Jesse Dodson
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Jesse Dodson (1621 - abt. 1680)

Jesse Dodson
Born in England or Virginia Colonymap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 59 in Richmond, Virginia Colonymap
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There is no evidence and no documents that show Jesse's date or place of birth; the name of his parents; no marriage record; no named spouse; no land records, and there are no records in Richmond county or adjacent counties, Virginia showing that he ever lived there and died there. There is no evidence and no documents to show that Jesse Dodson ever existed in Virginia if at all. All claims about him appear to have emerged from online trees.

Jesse Dodson or Dods does not appear, either as an adult or a child, in the list of those who survived the "Starving Time" and the Indian massacre of 1622 or in the list of the "Muster of the Inhabitant's of the Neck-of-Land in the Corporation of Charles Cittie in Virginia taken the 24th of January 1624[/5].[1]

Roberta Estes states that " . . . there is no record of any Jesse Dodson ever living in Rappahannock County or dying in Rappahannock County in 1680 or anytime, for that matter."[2]

Not the son of John Dods or father of Charles Dodson

One unproven assertion is that Jesse was a son of John Dods of Jamestown and the father of Charles Dodson. However, there is no evidence or documents connecting John Dods to Jesse Dodson, and then to Charles Dodson.

John Dods and wife are listed in the "List of the Living & Dead in Virginia Feb. 16, 1623, and no children are listed in their household and there are no other individuals with the name Dods, Dodds or Dodson in the 1623 list. ". . . Att ye Neck of Land Luke Bays, Mrs. Bays, Robert Halam, Joseph Royall, JOHN DOD'S, MRS. DOD, Elizabeth Perkinson, William Vincent, Mrs. Vincent, . . ."[3]
John Dod's and wife Jane are also listed in "The Muster of the Inhabitant's of the neck-of-Land in the Corporation of Charles Cittie in Virginia taken the 24th of January 1624. The Muster of John Dod's age 36 yeares in the Susan Constant Aprial 1607, Jane his wife aged 40 yeares." John Dod's and wife Jane are not listed as having any children in their household in 1624, when other individuals are listed with children, such as John Price, wife Ann, and Mary, a child aged 3 months.[1] There are no other Dods or Dodson's on the list. There are no records that show John Dods had a son Jesse born in 1621 or had any children born at any other time.

Not the Husband of Judith Hagger

Jesse is claimed on some online trees as having married a Judith Hagger in Jamestown, Virginia on the 17th May 1645.[4]

No reliable evidence has been found for such a marriage, and in fact, no evidence that Judith Hagger was ever in Virginia.

Not the parent of Charles Dodson, Sr

Jesse Dodson and Judith have previously been incorrectly listed as being the parents of Charles Dodson Sr., who was born about 1649, possibly in England or Virginia.

There are no sources or documents that show a family relationship between Charles Dodson Sr., and Jesse Dodson and Judith Hagger. The parents of Charles Dodson Sr. are unknown. The first records of Charles Dodson Sr. is that by 1680, he made a lease of land in Old Rappahannock County, Virginia.[5]

Disputed Death

According to Jean Freshour, Jesse Dodson died in 1680 at Richmond, Virginia Colony; however, Jean Freshour does not provide any source or documentation for the date and place of death.[5]

This profile previously reported that Jesse Dodson died in 1716 at Richmond, Virginia Colony (without evidence or source).

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 John Camden Hotten (ed.), “The original lists of persons of quality... and others who went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700... from mss. preserved in the State Paper Department of Her Majesty’s Public Record Office, England,” New York: Empire State Book Co. (1874); link.
  2. Roberta Estes, The Parents of Charles Dodson of Jamestown Unraveled, #163
  3. William and Mary Quarterly, Vol. 24 No. 2, page 124. and “Colonial Records of Virginia”, R.F. Walker, Superintendent Public Printing, Richmond, VA, 1874, Clemmitt & Jones, Printers, pp 38 – 68; on-line here
  4. Numerous online trees and the highly derivative and questionable U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900. This database states that its original records come from: "a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, queries."
  5. 5.0 5.1 Freshour, Jean Frazier Descendants of John Dodson (sources included) accessed online 3/2/2014




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Well, I have a thought, I have 2 lines to this guy, and 3 lines to other people in the colony. SO, ITS TRUE, no evidence was ever used for jessie, No Dr's certificates, No records, because His mother was Pocahontas cousin cleapatra Powhatan, and the story was. That she saved John Dod from starving, he lived with her as and indian through the starving times., Jessie would have been in an indian village, go for records? They don't exist of course. So there is the quandary. SO WHY DID JESSIE APPEAR OUT NO WHERE? He was a secret half breed and it was all covered up by , william Lewis of Virginia. THE NAME WAS SAVED, It would have been a real stink, with the child needing to be bonded, and never was.

Later Samuel Dodson marries into the william lewis line.

posted by David Martin
edited by David Martin
I'm glad this is still on this website so I have a chance to look through it.
posted by Ronda Lewis
We don't delete profiles at WikiTree, so when we think a person never existed, we don't delete the profile, we mark it as "disproven existence" which we have done here. That means we are always open to making changes based on new evidence, and if we discover evidence that a person really existed, restoring that person is as simple as it can be!
posted by Jack Day
I just checked a few other sites and I'm not the only one looking at this line as of December 2022. I contacted the one with the most information. Maybe everyone got tests for Christmas. :)
posted by Ronda Lewis
This person looks like a good candidate for management by the Disproven Existence Project, but the criteria haven't yet been met -- (1) the narrative under research notes needs to be persuasive that those who claim the person existed are wrong. I would avoid the word "disputed" because that suggests that the discussion is still in play, rather than closed. If someone says Jesse existed or married or did something else, then we need to assert that that statement is not true. (2) he needs to be disconnected from other profiles (people who never existed can't have parents, spouses or children, although it's good to provide links in the narrative to those relatives who are claimed. (3) As a final step, a Disproven Existence Notice needs to be posted in G2G, which challenges others to prove us wrong and find facts that the person actually existed, which would of course be the most positive outcome. After a week, then the Disproven Existence Project can manage the profile.

Rather than spending time worrying about jurisdiction, the best approach is to get the research and writing done so he can be submitted to G2G review!

posted by Jack Day
Thanks, Jack. What specifically is missing? I just re-read the narrative and the case for his non-existence is pretty clear.

There's been a g2g about his non-existence since 31 Oct 2019.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Hi, Jillaine -- I think the difference between "uncertain existence" and "disproven existence" is that with uncertain existence one is raising questions but with disproven, one is making a judgment and in fact asking the WikiTree community to make a judgment. So to illustrate, I just cleaned up the profile and (1) turned the subheadings into assertions and (2) disconnecting his wife (but making sure they are cross-referenced and linked within the narrative. I also just posted a Disproven Existence Notice which basically says, "this is the conclusion we've reached, if you disagree, come up with facts." With a lot of questionable profiles we're not really comfortable being so emphatic -- but I think we can be here, and that is what warrants the disproven existence label!

The word "disputed" was a problem for me -- it suggests that there were two sides to a discussion, whereas in fact, there is only one side -- us who believe that no facts support this person. If there is a valid dispute, that the profile should simply remain with "uncertain existence."

posted by Jack Day
edited by Jack Day
Thanks Jack for taking this to the next level.

And oh, I'm sure that out there somewhere is someone who will dispute his disproven existence....

But as you've seen, there simply isn't any real evidence that he did exist.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Could a leader please add wikitree-disproven-existence[at]googlegroups.com as profile manager and remove US SC as profile manager? Thank you.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I've taken care of it, Jillaine. thanks.
it's been awhile since I did the work to have required to support a profile being designated "Disproven Existence" but I'm not sure that this profile meets the Disproven Existence Project's requirements. And as it is now, it'll trigger a DBE (PPP/project account but no project box).

I've asked someone with a bit more recent experience with the Disproven Existence Project to take a look.

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Dodson-2805 and Dodson-19 appear to represent the same person because: Trying this again. 2805 is a duplicate. Needs to be merged into 19. Please approve and complete this merge. Thank you.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Dodson-2805 and Dodson-19 are not ready to be merged because: See disputed origins in Dodson-19.
posted by Karen (Rollet) Lorenz
Dodson-2784 and Dodson-19 are not ready to be merged because: Not enough data to merge these. Birth locations are different.
posted by Karen (Rollet) Lorenz
Dodson-2784 and Dodson-19 appear to represent the same person because: These appear to represent the same (probably fictional) Jesse Dodson supposedly of early Virginia. We're trying to get this down to one profile to represent this man. thank you.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Dodson-2805 and Dodson-19 appear to represent the same person because: These two profiles appear to represent the same Jesse Dodson of Virginia (who was likely fictional).
posted by Jillaine Smith
I cannot source this profile, probably should be disconnected from the children. I dont dispute he existed, but I dont see where he is connected to the children listed in wiki-tree. other than whatever source they bring to him?
posted by David Martin
Jillian, I have no faith in any of the source really, the reason I say he is who he says he is, ancestry tests concluded that a group of people were DNA related in their testing.

The line is crazy, I dont think its right my self but, I think they are grandchildren of someone in that Dodson group. The problem is the DNA circle says were are all related, the tree says we go here? but like its pointed out these profiles are very iffy! but enough exist to create this issue.

the (Dodson DNA circle) on ancestry, they have evolved to time lines, so I have no idea? and will call him grandfather until someone tells me not to!

The info I have, shows a child Charles at about the dates of the children on wikitree.com is Father /mother, Jessie and Judith. But no actual proof exist that he is the man this line goes to? or if this man was just tied to the children, who also exist in the time frame and area?

kind of like this Anne Jennings is said to never have come to America, But all here sisters and brothers are found in documents but just not her? are documents lacking or did she not get recognized.

Who knows? But I do know that the Profiles below this profile are sourced to a point of that they do exist! if its caused by business, fix it. wikitree.com is free so awesome! I do not recommend any online tree, but wikitree. yes that must surprise my friends here!

The children the grandchildren, although I find dates wrong al the time. People 127 years old, this is not a perfect science. But DNA is only complicating this, by farming people for more DNA instead of just matching lines better or not at all. I mean ancestry started this! We just paid them.

So the DNA showing on the Profiles coming to this profile, is only a small number of people connected on ancestry DNA circle. this is the problem ancestry has caused by selling the info, so they should run tests or something?

posted by David Martin
David, what evidence do we have that he was grandfather of Charles?
posted by Jillaine Smith
I dont think he should be connected to that line shown, because we dont have that evidence, but we do have enough to say he was the grandfather of the profiles below him. But the Jessie Dodson, Charles line does exist in that link below.
posted by David Martin
Here is all Dodson from the period from 1607 to 1776

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/search.php?mylastname=DODSON&lnqualify=equals&mybool=AND


Jessie https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I030604&tree=Tree1 in my opinion their profile is incomplete, but were trying to chase ghosts.

posted by David Martin
Dodson-3988 and Dodson-2784 are not ready to be merged because: These appear to be the same person but there are 2 different fathers.
posted on Dodson-2784 (merged) by Butch Smith

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