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David Clounch

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David L. Clounch
Born 1950s.
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Son of [private father (1920s - unknown)] and
Brother of [private brother (1940s - unknown)] [half] and [private sister (1940s - unknown)] [half]
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The family folklore was "raised by wolves, descended from pirates". Contrary to the folklore we are shocked to discover the story unfolding below.

Prior to the following there are a lot of well known historical records.

According to WT:

Edward III is the 23th great grandfather of David.

Lionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG (1338 - 1368) is the 22nd great grandfather of David.

Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer (1355 - 1382) is the 21st great grandmother of David

Elizabeth (Mortimer) Camoys (1371 - 1417) is the 20th great grandmother of David.

Elizabeth (Percy) Neville (abt. 1395 - 1436) is the 19th great grandmother of David.

Thomas Clifford (1414 - 1455) is the 18th great grandfather of David.

Starting over at Edward III, according to WT:

John of Gaunt is the 19th great grandfather of David

Richard Neville (Sir Richard "2nd Baron Latimer" Neville KB) is the 15th great grandfather of David

Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379 - 1440) is the 18th great grandmother of David.

George Neville (abt. 1414 - abt. 1476) is the 17th great grandfather of David.

Henry Neville (abt. 1437 - 1469) is the 16th great grandfather of David.

Richard Neville KB (1468 - 1530) is the 15th great grandfather of David.

Dorothy (Neville) Dawnay (1496 - 1532) is the 14th great grandmother of David.

This is going to go on for quite a while until we reach my gateway ancestors who came to America ----

Nicholas Gillington (1676 - bef. 1773). Born 1676 in Tunstall, Lancashire, England. Died before 16 Dec 1773 in Amelia County, Virginia. He descends from both the York and the Lancaster houses. His ancestor was a general for Charles I, and his family home was besieged by the forces of Cromwell.


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Second Comparison - Mom and I both Matched this kit. I manage her kit.

Comparing Kit NH3789809 (Richard Hellstrom) [Ancestry] and T630373 (*McCarty 06) [Migration - F2 - F] Total cM: 10.16 Largest segment cM: 10.16 Total segments: 1 Total gap-induced breaks: 0

posted by Richard Hellstrom
Comparing Kit NH3789809 (Richard Hellstrom) [Ancestry] and M333884 (*Muskerry) [Migration - V4 - M]

Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG (1379 - 1440) Total cM: 9.94 Largest segment cM: 9.94 Total segments: 1 Total gap-induced breaks: 1 Max gap: 2.16 ..... gap: 44881336-70984372 on chromosome 9 Both mom and I match you - Joan is the 18th great grandmother of Richard -- Your Relationship to me - --- David and Richard are 14th cousins twice removed David Clounch and Richard Hellstrom are both descendants of Richard Cave esq.

posted by Richard Hellstrom
Hi Cousin!

Thanks for the message! I love the relationship finder! Hope you are having a lovely holiday!!

Merry Christmas!


posted by Paula J
Thanks for sending me the note on John Reed's grandmother Hannah Davis Reed. I hadn't explored that tree branch any further than John Reed the younger, and my recent research suggests you're correct!

I bushwacked a trail back to Deacon John Dunham, Sr. of Plymouth Colony, using MyHeritage, FamilySearch, Ancestry, and Geni (discovered your correspondence there as well).

Now the task will be to find sufficient sources and documentation to justify constructing the missing profiles on WikiTree, which I plan to start this weekend.

Let's stay in touch and keep each other briefed on what we find out.

Oh, and I'm curious how far back on the tree we're related. I know you wrote me your a fifth cousin to my maternal grandmother Lola Hardin [Sims-5104] What's the connection?

Best, Mark

posted by Mark Todd
Thanks for adding your Roberson(s) to the name study. Hopefully, with more profile additions we can unravel our Roberson mysteries. My Roberson line were in the colonies during the Revolutionary War, but I've been told we descend from Clan Robertson- although I have no evidence of such. Best wishes in your Roberson research.
posted by Jen (Massey) Schwartz
Hi, David. Do you mean Kyle Falk?? He is my nephew, my sister Patty's youngest son. He has a common-law wife Danielle and their two children, Dominick and Clara.
posted by Debbie Lewis
Mary Collins (formerly Cason aka King) married William Collins but also gave me a connection to the King family via her children with Robert King Jr. I see Kings in my 23andme DNA relatives.
posted by David Clounch

The merge was in 2014 (that info should be on the Changes page). It was completed & I didn’t remove the comment. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

David - my comment, which you'll see below, is that autosomal DNA is close to useless for a common ancestor born in the 1660s, which is considerably more than 3 generations back - more like 10 generations back. It's certainly possible to have a match that far back, but extremely unreliable. So you may match someone with a common ancestor in the 17c, but not matching someone that far back means nothing, because the chances of having common DNA after that much dilution gets very low.

DNA is hardly a scam, or useless, but like all science, it needs to be applied properly and its limits understood - autosomal DNA is very helpful for matches that are within the past ~~5-6 generations, and of course Y-DNA and mitochondrial DNA can go much, much farther back.

posted by Gary Kueber
David - I'm not sure based on your comment on my profile whether you were expecting a DNA match between us for a MRCA born in the 1660s . Autosomal DNA is close to useless for ancestry that far back, and it means nothing one way or the other for us to not have common DNA if that's our MRCA. - Gary
posted by Gary Kueber

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