Mathurin (Denys) Denys de Mussay (abt. 1525 - abt. 1589)

Born about 1525 in Touraine, France

Descendants

Died about 7 May 1589 at about age 64 in Touraine, France

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Biographie

Mathurin (Denys) Denys de Mussay is Notable.

"Anciennes familles: 'HISTOIRE GÉNÉALOGIQUE DE LA FAMILLE DENYS', by Yves Drolet, 2016; pp. 4, 18. 'PART I: LES DENYS EN TOURAINE... Longtemps enveloppées de mystère, les origines des Denys ont été éclaircies grâce aux recherches de JeanMarie Germe et de Geoffrey Audcent... La famille remonte à Mathurin Denys, dit l’aîné pour le distinguer de son fils homonyme. Peut-être descendant du sergent Pierre Denys qui vivait à Tours en 1451, Mathurin l’aîné était marchand bourgeois dans cette ville. Trois enfants sont nés de son mariage avec Guillemine Girard vers 1515 : Mathurin le jeune, qui suit, Jean et Pierre. Jean était sergent royal à Tours entre 1570 et 1593 ; il a eu huit enfants qui n’ont pas laissé de descendance connue. Quant à Pierre, il s’agissait peut-être de l’intendant Pierre Denys de la Baraudière, dont la postérité a subsisté à Tours jusqu’à la fin du XVIIe siècle. Mathurin Denys le jeune (v 1525-1584)...'" ^[1]

Questionable lineage

Wikipedia has Jacques' father Mathurin as son of Jehan Denys

"Wikipedia: 'Jehan Denys... Mathurin « le Jeune » Denys, marchand - fermier régisseur de la Carte Ballan, anobli et sieur de Mussay, dont le propre fils Jacques Denys sieur du Pressoir (v.1561-1631), conseiller du Roy et lieutenant du Grenier à Tours.'" ^[2]

This, however, is refuted by Yves Drolet in collaboration with others. This is what he has to say on the matter:

The earliest known ancestor of the family is Mathurin Denys, a French merchant who was living in Tours and died between 1548 and 1553. Mathurin may have been a descendant of Pierre Denys who was sergeant at Tours in 1451, but he was definitely not related to Jean Denys, a captain from Honfleur in Normandy who made a fishing trip to the coast of America in 1506. The spurious connection between the Denys of Tours and Honfleur is part of a large-scale genealogical hoax crafted in 1897 and 1903 by the notorious confabulator and racist ideologist Frederick Gilman Forsaith, aka. Frederic Gregory Forsyth de Fronsac, who falsified the history of both the Denys and the Forsyth families in order to support his claim to a noble ancestry (2) ^[3]

Furthermore, Wikipedia cites Biographi.ca as its source, but Biographi.ca makes no mention of such a connection at all.^[4][5]

Note that Red Sky Métis have been taken in by the same hoax perpetrated by Forsaith/Forsyth.

"Red Sky Métis Independent Nation: 'Robinson-Superior Treaty, 1850 - Robinson Treaty was made in the year 1850, with the Objibewa Indians, of Lake Superior. The Red Sky Métis Independent Nation™ consists of the decedents of the aforementioned eighty-four 'half-breeds' included under this treaty.' ^[6] 'May 7, 1589 Death of Mathurin Denys, Sieur de la Thibaudière. He died while defending King Henry III of France. He was given letters of nobility, which were passed on to his son..' ^{[7] [8] [9][10] [11]}

Biography

Translation Old Families: 'GENEALOGICAL HISTORY OF THE DENYS FAMILY', by Yves Drolet, 2016; Pp. For a long time enveloped in mystery, the origins of the Denys were cleared up thanks to the researches of Jean Marie Germe and Geoffrey Audcent ... The family goes back to Mathurin Denys, Elder to distinguish him from his homonymous son. Perhaps descendant of Sergeant Pierre Denys who lived in Tours in 1451, Mathurin the elder was a bourgeois merchant in this city. Three children were born of his marriage with Guillemine Girard around 1515: Mathurin the younger, who follows, Jean and Pierre. Jean was a royal sergeant at Tours between 1570 and 1593; He had eight children who did not leave known offspring. As for Pierre, he was perhaps the intendant Pierre Denys de la Baraudiere, whose posterity subsisted in Tours until the end of the seventeenth century.

Mathurin Denys the younger (1525-1584).

Name

Name: Mathurin /Denys/^[12][13]

Birth

Birth:

Date: 1530

Place: Touraine, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France^[14][15]

Death

Date: 07 MAY 1589

Place: Touraine, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France^[16][17]

Residence

Residence:

Place: France^[18]

Du fichier Origine de Nicolas DENYS

Parents: Jacques DENYS et Marie Cosnier

Métier du père: Conseiller du roi à Tours

Date de mariage des parents: 00-00-1594

Lieu de mariage des parents: Tours (37261)

Date du contrat de mariage: 11-06-1594

Notaire: Me Vincent Patrix

Remarques: Son père Jacques Denys (Mathurin et Marie Aulbert/Aubert), est né 1564, soit 17 ans en 1581, d. 28, s. 29-05-1631 à Tours (St-Pierre-de-Boyle), écuyer, sieur du Pressoir, conseiller du roi et licencié en l'élection de Tours. Sa mère Marie Cosnier (Hugues, pelletier et valet du roi, et Françoise Yseure), est b. 14-11-1567 à Tours (St-Pierre-de-Boyle).^[19][20]

Sources

1. ↑ [1]
2. ↑ Wikipedia Jehan Denis
3. ↑ An Historical Sketch of the De la Ronde Family - Yves Drolet
4. ↑ Biographi.ca Jean Denys FR
5. ↑ Biographi.ca Jean Denys EN
6. ↑ [2]
7. ↑ [3]
8. ↑ [4]
9. ↑ [5]
10. ↑ [6]
11. ↑ [7]
12. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Jacques (De La Thibaudiere De La Ronde) Denis
13. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Mathurin Denys
14. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Jacques (De La Thibaudiere De La Ronde) Denis
15. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Mathurin Denys
16. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Jacques (De La Thibaudiere De La Ronde) Denis
17. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Mathurin Denys
18. ↑ Source: #S258 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Mathurin Denys
19. ↑ Fichier Nicolas Denys 2018
20. ↑ Dossier Fichier bapt images

• Original data: GenealogieOnline. Coret Genealogie. [8]