David Douglass
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David Douglass

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David Douglass aka Douglas
Born 1950s.
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Biography

My name is James David Douglas, [1]. I was born in Texas to parents of primarily Scotch and English ancestry with a few other varieties thrown in for good measure. Growing up, family history was something no one seemed paticularly interested in besides a great aunt who would on the infrequent occassions I saw her remind me she could be a DAR member, if only she really wanted to. Sounded important ! The only other family member that showed any interest in family history was my dad's father. And so it was that my life-long interest in family history was sparked early on by weekend conversations with my grandfather Douglas. We would often speculate about where our family came from and then he would talk about his childhood growing up in a rural town in North Texas, a conversation often spiced with colorful "Texas Sayings" and grammer you had to be a "native" Texan to fully appreciate.

Because I was born a 5th generation Texan, I was a bit surprised to learn of family connections to 17th and 18th century colonial Americans and early immigrants from "foreign" countries. I figured we were as common as cornbread (I like cornbread). Even more surprising was the discovery of direct connections to several notable American and European families. I came to the conclusion that any such connections had to be through my great aunt. After all, she and my great uncle were rich and she could be a member of the DAR, "if she really wanted to".

A genealogical journey

My genealogical journey began as a child with fun weekend car trips with my grandfather Douglas to the rural North Texas town and countryside where he grew up as a kid. Sometimes he would load up the mower and we would go cut the grass at one of the old family home places, empty and decaying but still in the family. Sometimes we would visit a great uncle or aunt. There weren't many of the old folks still living but conversations would usually revolve around the old days and better times. It seemed to me all those things happened an unbelievably long time ago but It was worth the time to listen though because the talks usually ended with a trip to Dairy Queen. I'm certain it was during those times with my grandfather and frequent trips to Dairy Queen, that the questions of how my family ended up in Texas, and where our story started, began to interest me.

Research was sporadic and difficult at first but I got my first real "breakthrough" when I found an old book on Douglas family history at my local library. Through that book I discovered that I was a direct descendant of a Col. Edward Douglas, who alone or in the company of other family members immigrated to the American colonies, whether by choice or neccessity, sometime before 1740. I was both excited and proud to learn that my earliest known ancestor, Col Edward Douglas and his sons served the patriot cause in the American Revolution, and later played prominent roles in the settlement of Virginia, North Carolina and middle Tennessee.

The history of Col Douglas and his descendants has been researched and pretty well documented. His numerous descendants can be found in hundreds of online family trees and in a number of historical works and books of genealogy. Possibly the best known publication among Douglas family researchers is the 1909 work of a Nashville lawyer by the name of Jay Guy Cisco. Historic Sumner County, Tennessee, by Jay Guy Cisco, is one of the earliest and at that time most accurate references about the descendants of Col. Edward Douglas 1713 - 1795. I found Historic Sumner County, Tennessee to be entertaining, and for the most part an accurate history of Middle Tennessee and the pioneer Bledsoe, Douglas and Cage families of Sumner County, Tennessee. It also answered many of my earliest questions regarding my family's history and gave me a good starting place for additional research.

Even with the storehouse of information provided by the 1909 Cisco book, there still remained unanswered questions. One of the most elusive questions, in spite of many years of research and speculation, is "who are the parents of Col Edward Douglas" ? Did Edward immigrate to the American colonies alone or with other family ? And exactly when and why did the Douglas family leave their homes and make the long, risky journey to settle in their new adopted homeland ? Historians have documented the reasons for Scottish and English migrations to colonial America and it is almost assured that Edward Douglas followed that early migration path for similar reasons. So, although there Is a great deal known about the American history of the descendants of Col Edward Douglas, the question of who his parents and ancestors are is where the trail goes cold.

My Personal Search

My own personal ancestor search began with a childhood curiosity about where the Douglas family came from and just who they were ? When I posed those questions to my grandfather Douglas as a child I was surprised that he knew so little about his family, who they were and where they came from. Since that time I've been on a quest to find the answers to those questions. Along the way, like most other family historians with early colonial roots, I found connections to both "noble" and not so noble ancestors. I've also had tp wonder just how many of those "noble" connections were real and how many were a product of "creative genealogy". After all, to be honest I have never gotten a birthday card from my "cousin", Queen Elizabeth. Time spent in research has taught me that many "royal" connections are the result of wishful thinking or "creative genealogy". With experience also came the understanding that the further back you travel in time the easier becomes to create royal connections and the harder it becomes to prove or disprove them I also came to find that there are family historians that come hell or high water are determined that they are going to show the world how many "royals" there are in the family tree. Proof optional ! It seems providing proof is considered something that is to be avoided like a crowded room at flu season. But proving or disproving those "shaky" connections has become standard proceedure and for me it has become much more satisfying to have a proven line of 10 commoners than 100 manufactured ties to royalty. I learned the only way to separate fact from fiction is by having an open but skeptical attitude, employing careful research methods, and proving each connection, one by one. Without good, verifiable sources and documentation to support family traditions all you have are colorful family stories. I began to suspect that If all the claims of ties to royalty were subjected to thorough research and proper sourcing the number of "Royal" American family trees would be far fewer.

The past meets the present

It was during those early chats with my grandfather that the genealogy bug bit me. I think the search never ends and will continue as long as there are missing branches and twigs. Occassionally the quest for accuracy also means pruning a few dead limbs from the family tree. Not to worry, for the devoted family historian there are always new stories, connections and cousins waiting to be discovered. I believe the guiding star for every family genealogist should be the quest for accuracy. If you are going to spend valuable time searching for ancestors, you should want them to be real, proven ancestors. With that in mind I've done DNA testing. DNA may not answer every question but believe it can provide another level of accuracy and confirmation . I also think DNA testing may provide valuable information for future family historians. Can you imagine the benefit to you as a family historian if your ancestors 200 - 300 years ago had been able to provide you with the results of their DNA test ?

What's in a Name ?

Douglas (occasionally spelled Douglass) is a common surname of Scottish origin, thought to derive from the Gaelic dubh glas, meaning "black stream or water". There are several places in Scotland from which the surname is derived. This place name has developed into the given name Douglas. Douglas is a habitational name, which could be derived from any of the many places so-named. While there are numerous places with this name in Scotland, it is thought, in most cases, to refer to Douglas, South Lanarkshire, the location of Douglas Castle, the chief stronghold of the Lords of Douglas. The Scottish Gaelic form of the given name is Dùbhghlas; the Irish language form is Dúghlas, and Dubhghlas, which are pronounced [duːɣləs]. According to George Fraser Black, in southern Argyllshire the surname is an Anglicised form of the surnames MacLucas, or MacLugash (which are derived from the Gaelic Mac Lùcais).[2]

At a time when the use of surnames was new, the spelling of a surname was not yet standardized and many spelling variations resulted, The spelling in many cases depended on who was recording it. Many bearers of the name were not even sure of the spelling, that is if they could write themselves and if they could often used various spellings themselves.

My birth certificate has my name spelled James David Douglas. However, my great grandfather was evidently born with the Douglass, or double s spelling of the last name, and it seems that was the spelling most commonly used for my ancestral Douglass line all the way back to my earliest known immigrant Douglass ancestor, Col. Edward Douglass 1713 - 1795. Prior to immigrating to the American colonies the spelling is not known. But even among my earliest Douglass ancestors the last name was also often spelled Douglas. Some descendants are using the Douglas spelling to this day. The Douglass spelling is simply a variation of the surname Douglas. Variations in the spellings of surnames were common and usually the result of an involuntary act such as when a government official wrote a name phonetically or made an error in spelling. It has also been suggested that early family members may have changed the spelling to Douglass when they came to the American colonies to distinguish themselves from their forbears. Since there are no surviving family traditions or stories that provide an clue we must leave it all to speculation.

Kith and Kin

Being re-written

American Notables
  • Orville Wright (8th cousin, 5x). American aviator and engineer (uncertain)
Black Sheep
  • Clyde Chestnut Barrow (6th cousin, 2x), American gangster, Clyde of infamous "Bonnie and Clyde" gang (uncertain)
English Notables and Royals
North Carolina Connections
Revolutionary War Connections
  • Col Edward Douglas (6th great grandfather), DOUGLAS, EDWARD SR, DAR Ancestor #: A033694. (verified)
  • Capt William Douglas (5th great grandfather), Capt William Douglass served in the Caswell County and NC Light Horse Regiments from 1780 - 1782. (verified)
Scottish Notables and Royals
  • Sir George Douglas (15th great grand Uncle) "Master of Angus" (uncertain Johnson/Irvine lineage)
  • Archibald Douglas(16th great grandfather), "5th Earl of Angus" (uncertain Johnson/Irvine lineage)
  • Archibald Douglas (19th great grandfather), "5th Earl of Douglas" (uncertain Johnson/Irvine lineage)
  • Robert l Bruce (20th great grandfather), Robert l "King of Scotland" (uncertain Johnson/Barclay lineage)
  • Walter Stewart (27th great grandfather), 3rd High Steward of Scotland (uncertain Allen lineage)
Tennessee Connections
Texas Connections
Virginia Connections
  • Sen Henry Clay (3rd cousin, 6x). He was Speaker of the House, Speaker of the Senate, Secretary of State and ran for President several times.
  • Capt John Clay (9th great grandfather). Early immigrant to Jamestowne 1613, "Ancient Planter" of Virginia.
  • Dr Charles Clay (8th great grandfather). Participant in Bacon's Rebellion.
  • William Hatcher (10th great grandfather). Member Virginia House of Burgesses, participant in Bacon's Rebellion.
Wikitree Cousins
  • Paula J. (6th cousin, 1x) Wikitree Leader Southern Colonies
  • Liz Shifflett (12th cousin, 2x) Wikitree Leader Magna Carta Project

Current Wikitree Projects

  • DNA analysis suggests a link to John Bruce Douglas line of Virginia. This is under investigation.
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David is Magna Carta Project co-leader
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Challenge met! David developed a trail in March 2018
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Challenge met! David developed a Gateway's profile in Feb. 2018
  • Identifying, developing and improving profiles of early "Ancient Planters" of Virginia.
  • Created a "Source Bank" of quality sources arranged by subject and time frame

DNA and Genealogy

From: "Basics of DNA", "The Foundations of Family History Research" by Sandra Hargreaves Luebking, FUGA, and Loretto Dennis Szucs, FUGA [3]

One of the newest developments in genealogy is the use of DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) as a source of genealogical information. DNA is the substance within every living cell that carries the code for passing on its exact makeup to new cells, and although DNA is uniquely different for each individual, it is similar in cells of related individuals. As applied to genealogical research, distinctive DNA mutation patterns can be used to determine whether and how closely individuals are related to other individuals whose DNA patterns are also known. This information can be used to give added support to paper trails.

While DNA may hold some promise of new discovery it has become clear that without an accurate, well documented, well sourced paper trail DNA can not be used to it's fullest potential. As I have learned DNA, although a useful tool for genealogical research, is not a "magic bullet". It can't pull ancestor's names out of thin air. It can not validate "poor" or erroneous family trees, Nothing can replace the time spent in careful, serious research.

My auDNA Test

I have also done auDNA testing which has proved in some ways to be more useful than my YDNA test in finding connections. Through the use of an analytical computer application called Gedmatch it is possible to make connections to genetic cousins. From these matches triangulation groups can be established to help support links to common ancestors. My GEDMatch kit #T824570 and GEDCOM Id 1537834 is used to identify potential matches and compare raw data. auDNA testing can a;so give us information about our ethnic makeup that lies hidden within our genes.

My Admixture

Kit Number: T824570 What I have found is that my ethnic makeup is primarily of European origins.

auDNA Matches

Paternal and maternal relationships are confirmed by a 2508 cM match between David Douglass GEDMatch T824570 and his sister, GEDMatch T37xxxx. Note: I would substitute the words "supported by" in place of "confirmed" since my father and mother did not do DNA testing. However, the paper trail and primary sources do substantiate both paternal and maternal relationships which are supported by the DNA evidence.

My YDNA Test

When I recieved my YDNA test results I was a bit surprised. I was projected to belong to Haplogroup I-M253. while I was expecting to be R1a or R1b, a fairly typical Scottish/UK Haplogroup. And as it turns out Haplogroup I1a is not nearly as common among Douglases.

YDNA Matches

I have a small number of YDNA matches among other Wikitree members but to date have not found our common ancestor, even though the DNA indicates a relatively close match for at least one kit.

Sources

  1. the 17th - 19th century historical spelling was Douglass
  2. Wikipedia - Douglas (surname)
  3. A Guidebook to American Genealogy, edited by Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking, 2006

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It may be possible to confirm family relationships by comparing test results with David or other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
  • David Douglass: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 37 markers, haplogroup I-M253, FTDNA kit #442244
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Any further work on Anne Jennings and her lineage? she still shows connected to the Barkhams on the wikitree. She is an ancestor of my wife. Any help appreciated

-Ron

posted by Ron Carback
You have been amazingly helpful and supportive for me as a newbee here. Thank you! Your profile is also wonderful and inspired be to begin to do a bit more with my own. Thanks!
I found your Wiki Tree profile on Find a Grave. I photograph cemeteries for the Texas Headstone Project Website. While photographing Shannon Cemetery I stumbled across Elva Douglass and noticed that her headstone photo wasn't on Find a Grave so I added it.
posted by Katrina Miller
Thank you Katrina I appreciate it
posted by David Douglass
I meant to write Dripping Spring Cemetery. I always get those two confused.
posted by Katrina Miller
David

1. David is the son of David Starr DNA confirmed 2. David is the son of Howard LeRoy Starr [unknown confidence] 3. Howard is the son of John Ambrose Starr [unknown confidence] 4. John is the son of Albert Starr [unknown confidence] 5. Albert is the son of Jared Starr [confident] 6. Jared is the son of Freelove (Bailey) Starr [confident] 7. Freelove is the daughter of Benjamin Bailey [unknown confidence] 8. Benjamin is the son of Mary (Chapman) Bailey [unknown confidence] 9. Mary is the daughter of Hannah (Lester) Chapman [unknown confidence] 10. Hannah is the daughter of Hannah (Fox) Lester [unknown confidence] 11. Hannah is the daughter of Thomas Fox [unknown confidence] 12. Thomas is the son of Anne (Honeywood) Fox [unknown confidence] 13. Anne is the daughter of Alice (Barnham) Honeywood [unknown confidence] 14. Alice is the daughter of Judith (Calthorpe) Barnham [unknown confidence] 15. Judith is the daughter of Martin Calthorpe [unknown confidence] 16. Martin is the son of Richard Calthorpe [confident] 17. Richard is the son of John Calthorpe [unknown confidence] 18. John is the son of Richard Calthorpe Esquire [unknown confidence] 19. Richard is the son of William Calthorpe [unknown confidence] 20. William is the son of Oliver Calthorpe [confident] 21. Oliver is the son of Isabel (Lovell) Calthorpe [unknown confidence] 22. Isabel is the daughter of John Lovel [unknown confidence] 23. John is the son of Joan (Ros) Lovel [unknown confidence] 24. Joan is the daughter of Isabel (Albini) de Roos [confident] 25. Isabel is the daughter of William (Albini) d'Aubigny [confident] 26. William IV is the son of William (Albini) d'Aubigny [confident]

According to Wikitree relationship finder, William (Albini) d'Aubigny 39 is my 24th Great Grandfather it also stated that I had 30 other connections to 7 of the Barons that signed the Magna Carta. Can the WikiTree family Relationship connection finder be trusted?

posted by David Starr
Hello David,

My name is Sarah and I’m the Project Coordinator for the Scotland Project. As you may have heard, we have merged the Scottish Clans project into the Scotland Project. I am contacting you today to find out if you are interested in continuing with us under this new format. If you would like to go forward on the Scottish Clans Team, please reply and let me know which clans you have been working on or would like to work on. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best Regards,

Sarah Mason, Scotland PC

posted by Sarah Mason
David and Jennifer are 19th cousins

David Douglass and Jennifer Holland are both descendants of Leonard Hastings. This makes Leonard the 18th great grandfather of David. This makes Leonard the 18th great grandfather of Jennifer. 270 common ancestors were found between David and Jennifer within 30 generations. We are related through my mother's side of the family.

P.S. Does it show that you are related to everyone in the Magna Carta Project? It shows the following when I compare their accounts to mine [Holland-7748] in the relationship finder.


There is a direct ancestral relationship. William III (Albini) d'Aubigny is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Hugh (Bigod) le Bigod is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Henry (Bohun) de Bohun is the 27th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Gilbert (Clare) de Clare is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. John (Clavering) FitzRobert is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Robert FitzWalter is the 27th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. John (Lacy) de Lacy Knt is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. William Malet is the 27th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Saier (Quincy) de Quincy is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Robert (Ros) de Ros is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.

There is a direct ancestral relationship. Robert de Vere is the 26th great grandfather of Jennifer Holland.


William and Jennifer are first cousins 28 times removed. William (Huntingfield) de Huntingfield and Jennifer Holland are both descendants of Saer (Quincy) de Quincy.

William III and Jennifer are first cousins 27 times removed. William III (Lanvallei) de Lanvallay and Jennifer Holland are both descendants of Maud (Unknown) de Bocland.

William and Jennifer are second cousins 27 times removed. William (Mowbray) de Mowbray and Jennifer Holland are both descendants of Walter (Gant) de Gant.

Geoffrey II and Jennifer are fourth cousins 25 times removed (Uncertain). Geoffrey II (Say) de Say and Jennifer Holland are both descendants of Unknown Peverel.

posted by Jennifer Holland
edited by Jennifer Holland
oh my! Just saw your Aldridge tag... My Aldridge line is from Maryland/Virginia to Kentucky to Mississippi. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:The_Aldridge_Family:_England_to_America ... anybody look familiar?

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Yes sir, I joined southern pioneers group. Seems the prefect fit for my profiles.
posted by David Martin
Well Dave you have one of the most interesting lines to me. See my mother and father are 6th cousins to the scotish line to the throne.

That gives me the same lines twice.

But run yourself against me martin-32982 Then run my father martin 32984 Against you.

Look at those lines carefully.

posted by David Martin
Yes just by coincidence, I'm reading the history of early tennesee, incudling the Douglass, Cage and Bledsoe familys.

By J.Guy Cisco. A great uncle of mine.

posted by David Martin
Douglas is from Douglass lines from early colonial America the lines go to John of gaunt. At least three known lines exist with Douglas in that line. Douglas to James Stewart. If you want to see that, run the relationship finder king James of Scotland to me.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/search.php?mylastname=DOUGLASS&lnqualify=equals&mybool=AND

here is one of those connections showing Douglas in my line way back.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Adams-12&person2_name=Martin-32982&gen=30

it is a connection to president John Adams. It shows the Douglas line, in my line to him and to john of gaunt. His to john of gaunt.

The more interesting of these lines go through the Bledsoe, a famous patriot line in the colonies. They are married into the Douglass family many times and most colonial family's from Virginia are related to the Douglass CLAN.

I cant even tell you how many DAR or SAR lines go to those people, they are American patriot royalty.

posted by David Martin
Hi David,

I sent you a private message concerning the Southern Pioneer Trail. By the way, we are 11th cousins twice removed through William Hatcher and Hugh Hanford  :)

posted by Sarah Mason
9th cousin 3x removed. Hi.
posted by Marsha Turner
David, re: Johnson-36467 I didn't mind changing Quaker box to Quaker sticker, if that wasn't correct its nothing that can't be undone.
posted by Lynette Jester
Congratulations on making more than 100 contributions to WikiTree for the month of June!

We all appreciate your efforts to make our Shared Tree the best it can be.

Keep up the great work and THANK YOU!!

Shannon

WikiTree Appreciation Team

But funny, the purpose of polling is to Weed out the members who are inactive. When I added the topic of "3) Check out the Southern Pioneers Project to see if you are interested.." It is working the other way.

We were planned on 3 contacts.. Some people take 6 messages.

posted by Mary Richardson
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bethel-118

wants to join Southern Pioneers. She has S. Colonies badge. I have her listed on my list. by tomorrow, I should be starting the table.

I think I will try to do table with both listed.

By Friday, Debi and Eowyn will probably remove the "No-answers", etc.

mary

posted by Mary Richardson

David is 27 degrees from Ludwig Kraayenbrink, 17 degrees from Henry VIII of England and 29 degrees from Ferdinand von Zeppelin on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.