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David Clounch

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David L. Clounch aka Clounch
Born 1950s.
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Brother of [private brother (1940s - unknown)] [half] and [private sister (1940s - unknown)] [half]
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Hello David,

During the winter, the Nordic Project performed check-ins, sent as a private message from your profile. You are one of those members who has not replied, and this is a last chance to get in touch and let me know if you like to continue as member in the Nordic Project.

Please answer this comment, and get in touch by sending me a private message. If we have not heard from you within a month you will be removed from the Nordic google group and your badge will be removed.

If you have not received any check-in emails, you might want to check that your email adress for WikiTree is one you actually still use.

Thank you!

Missy Berryann Co-Leader, Nordic Project

posted by Missy Berryann
Second Comparison - Mom and I both Matched this kit. I manage her kit.

Comparing Kit NH3789809 (Richard Hellstrom) [Ancestry] and T630373 (*McCarty 06) [Migration - F2 - F] Total cM: 10.16 Largest segment cM: 10.16 Total segments: 1 Total gap-induced breaks: 0

posted by Richard Hellstrom
Comparing Kit NH3789809 (Richard Hellstrom) [Ancestry] and M333884 (*Muskerry) [Migration - V4 - M]

Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379 - 1440) Total cM: 9.94 Largest segment cM: 9.94 Total segments: 1 Total gap-induced breaks: 1 Max gap: 2.16 ..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9 Both mom and I match you - Joan is the 18th great grandmother of Richard -- Your Relationship to me - --- David and Richard are 14th cousins twice removed David Clounch and Richard Hellstrom are both descendants of Richard Cave esq.

posted by Richard Hellstrom
Hi, I just saw this in 2022. ;) I am starting to look at Neville again. If you are in the USA we could be related via other families too. We would have to look at details. My McCarty (McCarthy in ireland) matches are 226 matches. There is a a Y-DNA project on them administered by Zena McCarty.
posted by David Clounch
Somehow I had not noticed this. Thank you for this feeback

9.94 cM 18 generations back -- AMAZING!!!! People insist NOOOOO!!!! IT CANNOT BE! DNA IS TOO DILUTED!!!!! That's what they say. They are pessimists. ;) I find that all hints are good for pointing us at further research.

A segment was 9.94. But the aggregate small segment DNA might be much larger if you use dna painting. One might even see triangulations. it is always worth looking.

And the Neville's are notables and they are in history books. All we have to do is find out gateway ancestors and history takes over (to a certain extent.) that is why we pursue "hints" from small DNA segments. (This is optimism, right? Call me PollyAnna).

posted by David Clounch
Hi Cousin!

Thanks for the message! I love the relationship finder! Hope you are having a lovely holiday!!

Merry Christmas!

Paula

posted by Paula J
We have a very obscure MRCA!  ;)
posted by David Clounch
One never knows what we may discover!  ;)
posted by David Clounch
Thanks for sending me the note on John Reed's grandmother Hannah Davis Reed. I hadn't explored that tree branch any further than John Reed the younger, and my recent research suggests you're correct!

I bushwacked a trail back to Deacon John Dunham, Sr. of Plymouth Colony, using MyHeritage, FamilySearch, Ancestry, and Geni (discovered your correspondence there as well).

Now the task will be to find sufficient sources and documentation to justify constructing the missing profiles on WikiTree, which I plan to start this weekend.

Let's stay in touch and keep each other briefed on what we find out.

Oh, and I'm curious how far back on the tree we're related. I know you wrote me your a fifth cousin to my maternal grandmother Lola Hardin [Sims-5104] What's the connection?

Best, Mark

posted by Mark Todd
Thanks for adding your Roberson(s) to the name study. Hopefully, with more profile additions we can unravel our Roberson mysteries. My Roberson line were in the colonies during the Revolutionary War, but I've been told we descend from Clan Robertson- although I have no evidence of such. Best wishes in your Roberson research.
posted by [Living Massey]
I have found two direct paternal people on ancestry. They are using Y-DNA to detect ancient lines of Robertson. We still do not know which clan. it could be clan Gunn. But may be Robertson as in Robert the Bruce. I would love to know.

I have 8 Scot clans and one Irish Clan. I could wear *all* the tartans! hahahaha!

posted by David Clounch
edited by David Clounch
Hi, David. Do you mean Kyle Falk?? He is my nephew, my sister Patty's youngest son. He has a common-law wife Danielle and their two children, Dominick and Clara.
posted by Debbie Lewis
Mary Collins (formerly Cason aka King) married William Collins but also gave me a connection to the King family via her children with Robert King Jr. I see Kings in my 23andme DNA relatives.
posted by David Clounch
Re: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Field-506#

The merge was in 2014 (that info should be on the Changes page). It was completed & I didn’t remove the comment. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

David - my comment, which you'll see below, is that autosomal DNA is close to useless for a common ancestor born in the 1660s, which is considerably more than 3 generations back - more like 10 generations back. It's certainly possible to have a match that far back, but extremely unreliable. So you may match someone with a common ancestor in the 17c, but not matching someone that far back means nothing, because the chances of having common DNA after that much dilution gets very low.

DNA is hardly a scam, or useless, but like all science, it needs to be applied properly and its limits understood - autosomal DNA is very helpful for matches that are within the past ~~5-6 generations, and of course Y-DNA and mitochondrial DNA can go much, much farther back.

posted by Sevy Kueber
David - I'm not sure based on your comment on my profile whether you were expecting a DNA match between us for a MRCA born in the 1660s . Autosomal DNA is close to useless for ancestry that far back, and it means nothing one way or the other for us to not have common DNA if that's our MRCA. - Gary
posted by Sevy Kueber

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