James David Douglass

David Douglass

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David D. Douglass aka Douglas
Born 1950s.
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Contents

Biography

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My name is James David Douglas, (the 17th - 19th century historical spelling was Douglass). I was born in Texas to parents of primarily Scotch and English ancestry with a few other varieties thrown in for good measure. Growing up, family history was something no one seemed paticularly interested in besides a great aunt who would on the infrequent occassions I saw her remind me she could be a DAR member, if only she really wanted to. Sounded important ! The only other family member that showed any interest in family history was my dad's father. And so it was that my life-long interest in family history was sparked early on by weekend conversations with my grandfather Douglas. We would often speculate about where our family came from and then he would talk about his childhood growing up in a rural town in North Texas, a conversation often spiced with colorful "Texas Sayings" and grammer you had to be a "native" Texan to fully appreciate.

Because I was born a 5th generation Texan, I was a bit surprised to learn of family connections to 17th and 18th century colonial Americans and early immigrants from "foreign" countries. I figured we were as common as cornbread. Even more surprising was the discovery of direct connections to several notable American and European families. I came to the conclusion that any such connections had to be through my great aunt. After all, she and my great uncle were rich and she could be a member of the DAR, "if she really wanted to".

A genealogical journey

My genealogical journey began as a child with fun weekend car trips with my grandfather Douglas to the rural North Texas town and countryside where he grew up as a kid. Sometimes he would load up the mower and we would go cut the grass at one of the old family home places still in the family. Sometimes we would visit a great uncle or aunt. There weren't many of the old folks still living but conversations would usually revolve around the old days and good times. It seemed to me all those things happened an unbelievably long time ago. But It was worth the time to listen though because the talks usually ended with a trip to Dairy Queen. I'm certain it was because of those times with my grandfather and frequent trips to Dairy Queen, that the questions of how my family ended up in Texas, and where our story started, would began to interest me.

Research was sporadic and difficult at first but I got my first "breakthrough" when I found an old book on Douglas family history at my local library. Through that book I discovered that I was a direct descendant of a Col. Edward Douglas, who alone or in the company of other family members immigrated to the American colonies, whether by choice or neccessity, before 1740. I was both excited and proud to learn that my earliest known ancestor, Col Edward Douglas and his sons served the patriot cause in the American Revolution, and later played prominent roles in the settlement of Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee.

The history of Col Douglas and his family has been researched and well documented. His decendants can be found in hundreds of online family trees and in a number of historical works and books of genealogy. Possibly the best known publication among Douglas family researchers is the 1909 work of a Nashville lawyer by the name of Jay Guy Cisco. Historic Sumner County, Tennessee, by Jay Guy Cisco, is one of the earliest and at that time most accurate references about the descendants of Col. Edward Douglas 1713 - 1795. I found Historic Sumner County, Tennessee to be entertaining, and for the most part an accurate history of Middle Tennessee and the pioneer Bledsoe, Douglas and Cage families of Sumner County, Tennessee. It answered many of my earliest questions regarding my family's history and gave me a good starting place for years of additional research.

Even with the storehouse of information provided by the 1909 Cisco book, there still remained unanswered questions. One of the most elusive and ongoing questions, in spite of many years of research and speculation, is just "who are the parents of Col Edward Douglas" ? Did Edward immigrate to the American colonies alone or with other family ? And exactly when and why did the Douglas family leave their homes and make the long, risky journey to settle in their new adopted homeland ? Historians have documented the reasons for Scottish and English migrations to colonial America and it is almost assured that Edward Douglas followed that early migration path for similar reasons. Although there Is a great deal known about the American history of the descendants of Col Edward Douglas, the question of who his ancestors are is where the trail goes cold.

My Personal Search

My own personal ancestor search began with a growing curiosity about where the Douglas family came from and just who they were ? When I posed those questions to my grandfather Douglas as a child I was surprised that he knew so little about his family regarding who they were and where they came from. Since that time I've spent more than 20 years on a quest to find the answers to those questions. Along the way, like many other family historians with colonial roots, I found connections to both "noble" and not so noble ancestors. I wondered just how many of those "noble" connections were real and how many were the product of "creative genealogy". After all, I had never gotten a birthday card from my "cousin", Queen Elizabeth. Time has taught me that many "royal" connections may be the result of wishful thinking or "creative genealogy". With time came the understanding that the further back you travel in time the easier it is to create royal connections and the harder it becomes to prove or disprove them I also came to find that there are family historians that come hell or high water are determined that they are going to show the world how many "royals" there are in the family tree. Proof optional ! It seems providing proof is considered something that is to be avoided like a crowded room at flu season. But proving or disproving those "shaky" connections has become my passion and for me it has become much more satisfying to have a proven line of 10 commoners than 100 manufactured ties to royalty. I learned the only way to separate fact from fiction is by haviing an open but skeptical attitude, employing careful research methods, and proving each connection, one by one. Without good, verifiable sources and documentation to support family traditions all you have are colorful family stories. I began to suspect that If all the claims of ties to royalty were subjected to thorough research and proper sourcing the number of "Royal" American family trees would be far fewer.

The past meets the present

It was during those early chats with my grandfather that the genealogy bug bit me. I think that the search never ends and will continue as long as there are missing branches and twigs. Occassionally the quest for accuracy also means pruning a few dead limbs from the family tree. Not to worry, for the devoted family historian there are always new stories, connections and cousins waiting to be discovered. I believe the guiding star for every family genealogist should be the quest for accuracy. If you are going to spend valuable time searching for ancestors, you should want them to be real, proven ancestors. With that in mind I've done DNA testing. DNA may not answer every question but believe it can provide another level of accuracy and confirmation . I also think DNA testing may provide valuable information for future family historians. Can you imagine the benefit to you as a family historian if your ancestors 200 - 300 years ago had been able to provide you with the results of their DNA test ?

What's in a Name ?

Douglas (occasionally spelled Douglass) is a common surname of Scottish origin, thought to derive from the Gaelic dubh glas, meaning "black stream or water". There are several places in Scotland from which the surname is derived. This place name has developed into the given name Douglas. Douglas is a habitational name, which could be derived from any of the many places so-named. While there are numerous places with this name in Scotland, it is thought, in most cases, to refer to Douglas, South Lanarkshire, the location of Douglas Castle, the chief stronghold of the Lords of Douglas. The Scottish Gaelic form of the given name is Dùbhghlas; the Irish language form it is Dúghlas, and Dubhghlas, which are pronounced [duːɣləs]. According to George Fraser Black, in southern Argyllshire the surname is an Anglicised form of the surnames MacLucas, or MacLugash (which are derived from the Gaelic Mac Lùcais).[1]

At a time when the use of surnames was new, the spelling of a surname was not yet standardized and many spelling variations resulted, The spelling in many cases depended on who was recording it. Many bearers of the name were not even sure of the spelling, that is if they could write themselves and if they could often used various spellings themselves.

My birth certificate has my name spelled James David Douglas. However, my great grandfather was evidently born with the Douglass, or double s spelling of the last name, and it seems that was the spelling most commonly used for my ancestral Douglass line all the way back to my earliest known Douglass ancestor, Col. Edward Douglass 1713 - 1795. Prior to immigrating to the American colonies the spelling is not known. But even among my earliest Douglass ancestors the last name was also often spelled Douglas. Some descendants are using the Douglas spelling to this day. The Douglass spelling is simply a variation of the surname Douglas. Variations in the spellings of surnames were common and usually the result of an involuntary act such as when a government official wrote a name phonetically or made an error in spelling. It has also been suggested that early family members may have changed the spelling to Douglass when they came to the American colonies to distinguish themselves from their forbears. Since there are no surviving family traditions or stories that provide an clue we will leave it all to speculation.

Early Douglas History

The Douglas name was first found in Moray County, Scotland where they were seated from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of William de Duglas, which was dated 1175, in the "Records of Kelso Abbey", Roxburghshire.

As previously noted, there are several localities in Scotland and Ireland named Douglas, but the one from which the surname is derived in most if not all cases is 20 miles south of Glasgow, in the county of Lanarkshire, situated on the Douglas Water. This place was the original stronghold of the influential Douglas family and their retainers. Several notable Douglas lineages originated from the following families: the old Douglas of Douglasdale (the Black Douglas), illustrious in the Scottish War of Independence; the line of Morton who were closely connected with Mary Queen of Scots; the house of Drumlanrig and Queensberry; and the House of Angus, the Red Douglas. The Douglas family also holds the following titles: Earl of Douglas; Earl of Angus and Earl of Forfar. A notable name bearer is Sir James Douglas, "the good" (1286 - 1330), who set out on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land, carrying the heart of the dead Robert Bruce. A Coat of Arms having a silver shield with a red man's heart, on a blue chief three silver stars, was granted to William Douglas the nephew of the aforementioned Sir James Douglas[2]

Kith and Kin

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American Notables
Black Sheep
English Notables and Royals
North Carolina Connections
Revolutionary War Connections
  • Capt William Douglas (5th great grandfather), Capt William Douglass served in the Caswell County and NC Light Horse Regiments from 1780 - 1782.
Scottish Notables and Royals
  • Walter Stewart (26th great grandfather), 3rd High Steward of Scotland
Tennessee Connections
Texas Connections
Virginia Connections
  • Sen Henry Clay (3rd cousin, 6x). He was Speaker of the House, Speaker of the Senate, Secretary of State and ran for President several times.
  • Capt John Clay (9th great grandfather). Early immigrant to Jamestowne 1613, "Ancient Planter" of Virginia.
  • Dr Charles Clay (8th great grandfather). Participant in Bacon's Rebellion.
  • William Hatcher (10th great grandfather). Member Virginia House of Burgesses, participant in Bacon's Rebellion.
Wikitree Cousins
  • Paula J. (6th cousin, 1x) Wikitree Leader Southern Colonies
  • Liz Shifflett (16th cousin, 3x) Wikitree Leader Magna Carta Project

Current Research Projects

  • DNA analysis suggests a link to John Bruce Douglas line of Virginia. This is under investigation.
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  • Working on Magna Carta profiles
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    Challenge met! David developed a Gateway's profile in Feb. 2018
  • Identifying, developing and improving profiles of early "Ancient Planters" of Virginia.
  • Working as a member/ project coordinator to improve various profiles and family lines within the "Southern Pioneers" project.
  • Creating a "Source Bank" of quality sources arranged by subject and time frame

DNA and Genealogy

From: "Basics of DNA", "The Foundations of Family History Research" by Sandra Hargreaves Luebking, FUGA, and Loretto Dennis Szucs, FUGA [3]

One of the newest developments in genealogy is the use of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) as a source of genealogical information. DNA is the substance within every living cell that carries the code for passing on its exact makeup to new cells, and although DNA is uniquely different for each individual, it is similar in cells of related individuals. As applied to genealogical research, distinctive DNA mutation patterns can be used to determine whether and how closely individuals are related to other individuals whose DNA patterns are also known.

My YDNA Test

I recently did YDNA testing. With only limited knowledge of the use YDNA in genealogical research I was not sure what to expect from my test results other than the possibility of proving my known male ancestral line. I was hopeful for new information but not expecting any real surprises. But I thought it would be great if DNA could help knock down a few brick walls. One of those brick walls is that the parents and ancestors of Col. Edward Douglass, are unknown and although the "American" history of my earliest Douglas ancestor and that of his children and their descendants is well documented, little of his Scottish history and heritage is currently known. Douglass family historians have made speculative guesses about his parentage. Several internet family trees and discussion boards list parents and grandparents for Edward Douglass, however, there is no documentation, sources or proofs that support these assertions. Even after many years of genealogical research Col Douglass's parents are still not known. It is clear that DNA may hold some promise of new discovery but without a good, well documented, well sourced ancestral trail DNA can not be used to it's fullest potential. And as I have learned DNA, although a useful tool for genealogical research, is not a "magic bullet". It can't pull ancestor's names out of thin air. Nothing can replace the time spent in serious research.

David Douglas: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 37 markers, haplogroup I-M253, Ysearch CQPCF, FTDNA kit #442244 matches 36/37 markers Brian Douglas: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 37 markers, haplogroup I-M253, FTDNA kit #251553


My auDNA Test

I have also done auDNA testing which has proved so far to be more useful than my YDNA test in finding connections. Through a analytic software application called Gedmatch you can make connections to genetic cousins. My GEDMatch kit #T824570 and GEDCOM Id 1537834 is used to identify potential matches and compare raw data. It also can give us information about our ethnic makeup that lies hidden in our genes.

My Admixture

Kit Number: T824570 Elapsed Time: 15.88 seconds
Population
North_Atlantic 48.08
Baltic 23.08
West_Med 14.63
West_Asian 5.58
East_Med 2.61
Red_Sea 3.73
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.72
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.15
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.42
Sub-Saharan -

auDNA Matches

Paternal and maternal relationships are confirmed by a 2508 cM match between David Douglass GEDMatch T824570 and his sister Martha (Douglass) Brown GEDMatch T379443. Note: I would substitute the words "supported by" in place of "confirmed" since my father and mother did not do DNA testing. However, the paper trail and primary sources do substantiate both paternal and maternal relationships which are also supported by the DNA evidence.

YDNA Results

When I recieved my YDNA test results I was a bit surprised. I'm projected to belongs to Haplogroup I-M253. I was expecting to be R1a or R1b, a fairly typical Scottish/UK Haplogroup. And as it turns out Haplogroup I1a is not as common among Douglases.

I have a few YDNA matches among other Wikitree members but to date have not found our common ancestor, even though the DNA indicates a relatively close match for at least one kit.

Sources

  1. Wikipedia - Douglas (surname)
  2. The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales: Comprising & Registry of Armorial Bearings from the Earliest to the Present Time, Bernard Burke, Harrison & Sons, 1864
  3. A Guidebook to American Genealogy, edited by Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking, 2006

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Followed Tags
David is a Wiki Genealogy Volunteer following these tags:
ALDRIDGE
Researching Aldridge ancestors of Virginia, Carolinas, Tennessee and Texas
CHISHOLM
Researching Chisholm ancestors of Inverness, Scotland
DEGRAFFENRIED
Researching descendants of Christopher deGraffenried
DNA
Interested in the use and potential of DNA in genealogy
DOUGLAS
Researching Douglas ancestry and related connections Researching ancestry and descendants of Lt Col Edward Douglas, early colonial immigrant to Northampton, Virginia
DOUGLASS
Researching Douglas/Douglass ancestry and related connections. Researching ancestry and descendants of Col Edward Douglas/Douglass (1713 - 1795), early immigrant to Virginia, settler of North Carolina and Tennessee.
ESTES
Researching descendants of Abraham Estes
EUROARISTO
Researching English and Scottish aristocracy
INTEGRATORS
Following G2G posts as a project member
JAMESTOWN
Researching Jamestown ancestors
JOHNSON
Researching Johnson/Johnston ancestors of Scotland and Virginia
LEADERS
Following G2G posts
MAGNA_CARTA
Researching Magna Carta connections
NORTH_CAROLINA
Intetested in the westward migration into North Carolina during and post American Revolution.
PRE-1500
Interested in Pre-1500 profiles
SCOTTISH_CLANS
Researching history and connections to various clans and allied families
SOUTHERN_COLONIES
Interested in westward movements of early colonists/settlers from Virginia through the southern territories/states including primarily the Carolinas, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee and Texas. I have a particular interest in early families of New Kent, Virginia.
SOUTHERN_PIONEERS
An interesting project in which I have an interest and ancestors that fall within the scope of this research project.
TENNESSEE
Interested in Tennessee settlement pre and post statehood (1796)
VIRGINIA
Interested in colonial Virginia, 17th 18th centuries. Interested in Jamestown and "Ancient Planter" profiles. Interested in New Kent county genealogy. Interested in settlement of Tidewater area.


DNA Tested
David Douglass's DNA has been tested for genealogical purposes. It may be possible to confirm family relationships by comparing test results with David or other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
  • David Douglass: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 37 markers, haplogroup I-M253, Ysearch CQPCF, FTDNA kit #442244
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On 23 Feb 2018 at 23:46 GMT Paula J wrote:

Congratulations on becoming a leader!!

On 21 Feb 2018 at 02:27 GMT Andrea (Stawski) Pack wrote:

Hi David....it is I Andrea and appreciate you standing in for me while I was in the hospital. I am still sore but will try to work on my duty at 10pm. tonight. Being Tues evening the 20th of Feb. You have truly kept your word about standing in for my duties. You are very much appreciated my friend.

On 16 Feb 2018 at 20:58 GMT Jen (Falcao) Lieberman wrote:

Hi David! Thank you for reaching out. I'd be happy to help as a Magna Carta Affiliate. I don't have as much time as I'd like to do the hardcore research the team has done so far. Thank you for all you do!

On 12 Feb 2018 at 21:21 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Congratulations David! You have earned the Challenge Met! sticker for February 2018. From the e-mail of this post, copy the coding & paste it into the biography of your profile page. Cheers, Liz
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Challenge met! David developed a Gateway's profile in Feb. 2018

On 9 Feb 2018 at 06:06 GMT James Collins wrote:

Thank you David.

On 9 Feb 2018 at 05:00 GMT James Collins wrote:

David thank you for your interest in Caleb Norton. I know it is not the same man.I was just gathering possible research ideas to look at more closely as time allows.I know most of my family have several things in common.Quakers,originally Mass.roots ,moved though New York to points west,etc.I will investigate the possibility of one Caleb being related to the other. Another coincidence in the record is the reference to Collins family.Normally I would not post a comment on a profile page unless I was certain it applied,but in this case I did not think anyone else would see it. This is the first time I have seen any interest in him. Is there something that you know that may help?

On 6 Feb 2018 at 13:29 GMT Peter Wetzel wrote:

Hi Cousin (17th, once removed, via marriage to my wife who has all the interesting ancestors) - thanks for the informative post on my page regarding my recent addition of the Magna Carta Tag.

It appears that the Magna Carta Project would be a great place to learn how to do genealogy *right*. Their profile pages are well done, as is yours! Yours is a great model of a modern person's profile page, and I hope to emulate it.

Thanks for reaching out!

On 31 Jan 2018 at 01:13 GMT Kristina Wheeler wrote:

Thank you David, I truly enjoying meeting new cousins here - David and Kristina are 18th cousins connected at Erskine-88.

I as well enjoy getting to know those that are here.. and our paths may criss cross through cousins as my Parker side is from Sumner County as well.. Fountain Head to be exact..

On 29 Jan 2018 at 19:23 GMT Pamela (Archer) Wilson wrote:

we have the same ancestors in Charles clay, Hannah Wilson, john garner and Susannah keene, I am tested ancestry dna and gedmatch.com are we connected?

On 29 Jan 2018 at 19:17 GMT Pamela (Archer) Wilson wrote:

were ninth cousins in about 4 different ways

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