husband was Raymond Fitz William. He was the son of William de Carew, ancestor of the well known Carew family. He was never known as Fitz Gerald." Here's the thread for the discussion: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/quincy$20clare%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/4EZx_KprYBQ/iq-kqZp99joJ

I've detached Raymond FitzGerald. Shall we create a profile for Raymond son of William de Carew?

fmg entry for her as daughter of Richard:

c) daughter . Regan’s "Song of Dermot and the Earl" records that "Richard the renowned earl went to the city of Ferns" and "married his daughter to Robert de Quency"[1478]. m (1171) ROBERT de Quenci Constable of Leinster, son of --- (-killed in battle Offaly 1171 or after).

see Richard's fmg entry

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
fmg/MedLands shows Richard Strongbow's SISTER Basilia married Raymond

FitzGerald in 1174 and maybe married (2) Geoffrey FitzRobert (-1211).

Richardson shows Richard's unnamed daughter married Robert de Quincy. (See Richard's profile.)

But the timing does make it seem that it could have been the same woman who married all three. MedLands shows that Robert de Quenci who married Richard's unnamed daughter was "killed in battle Offaly 1171 or later".

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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