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Collineau (De Montaguerre) DeMontaguerre (abt. 1550 - abt. 1640)

Collineau "Inconnue" DeMontaguerre formerly De Montaguerre aka Collineau, de Montaguerre
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Died about in Rochefort, Allier, Auvergne, Francemap
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Currently integrating all the purported husbands and descendants into the biography. Takes some time. Thanks for your patience! Rassinot-1 21:32, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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Biography

This person did not exist. The Collineau de Montaguerre family name appeared at the end of the 18th century or the beginning of the 19th in Nantes. The family settled in the French Antilles.

Research notes

Collineau de Montaguerre appears as the earliest female ancestor in the ascendant ancestral lines for French emigrants to New France in numerous online genealogies. Therefore, profiles for Collineau de Montaguerre have been set up as the mother of numerous persons whose actual parents are unknown.

Introduction

"Unknown" or "Inconnue" Collineau de Montaguerre, sometimes just "Collineau de Montaguerre" (with Collineau as first name) is supposed to be the ancestress of many, many French emigrants, usually in New France. She is, usually, the last female ancestor in a line, associated with unknown husbands. Apart from her unusual and strange name, it is fairly unlikely that the wife of an unknown 16th or 17th century man would be known.

A simple look at her profile shows how improbable she is, with currently 38 husbands representing the 30+ different emigrant descendants (grandchildren or great-grandchilden) she is supposed to have.

This "Unknown" (Inconnue in French) has puzzled many, and to make a long story short, it was decided that she was probably, initially, someone's code for and end-of-line ancestor, and that this joke propagated. This has already been discussed here and here. I think it's time to decide that she did not exist and officially move her to the Disproven Existence project. This means that all the "unknown" husbands she's connected to will be disconnected and replaced by links in her biography.

The Collineau de Montaguerre family is elusive. There was a semi-notable Collineau de Montaguerre in the French Antilles in the 17th or 18th century. In reality, there are very few traces of this family ; no story, no timeline. Therefore, the prevalence of this name for early, basically unknown ancestors of Canadian emigrants looks like a hoax, or a joke.

Name

She could not have been Collineau (given name) de Montaguerre (family name), because women were not given "Collineau" as a given name (Colinot would be possible for a man, from "Colin", a variant of Nicolas).

The family name "de Montaguerre" is rare, if not non-existent (since 1891, there has been one "de Montagère" birth in France, after 1966), which rules out the possibility of several different, unrelated people called "Collineau de Montaguerre".



See this G2G discussion of the Collineau de Montaguerre problem.

Husbands

In various popular genealogies, Collineau de Montaguerre, or Inconnue Collineau de Montaguerre, has been associated with the following purported husbands over a two hundred year time span:

  1. husband Unknown de Monmainier said to be born in France, 1575.
  2. husband Unknown Chalut said to be born in 1500.
  3. husband Unknown Rangier as ancestors of Madeleine Ranger, said to be born in 1599.
  4. husband Unknown Caperon, as parents of Perrine Caperon
  5. husband Unknown Lenoble, as parents of Marie Le Noble
  6. husband Ribaro Vibrayre
  7. husband Unknown Soldé, probably as ancestors of Anne and Jeanne Soldé
  8. husband Inconnu Le Potier, again as ancestors of Anne and Jeanne Soldé
  9. husband Unknown Moulin, as parents of Jeanne Moulin
  10. husband Paul Vachon, as parents of Vincent Vachon
  11. husband Lemay Brousseau, as parents of Damien Brosseau

Temporary second list:

  1. Unknown De Monmainier
  2. Unknown Chalut
  3. Inconnu Ranger Rangier
  4. Unknown Caperon
  5. Unknown Lenoble
  6. Inconnu Ribaro Vibrayre
  7. Inconnu (Sold) Soldé
  8. Unknown Moulin
  9. Paul Vachon
  1. Inconnu Paumière Paulmier
  2. Inconnu Thibierge
  3. Unknown Frerot
  4. Francois Gadois
  5. Unknown Turpin
  6. Inconnu Carbonneau
  7. Unknown Pelletier
  8. Unknown Tichot
  9. Unknown Simon
  10. Jehan (Content) Cointerel
  11. Inconnu Lavau Leveau
  12. Inconnu St Cyr
  13. Jean (Lasonde) L'Espérance
  14. Inconnu Guerrineau
  15. Jean Guerrineau
  16. Inconnu LaBeauce
  17. Inconnu Pouliot Poulliot
  18. Poulliot Boulet
  19. Inconnu Daniaud
  20. Inconnu Tardif
  21. Unknown Goupil
  22. Inconnu Rousseau
  23. Joseph Van Den Dyke
  24. Antoine (Inconeau) Inconnu
  25. Inconnu Robidou
  26. Rambert Morel
  27. Briault Priault
  28. Joseph Gagnon XIII

Category

A category Collineau de Montaguerre Unknowns. has been created as a holding pen for profiles named "Collineau de Montaguerre", "De Montaguerre" or variants of these names. It also includes the purported spouses found linked to the name.

"Collineau de Montaguerre" profiles are usually unsourced, contain no information to help indentify them, and tend to be earliest ancestors of lines, or attached to dubious genealogies. They cannot be traced to any reliable source or documentation. It has been speculated that they were originally place-holders for "brick walls" in the ancestry of some emigrants to New France, and were then propagated without explanation from an internet genealogy website to another.

Because the information contained in these profiles is unreliable or false, this category has been placed under Frauds and Fabrications. This is not ideal, as they are probably not voluntary fabrications.

Disambiguation

There is however a real "Collineau de Montaguère" family. This family started after the 1794 marriage of Hippolyte Joseph Collineau and Françoise Charlotte Ollivier, daughter of Joseph Ollivier sieur de la Montaguère. Their son, born Hippolyte Collineau, used the name Collineau de Montaguère later in life, and transmitted it to his descendants. There was no one with the name Collineau de Montaguère (or Montaguerre, for that matter) before 1794.

Notes de Recherche

"Collineau de Montaguerre" est perçu comme un marqueur pour les premières ancêtres féminines dans les lignes ascendantes d'émigrants français en Nouvelle-France, se trouvant dans de nombreuses généalogies en ligne. Cette personne n'a jamais existé. Le nom de famille Collineau de Montaguerre apparait à la fin du 18ième siècle ou au début du 19ième à Nantes. La famille s'est établie dans les Antilles françaises.


Research notes

Tagging this profile uncertain (No traces left by the "Collineau de Montaguerre" family before the early 19th century, too many issues with this family group).


DeMontaguerre Couldn't find any valid first name.

Sources


  • WIkiTree profile Demontaguerre-25 was created through the import of export-Ancestors.ged on Jul 31, 2014 by Karina Mulder. Contained the following data: Date of Birth: 1562 ; Place of birth: Surgeres, Rochefort, Saintonge, France : Date of Death: 1640 ; Place of Death: Surgeres, Rochefort, Saintonge, France
1470-1500
1527-1560
1530-1560
1498-1560
1500-1560
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1527-1577

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  • DeMontaguerre-19 was created by Phil Masse on Feb 28, 2014


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DeMontaguerre-19 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because: another in the series, made into a male this time
posted by Danielle Liard
DeMontaguerre-34 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because: another in the series, made into a male this time,
posted by Danielle Liard
Demontaguerre-69 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because:

please merge into De_Montaguerre-4 to clear duplicate. thank you

posted by E Martin
have added the category Collineau.... to all the listed husbands also, as well as tagging them all with uncertain existence
posted by Danielle Liard
I'm going to post an official Disproven Existence Notice in G2G for her soon.
answered Jack on his query.
posted by Danielle Liard
This profile is already in the Disproven Existence Project, but does not yet have a finished profile explaining how this "person" came to be disproven. Also, Disproven Existence Profiles should not be linked to parens, spouses or children -- in this case there are a mind-boggling number of spouses, who shoulsd be listed in the narrative with links, and disconnected. Also ALL of the spouses are tainted by this profile and need an explanation as to what their supposed marriage meant; in some cases this could lead the spouse also to being disproven existence.
posted by Jack Day
DeMontaguerre-14 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because:

please merge into De_Montaguerre-4 to clear duplicate

Please merge this other occurrence of the mysterious Collineau de Montaguerre into the "master profile". Thanks.

posted by E Martin
DeMontaguerre-68 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because:

please merge into De_Montaguerre-4 to clear duplicate

Please merge this other occurrence of the mysterious Collineau de Montaguerre into the "master profile". Thanks.

posted by E Martin
Demontaguerre-2 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because: Please merge this occurrence of "Unknown Collineau de Montaguerre" into the master profile, thanks
DeMontaguerre-19 and De Montaguerre-4 appear to represent the same person because: Please merge this other occurrence of the mysterious Collineau de Montaguerre into the "master profile". Thanks.
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Thomas Lemieux Collineau Demontaguerre

Lemieux-387, Collineau_Demontaguerre-1 and DeMontaguerre-34 are the same person - all dates are wrong.

Research suggests that this person may never have existed. See the text for details.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Collineau_de_Montaguerre_Unknowns

posted on DeMontaguerre-34 (merged) by E Martin
Collineau Demontaguerre-1 and DeMontaguerre-34 appear to represent the same person because:

Duplicate

posted on DeMontaguerre-34 (merged) by E Martin
DeMontaguerre-66 and DeMontaguerre-19 appear to represent the same person because:

Duplicate - same name - sames dates

posted on DeMontaguerre-19 (merged) by E Martin
Lemieux-387 and Collineau Demontaguerre-1 do not represent the same person because: There is too great a difference between the two profiles as far as date of birth. 1384 v 1499. (also this would mean too great a difference in date of death) The only known source of information, is posted on Lemieux-387 as a photo image. I believe this one gives 1384 as a birth date. There are more photo image sources on Collineau-4, which is for Lemieux's supposed daughter, which I find confusing at the very least. This is one case that I will not touch with a 10 foot pole. If the present sources are not acceptable to you, then by all means delete whatever. I am not the author of the sources given.
posted on DeMontaguerre-34 (merged) by Norman Gagnon
Lemieux-387 and Collineau Demontaguerre-1 appear to represent the same person because: Names are very similar. Collineau de Montaguerre is an extremely rare name, so these two people must be the same. Please provide sources before rejecting, thanks.
posted on DeMontaguerre-34 (merged) by Isabelle (Rassinot) Martin
The dates are wrong. He died before he was born.
posted on DeMontaguerre-34 (merged) by Cathy Falsetto

Unmerged matches › Thomas Lemieux (1480-)
Rejected matches › Pernelle PallainFrançoise Desmier (abt.1580-)

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