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Joan Cornwall (abt. 1258 - bef. 1319)

Joan Cornwall
Born about in Cornwall, Englandmap
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Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 61 in East Winch, Norfolk, Englandmap
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Biography

The House of Plantagenet crest.
Joan Cornwall is a member of the House of Plantagenet.

There is an extended discussion by medieval researchers of the ambiguous evidence supporting Joan's presumed ancestry here.

"Joan, wife of Richard Champernowne of Modbury, is considered to be the illegitimate daughter of Richard, earl of Cornwall. This is known from a single source: The well-known Devonshire antiquarian William Pole writing in the 17th century said he has seen a document where Edmund, earl of Cornwall, called Joan Champernowne his sister. For this to be true she would have to be an illegitimate daughter of his father. His father was known to have had several illegitimate children, including by Joan (Unknown, Valletorte) Okeston ( aka Oxton). Since we also know that Joan’s son was a nephew of James de Oxton, it all makes perfect sense that Joan, wife of Richard Champernowne was a daughter of Richard, earl of Cornwall by his known mistress Joan Valletorte."[1]

Per wikipedia:

By his mistress Joan de Valletort, Richard [Earl of Cornwall] had five children... Joan was the daughter of Sir Walter de Bath, Knight and Sheriff of Devon in 1217, and the sister of Henry de Bath. Inquisition And Post Mortem of Devon; Thirteenth-Sixteenth Centuries Court of Chancery states: Walter de Bath held land in Clauton of the gift of Guy Norant of land in Fernhull, held of Joan who was wife of Ralph de Valletorta, who has it in dower. History of St. Mary’s Abbey of Buckfast in the county of Devon: A.D. 760–1906, p. 7.

Joan first married Ralph de Valletort who was living in 1246 and dead by 1267; they were the parents of Reginald de Valletort, Inq. p.m. 1270. Reginald granted Trematon to Earl Richard. Joan later married Alexander Okeston and they were the parents of Sir James Okeston. Children of Richard, Earl of Cornwall and Joan [included] Joan of Cornwall, who received a grant from her half-brother Edmund in which she was called sister, she married firstly, Richard de Champernoun, by whom she had a son, Sir Richard, and secondly, Sir Peter de Fissacre, by whom she had no issue.

Sources

  1. Brief summary of the known evidence by Joe Cochoit on this G2G thread.




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C. Edw. I. File 15. (7.)

201. Alexander de Oxeton alias de Okeston. Writ of certiorari, on the complaint of Joan late the wife of the said Alexander, that the escheator had taken into the king's hand the manors of Modbiri and Brideford, a third part of Brigesham, and lands &c. in Hirberton, of which she was enfeoffed jointly with the said Alexander, 4 March, 4 Edw. I. Devon. Inq. Wednesday after St. Gregory, 4 Edw. I. Modbyri manor, Brideford manor, a third part of Brixham manor, and certain lands &c. in Hurberton worth 40s. yearly, were held jointly by the said Alexander de Okeston and Joan, who were enfeoffed to them and their heirs for ever by Roger de Valletorta, to hold of him and his heirs, excepting that they should hold the manor of Modbyri of the earl of Cornwall by reason of the barony of Tremeton, rendering 6d., to him yearly, and from Brideford 6d., from Brixham 6d., and from Huberton 6d. and 1 grain of pepper, for all service to the said Roger and his heirs. These lands used to be held of the king in barony, but now are held in socage only and by a mesne as abovesaid, to the king's decrease by the alienation. It is therefore in the discretion of the king and his council whether he will restore the lands &c. to the said Joan, for the jury do not consider any other injury to be done to the king or others than as abovesaid.

posted by Steven Broadley
Per "The Visitations of the County of Devon: Comprising the Herald's ..., Volumes 1-7," College of Arms, Great Britian, pg 160, Joan was the daughter of "Sir Alexander Okeston by Joan, relict of Richard de Valletort, who was supposed concubine of Richard Earl of Cornwall, and King of the Romans." See: https://books.google.com/books?id=GmqlIibS95IC&q=160#v=snippet&q=160&f=false

Also, their son Richard's spouse is not listed. His son Richard is the one who married Joan, daughter of Ralph de Valletort. Is seems as if this Wiki ancestry is missing a generation.

posted by Alan Pendleton
I've changed the LNAB.
Perhaps a leader (Katherine or Darlene?) could change the LNAB to Cornwall? It's project protected, so I can't change it, even though I'm oe of the profile managers.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
I am o.k. with Cornwall...
It looks like "Cornwall," and not "Okeston" is the correct surname, if we're going to follow Richardson on who her father was. Does anybody object to changing the LNAB to Cornwall? (That's how wikipedia refers to her as well.) I suppose the fact that her father was "Plantagenet", combined with the fact that she was a bastard, means we shouldn't use Plantagenet, so Cornwall would seem to be a serviceable alternative.
posted by [Living Schmeeckle]

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