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Mary (Copper) Vidler (abt. 1778 - 1829)

Mary Vidler formerly Copper aka Vitler, Coppar
Born about in Northiam, Sussex, Englandmap
Daughter of and
Sister of , , , , and
Wife of — married 29 Dec 1796 (to 27 Sep 1829) in St Nicholas Church, Sandhurst, Kent, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , , , , , , and
Died at about age 51 in Sandhurst, Kent, England, United Kingdommap
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Biography

Sussex (historic flag, adopted 2011)
Mary (Copper) Vidler was born in Northiam, Sussex, England.

Mary Copper (Coppar) was born about 1778 in Northiam, Sussex, England to parents William Copper and Frances Noakes. She was baptised on 12 July 1778 at St. Mary, Northiam, Sussex, England, the daughter of William Coppar and Frances Coppar[1][2].[3]

She married William Vidler on 29 December 1796 in St Nicholas Church, Sandhurst, Kent, England

COPPER, Mary/ VITLER, William - Banns of Marriage 1796
[4][5]

Children:

  1. Mary Ann (Vidler) Mummery
  2. William Wesley Vidler
  3. John Vidler
  4. James Vidler
  5. Stephen Vidler
  6. Kezia (Vidler) Steadman
  7. Edwin Arthur Vidler
  8. Samuel Vidler
  9. Sarah Ann (Vidler) Stott

Mary died aged 51 years on 27 September 1829 in Sandhurst, Kent, England, and was buried on the 29th September 1829 at St. Nicholas, Sandhurst, Kent, England[6][7][8].

Research Notes

Re: Parents

There is discussion concerning the parentage of Mary Copper/ Coppar/ Cooper/ Coggar but until there is something definite I have removed her parents.

1)Graeme Moad has Mary christened on "12 Oct 1775, St Nicholas, Sandhurst, Kent, age: <1, "and the daughter of Joseph and Ann (Elizabeth Ann Grigsby) Cogger.

On the Ancestry Message Boards a question was asked of Steve Riley, do you have any concrete evidence that Mary COPPER was the daughter of Joseph COPPER/COGGER and Elizabeth GRIGSBY.? by Kevin Comber of Perth, Australia. Steve's reply was, My records show Mary was actually Mary Cogger and was the daughter that I have previously originally reported. My grandmother is also descended from this couple, was a keen vidler researcher (for her line and nearby records) and a collector of records, photographs (post 1857). My mother although also born in Australia happened to live on Sandhurst Road on the Tunbridge Wells (Kent) side of Sandhurst for 30+years. [She is in her late 80’s.] My mother and another early researcher in the Kent area 'enthusiastically' worked and researched various records. (see Message Board for Threads)

2) Voices from the Past have her born 12 July 1878, parents not named, but which would making her the daughter of William & Frances Copper/Coppar.

Both 1) & 2) are reliant on only a Christening Record, so either may be, or either may not be, the correct. More research is required as there isn't actually a huge weight of strong evidence for either case.

3) There is also a third suggestion, which I have not pursued, for a Joseph Cogger and wife Ann Marr being Mary's parents.

The Mary Coppar baptised 1778 at Northiam had a sister Elizabeth Copper baptised in 1792. Did Elizabeth survive and marry? Could Mary Vidler/Vitler have been a witness at Elizabeth's marriage?

Mary appears to have had a sister Ann Copper who married Phillip Sargant on the 23rd December 1804 at St. Nicholas, Sandhurst, Kent, England. Mary's husband William Vitler was a witness at this marriage[9]. They had a son Phillip b. 1805 at Sandhurst who married Harriet. Phillip snr. and Ann Sargent (nee Copper) moved from Sandhurst, Kent to Icklesham, Sussex by 1809 and had son James bapt. 1809 at Icklesham, Sophia bapt. 1812 at Icklesham. James (son of Phillip Sargant, Carter) married Emma Pain in 1855 at Icklesham, suggesting the family remained in the Icklesham area. Ann (b. 1777) died in 1868 at Peasmarsh and was buried at Icklesham, her husband Phillip (b. 1777) having died in Udimore in 1861 and buried at Icklsham. The 1861 Census of Philip and Ann at Udimore, Sussex confirms that Ann was born about 1780 at Northiam, Sussex, England. The 1851 census also confirms Ann's birth as abt. 1781 at Northiam, Sussex. Athough no baptism can be found for Ann* Copp*r at Northiam, there was a baptism of a Nanny (a variant of Ann) Coppard, daughter of William Coppard and Frances Coppard baptised 24th June 1781 at Northiam, Sussex, England[10]. The fact that Mary's husband William was a witness at Ann's marriage in Sandhurst, Kent, and Ann was born at Northiam suggests the Northiam baptism of Mary Coppar is likely the correct one.

Other children of William and Frances Coppar(d): Fanny Coppard bapt. 1783 at Northiam, Sussex (daughter of William & Fanny) Sarah Coppard bapt. 1786 at Northiam, Sussex, Thomas Coppard bapt. 1789 at Northiam, Sussex, Elizabeth Copper bapt. 1792 at Northiam, Sussex and William Coppard bapt. 1796 at Northiam, Sussex.

William Copper had married Frances Noaks on the 14th October 1777 at Northiam, Sussex, England.

Curnick-42 17:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

DNA Research

There are several autosomal DNA matches between the descendants of William Vidler aka Vitler and Mary Vidler nee Coppar aka Copper (1778-1829) AND descendants of Simon Selmes aka Selms aka Selvens (1744-1820) and his wife Sal aka Sarah Selmes nee Aylward (1757-1837) who were from Sedlescombe/Ticehurst/Ewhurst/Whatlington and Mountfield in Sussex. N.B. William Vidler's birth place of Battle is just 6 miles from where Simon and Sal Selmes were living at Ewhurst in 1778 and 4 miles from where they were living at Sedlescombe in 1779, and just 3 miles from where Simon Selmes married Sal Ayward in 1777 at Mountfield, Sussex.

Descendants of William Vidler aka Vitler and Mary Vidler nee Coppar aka Copper:

William & Mary Vidler>William Vidler (1799-1881)>William Vidler (1830-1919)>John William Vidler (1857-1952)>Edith Florence Vidler>E. A.>K.S.

William & Mary Vidler>William Vidler (1799-1881)>William Vidler (1830-1919)>John William Vidler (1857-1952)>Edith Florence Vidler>E. A.>J.S.>M.S.>F.S.>T.M.

William & Mary Vidler>Sarah Ann Vidler (1822-1905)>William Huskisson Knight (1842-1928)>Amelia Knight (1868-1943)>Edward Roy Kelly (1899-1984)>M.K.>M.K.

William & Mary Vidler>Sarah Ann Vidler (1822-1905)>William Huskisson Knight (1842-1928)>Amelia Knight (1868-1943)>[[William & Mary Vidler>Sarah Ann Vidler (1822-1905)>William Huskisson Knight (1842-1928)>Amelia Knight (1868-1943)>Sidney Philip Kelley (1893-1961)>L.K.>R.N.

Descendants of Simon Selmes aka Selms aka Selvens (1744-1820) and his wife [Aylward-217|Sal aka Sarah Selmes nee Aylward]] (1757-1837):

Simon & Sal Selmes>Simon Sems aka Selmes (1781-1861)>Jane Selmes (1811-1867)>Charles Molloy (1848-1914)>Alice Maud Molloy (1881-1952)>Catherine Louisa Bremner (1915-2005)>S.P.>Michelle Wilkes

Simon & Sal Selmes>Suky aka Susanna(h) Selms aka Selmes>James Jenner>Charlotte Jenner>Emily Sykes>Ella M. Harvey>A.W.>L.Q.

Simon & Sal Selmes>Suky aka Susanna(h) Selms aka Selmes>James Jenner>Sarah Jenner>Emily E Randell>Cecil Victor Jones>R.J.>P.S.

Sources

  1. ↑ "Baptism of Mary COPPAR" St. Mary, Northiam, Sussex, England Composite register Baptism Entry 1778 East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference: Par 431/1/1/2 Image available at Ancestry.co.uk (£) Accessed 7th April 2023
  2. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFGX-MHJ : 7 December 2017), Mary Coppar, 1778. Citing: Name: Mary Coppar Event Type: Christening Event Date: 12 Jul 1778 Event Place: Northiam, Sussex, England Gender: Female Father's Name: William Coppar Mother's Name: Frances Coppar
  3. ↑ "England, Sussex, Parish Registers, 1538-1910", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFGX-MHJ : 7 December 2017), Mary Coppar, 1778.
  4. ↑ "Parish Registers of Benenden, Kent". Family History Library Film 2228346. Citing: Banns of Marriage between William Vitler (sic) and Mary Copper were published on the 23rd day of October by William Courthope and on the 30th day of October and the 6th day of November 1796 by by me William Hussey. The said William Vitler of the parish of Benenden Batchelor and Mary Copper of this parish spinster. Married in this Church by Banns this 29th day of December in the year 1796 be me William Hussey Rector.
  5. ↑ Name William Vitler Spouse's Name Mary Copper Event Date 23 Oct 1796 Event Place England Citation "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN1P-7V7 : 10 December 2014), William Vitler and Mary Copper, 23 Oct 1796; citing England, reference P 27# 132; FHL microfilm 2,228,346.
  6. ↑ "England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991"[1]Notes: Name: Mary Vidler Gender: Female Burial Date: 27 Sep 1829 Burial Place: Kent, England FHL Film Number: 1835667 Reference ID: 31
  7. ↑ View the Marriage Certificate of William Vidler (Vitler) and Mary Copper on the Web Site - Descendants of William Vidler[2]
  8. ↑ Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215356932/mary-vidler: accessed 07 April 2023), memorial page for Mary Copper Vidler (1778–Sep 1829), Find a Grave Memorial ID 215356932; Maintained by Beth (Pflug) Heiney (contributor 47312318).
  9. ↑ "Marriage of Phillip SARGANT & Ann COPPER" St. Nicholas, Sandhurst, Kent, England Banns & Marriage register 1754-1818 P321/1/A/3 Marriage entry 1804 Entry No. 8. Kent History & Library Centre. Image available at FindMyPast (£) Accessed 7th April 2023
  10. ↑ "Baptism of Nanny COPPARD" St. Mary, Northiam, Sussex, England Composite register Baptism Entry 1781 East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference: Par 431/1/1/2 Image available at Ancestry.co.uk (£) Accessed 7th April 2023

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Curnick-42 Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Please correct LNAB to Coppar as per baptism
posted on Cogger-24 (merged) by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Curnick-42 Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Parent option 2) probably refers to the baptism of Mary Coppar on the 12th July 1778 at Northiam, Sussex, England, daughter of William Coppar and Frances Coppar Source: Original register https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/3461932:62049

Mary's age at burial in 1829 (51 years) puts her year of birth about 1778, which makes the 1778 baptism most likely. I would suggest searching wills, settlement certificates etc of all potential parents.

posted on Cogger-24 (merged) by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
edited by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Curnick-42 Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Cogger-219 and Cogger-24 appear to represent the same person because: same father and birth year/place
posted on Cogger-24 (merged) by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Curnick-42 Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
Cogger-219 and Cogger-24 do not represent the same person because: Mary Cogger daughter of Joseph Cogger 1775 is NOT the same person as Mary COPPAR aka COPPER who married William VITLER aka VIDLER (1778-1829). Further research has indicated that Mary COPPAR was the daughter of William COPPER aka COPPAR aka COPPARD who married Frances NOAKS in 1777 at Northiam, Sussex. The fact that William VITLER was a witness of the marriage of his sister-in-law Ann Sargant nee COPPER (Nanny COPPARD) who was baptised at Northiam, Sussex, daughter of William & Frances supports the fact that Mary Vitler aka Vidler nee Copper was the daughter of William & Frances.
posted on Cogger-24 (merged) by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes
edited by Michelle (Curnick) Wilkes

Rejected matches › Mary Cogger (1775-)

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