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Adelisa Beauvais (Clermont) de Montmorency (abt. 1065 - aft. 1124)

Adelisa Beauvais (Adeliza) "Alice" de Montmorency formerly Clermont aka de Clare, de Clermont
Born about in Picardy, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married before 1089 in Kentmap
Wife of — married about 1124 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 59 in Clare, Suffolk, Englandmap
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Biography

Adelisa de Clermont (1065 - aft. 1117)

Alias: Adeliza de Clermont[1][2][3]

Early Life

p. Hugh de Clermont and Marguerite de Montdidier m. abt 1065 Picardy, France[4]

Family

m. Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare. Issue:
  • Gilbert "Strongbow" de Clare[5][6]


(Adeliza, Adelaide) de Clermont m. Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare, Earl of Clare (b. c.1066 - 1114 /17). Issue:

· Baldwin FitzGilbert de Clare, Lord of Bourne

· Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, mentioned next.

· Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke.

· Alice de Clare who married Aubrey de Vere, Justicar of England.

· Rohese de Clare



m.1 Alfbert FitzRichard de Clare (b.1066 Clare). Issue:

  • Baldwin FitzGilbert de Clare (b.1088 Lincolnshire)

m.2 Gilbert de Clare (b. anti 1070 France). Issue:

  • Richard DE CLARE (b: 1090 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire)
  • Gilbert DE CLARE b: 21 Sep 1100
  • Baldwin FitzGilbert de Clare (b. abt 1088 Bourne, Lincolnshire)
  • Adelize FitzGilbert de Clare (b.1080-1092 Tunbridge, Kent)
  • Rohesia DE CLARE b: 1092 in Tunbridge Castle, Kent
  • Hawise DE CLARE b: Abt 1099 Kent
  • Agnes DE CLARE b: Abt 1091 in Tonbridge, Kent
  • Margaret FITZ GILBERT DE CLARE
  • Hervey WALTER DE CLARE b: Abt 1086-1111 Clare, Suffolk


Research Notes

Comment on profile as of 20 October 2023 without further discussion: "Some sources also cite a marriage to Bouchard de Montmorency, III de Seigneur (1064-1124), but no timing is given (and both were pretty well occupied with their existing families), nor issue stated."

The wikidata entry for "Alice de Clermont", daughter of Hugh, citing thepeerage.com, lists both Gilbert and Bouchard as her husbands (m Gilbert in 1083 & Bouchard in 1117), with Hervey, son of Bouchard,[7] born in 1130.[8]

Douglas Richardson's entry for Gilbert fitz Richard ("also styled de Clare"), lists his widow's marriage to Bouchard as before 1123 and that they had one son - Hervé de Montmorency.[9]

From his Dictionary of Irish Biography article:

"Montmorency, Hervey de (a. 1130–p. 1185), son of Bouchard de Montmorency and his wife Adeliza.... by 1169 had come to England and entered the service of his nephew Richard de Clare (qv) (Strongbow), earl of Strigoil."[8]

He was uncle of Isabel & Gilbert's son Richard by way of Adeliza (Alice) Clermont - mother of both Gilbert and Hervey.[9]

Sources

  1. Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650 Abbreviation: Ancestral Roots, 6th ed. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1988
  2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Edition: 7th ed. Abbreviation: Ancestral Roots, 7th ed. Author: Weis, Frederick Lewis, Editor: Sheppard Jr., Walter Lee Publication: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1992
  3. Jones, Winona Stevens,. Our royal ancestors. Lexington, Ky.,: Transylvania Print. Co., 1971.
  4. Becky Bierbrodt fitzrandtocharlemange.FTW;
    father, Hugh Count of Clermont. Note from 'The Thomas Book': Renaud Count of Clermont in Beauvaisis, living in 1087, had a son Hugues, md. Marguerite de Roucy, dau. of Hilduin, Count of Montdidier, & Alix, Countess de Roucy, & had a son Renaud, & dau. Adeliza (the one this is written for);
    Hugh DE CLERMONT b: abt 1030 Clermont, Oise, France
    Margaret MARGUERITE DE MONTDIDIER b: 1048 Montdidier, Somme, France
  5. MEDLANDS: GILBERT de Clare "Strongbow", son of GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare & his wife Adelisa de Clermont (1100 [CP X 348] - 6 Jan 1148 or 1149, bur Tintern Abbey).
    Guillaume de Jumièges names "Richardum qui ei successit et Gislebertum et Walterium et unam filiam...Rohais” as the children of “Gislebertus ex filia comitis de Claromonte”.
    The Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi, Ricard fili[us] eius…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi, Comes Gilbt, Galteri…filii sui…"
    “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property to Thorney Monastery, by undated charter witnessed by “Gilberto filio Gilberti, Galterio, Hervæo, Baldwino fratribus eius et Rohaisia sorore eorum”.
    He inherited the estates of his paternal uncles Roger de Clare (after 1131, in the baronies of Bienfaite and Orbec, Normandy) and Walter de Clare (in 1138, as lord of Nether Gwent with the castle of Strigoil, later known as Chepstow). He was created Earl of Pembroke in 1138 by King Stephen. The Annales Cambriæ record the death in 1149 of "Gilbertus comes, qui Strangboga dictus est"[1444].
  6. Gilbert aka “Strongbow”, but his son Richard is better remembered by this name. He was born circa 1100 and died on January 6, 1147. Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare m. Isabel (Elizabeth) de Beaumont
  7. Wikidata: Item Q18669672 help.gif for Alice de Clermont (accessed 20 October 2023).
  8. 8.0 8.1 Dictionary of Irish Biography: Hervey de Montmorency, contributed by David Beresford (accessed 20 October 2023).
  9. 9.0 9.1 Royal Ancestry, 2013, Douglas Richardson Vol. II. p. 172.

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WikiTree says she is my 24x-gr-grand, so I adopted her orphaned profile.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Picardie did not become a French province in 1477, Should it actually be Picardie, Duchy of Normandy?
posted by Sara Rice
I removed the 2nd spouse due to date conflicts as well as conflicting source information, then thought better of it and restored the spouse and the date. I left the additional few years added to the end of her life to allow for the marriage. Sorry for any confusion and/or inconvenience.
posted by Stephanie Ward
Both the ODNB [1] and the Dictionary of Irish Biography [2] in their articles on Hervey de Montmorency say that Alice was first married to Gilbert de Clare and then to Bourchard de Montmorency; so that Hervey was a kinsman (they say uncle, but from the tree the accurate relation would be great-uncle) to Richard "Strongbow" de Clare (Clare-645)

But you're right, the dates do seem a bit strained. Gilbert de Clare (Clare-14) lived until about 1114 according to his entry here, 1117 according to the ODNB, So Hervey would have to be born after that. But if she was also the mother of Baldwin de Clare (b. 1089), that's quite a gap. It's not quite impossible, but she would have had to have got married very very young (or she wasn't the mother of Baldwin, but married Gilbert de Clare later; or she wasn't the mother of Hervey).

On the other hand, two of the sources quoted under Clare-14 say that Gilbert only married her in 1113; one then says that she married an Aubrey II de Vere, who lived until 1141, before she then married a de Montmorency. (Although any de Vere connection presumably is a confusion with Clare-21)

It does seem there's some unpicking to be done here; but I have no idea what ought to give.

posted by James Heald
edited by James Heald
Quite a lengthy thread from soc.gen.medieval [1] apparently confirming that Alice was indeed married first to Gilbert de Clare, and then to Bourchard de Montmorency, based on the Liber Vitae of Thorney Abbey.

Presumably this was also the basis for any material in Douglas Richardson's 2013 book.

posted by James Heald
WikiTree requests a modification be made as marriage date is after death date.
posted by Stuart Awbrey

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