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Joan (Dacre) Clifford (abt. 1415 - bef. 1453)

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Joan "Jane" Clifford formerly Dacre
Born about in Naworth Castle, Brampton, Cumberland, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married after in Skelton, Yorkshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died before [location unknown]
Profile last modified | Created 22 Feb 2015
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Joan Dacre is a descendant of Magna Carta surety barons Roger le Bigod, Hugh le Bigod, Richard de Clare, Gilbert de Clare, John FitzRobert, John de Lacy and Saher de Quincy.

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Joan (Dacre) Clifford was a member of aristocracy in England.

Birth and Parentage

Joan (or Jane) Dacre was the daughter of Sir Thomas Dacre, 6th Lord Dacre of Gilsland, and his wife Philippe, daughter of Sir Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland, by his 1st wife, Margaret de Stafford.[1]

Her parents were married before 20 Jul 1399,[2] but her father (born 1387) was a sub-teen bridegroom and it's likely that his bride was little older, if at all. Taking this into account, Joan's date of birth can plausibly be guessed at say 1410-15.


After March 1424, Joan married Thomas Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford,[1] son of the 7th Baron by Elizabeth Percy[3] and grandson of Hotspur.


They had 4 sons and 5 daughters.[4] who unusually were all knighted

  1. Sir John (9th Baron), m Margaret Bromflete[4]
  2. Sir Roger de Clifford, m Joan (or Jane) Courtenay[4]
  3. Elizabeth (Clifford) Plumpton, m (-) by contract only, Robert Plumpton, (1) his brother Sir William Plumpton, (2) John Hamerton[3][4]
  4. Maud (Clifford) Sutton, m (1) Sir John Harington, (2) Sir Edmund Sutton (or Dudley)[4]
  5. Joan (or Jane), wife of Sir Simon Musgrave[4] May be the same as Jane (De Clifford) Clifford b 1452, Shelton, Yorkshire.
  6. Margaret Clifford, wife of Robert Carr[4]
  7. Sir Robert
  8. Sir Thomas
  9. Anne, wife of Sir Richard Tempest and William Conyers, Esq.[4]


Joan was evidently dead by 1453, when her husband contracted to remarry.[4]

(Royal Ancestry) In May 1453 (her husband) contracted to marry Isabel ____, widow of John Dacre, Knt., a lady in waiting to Queen Margaret of Anjou. The marriage never took place, she marrying instead in 1454 John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Lancashire.

The burial place of Joan, wife of Thomas Clifford, 8th Lord Clifford, is unknown. according to a FindAGrave memorial for, which has since been removed (was memorial #60731876; as of 22 September 2018, it no longer exists).


  1. 1.0 1.1 Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry pp 612-613
  2. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol 2, p 372.
  3. 3.0 3.1 Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry p 239
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, vol. 1, p. 508
  • Royal Ancestry 2013 Vol. II p. 246-247
  • Ancestral Roots 8th ed. 2004 F.L. Weis Line 5-35 page 9
  • Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, (Kimball G. Everingham, editor. 2nd edition, 2011), vol. 2 p. 16.
  • Wikipedia:
  • Joan Dacre, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed June 6, 2015)
  • Ancestral File, Number 9SKP-BB.

Research Notes

Caution: This Joan Dacre appears to have been previously merged with duplicates of her niece, Joan (Dacre) Fiennes, Lady Dacre, daughter of Sir Thomas Dacre by Elizabeth Bowet. The dates and marriages, combined with at least a handful of different gedcoms as sources and biographies, indicate the combination of these two Joans. The niece was Joan, Lady Dacre married to Richard Fiennes. This profile is now for Baroness Clifford and the biography, dates and sources reflect these changes.

P.S. As of edit June 6, 2015, the text appears to be only for the aunt, Joan (Dacre) Clifford, daughter of Thomas and Philippe (Neville) Dacre, wife of Thomas Clifford. ~ Liz Shifflett


Click the Changes tab to see edits to this profile; from that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Dacre-93 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.

Magna Carta Project

Needs Re-review: Profile is out of date (it no longer meets Magna Carta project standards; see the project's current checklist). ~ Noland-165 23:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
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On 8 Dec 2017 at 00:27 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Verified this profile as being on a project-approved trail (from Peyton-434 to Clavering-13 & Quincy-226, following "Magna Carta badged" profiles to those surety barons). The project account for the Magna Carta Project will be added as a manager later this month to meet WikiTree guidelines (see Help:Project-Managed_Profiles). Give me a holler if you have any questions. ~ Liz, Magna Carta project member

On 9 Jun 2015 at 17:17 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Hi! This profile is in the Magna Carta trail between the Gateway Ancestor Robert Peyton and Magna Carta surety baron Saher de Quincy.

See Magna Carta suggested lines for the profiles between Robert and Maud, de Quincy's 3x-gr-granddaughter. This trail has just been placed in the queue for review. For more information about the Magna Carta project, see the project page. To see information about the 800th Anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, see Magna Carta 800th.

Cheers, Liz

On 5 Jun 2015 at 18:51 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

update: all done - this profile's ready for review when the rest of the trail is done

Hi! The Magna Carta project has identified a suggested line for Major Robert Peyton, a Gateway Ancestor. I am working on the Magna Carta trails from him to Margery le Despenser and to Ralph Neville, who are descendants of several Magna Carta surety barons. This profile is part of Captain Peyton's Magna Carta trail & is being edited as part of the process (see the pdf An example of a Magna Carta project profile's "evolution" at the Magna Carta Base Camp). If you have any questions, please check out the project page or message me. Thanks, Liz

On 10 Apr 2015 at 12:46 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

Gisland-1 and Dacre-93 appear to represent the same person because: "Joan Gilsland" is just a confused version of "Joan Dacre of Gilsland".

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