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James Downing Sr (abt. 1721 - abt. 1762)

James Downing Sr
Born about in Conococheague Hundred, Prince George's, Province of Marylandmap [uncertain]
Son of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 41 in Cumberland, Province of Pennsylvaniamap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 3 Dec 2014
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The Birth Date is a rough estimate. See the text for details.

Biography

Per researcher Joe Downing with regard to James' son John: "We have more definite dates on John Downing and his family because his daughter-in-law, Elizabeth Ellis Downing (wife of son Reason), had a family bible compiled in the mid 1800's. John was born 10 May 1749 probably in Western Maryland near where Conococheague Creek runs into the Potomac River. This is based on information from descendants of his brothers indicating their birthplace as being in that area.However it may have been in the southern area of PA claimed by MD. The family bible states he is the son of James and Susannah Downing. This is the only reference I have ever seen to his parents. John married Susannah Ellis 19 February 1770, probably in Cumberland Co., Pennsylvania. She was born 8 September 1750 and the Bible shows her as the daughter of Ellis Ellis and his wife Nancy. If so she would have been the sister of Nancy Ellis who married Timothy Downing and brother of Isaac Ellis who married Nancy Downing. The Downing family was in Western Pennsylvania near Redstone Old Fort in the early 1770s. John appears in the Ohio Co., Virginia Court Records for that area on 7 September 1778, he and Isaac Ellis being examined and found not guilty of murder. (See Crumrine's Book, p392 and Loveless, Vol III, p36). This was in an area claimed by both Virginia and Pennsylvania."[1]

Research Notes

The following was from taken from the web site of Pennie Gilbreath Thompson and posted in 2012 on ancestry[2]:

We believe that James Downing was born ca 1725 (infered from known 1749 birth date of John, believed to have been his third oldest child) probably in Prince George's., MD. For years, Downing researchers have declared that James was born in 1729 either in PA or Ireland. The only evidence we have found to support that statement is: On Friday, Oct. 18, 1745, Stourton Edwards, in St. Mary's Co., MD, reported a runaway Irish servant named James Downing, ca 20 years of age. That indicates he was born about 1725, about the time our James, the father of John was born in 1725. This may have been origin of the legend, still unproven, of place and year of birth. Most do not believe this is our James.

From his marriage, James and family lived in Conococheague Hundred, Prince Georges Co., MD, near the Potomac, on Conococheague creek. The confluence of those two streams is near the town of Willaimsport in present day Washington Co., MD. In 1750's and for many years after, both MD and PA laid a claim to large areas that ultimately became parts of PA. On Dec. 10, 1748, Frederick Co. was formed from Prince Georges this is the vicinity of the Downing family home. Jan. 25, 1750. Cumberland Co. PA was formed from Lancaster Co. and included the twp. Antrim, Pennsboro.

Mar. 30, 1750, settlers were warned by the secretary of the Province, Mr. Peters, to leave the settlement at Great Cove, in Cumberland Co., as the land still belonged to the Indians. The settlers so warned included John MacClelland, James Downey (Downing) , and several MacConnells. The Great Cove is less than 20 miles north of the Downing Home.

Sept. 27, 1750. A petition to James Hamilton Esq, Gov of PA, from inhabitants of Great Cove, Included the name James Downey. 1751 Many of the settlers turned out of Great Cove appeared in Antrim and Peters townships. James Downing was appointed by the court of Frederick Co., MD as constable for the Salisbury Hundred. We believe that he returned to his earlier residence until such time as residence at the Cove would be legal.

Jan. 22, 1753. Land warrants in Antrim Township, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania were issued to Robert and James Downing.[3]

Feb. 5, 1753, one James Downing was given a patent for 175 acres on the headwaters of Smith's Creek, County Augusta, Va. This patent is in Boles book and it is of historical, as well as genealogical, interest because of the unique wording and of the privileges granted.

1754 PA purchase of land from Indians included Great Cove area. July 1761, Cumberland Co. PA Created Ayr twp. On Nov 27, 1761, a Cumberland Co. deed in which John Leard was grantor, mentioned the adjoining lands of John McClellan, James Downing and Adam McConnell in the Grest Cove. In 1771, Bedford Co and Westmoreland Co were created from Cumberland, Ayt then lay in Bedford. James Downing died in Cumberland Co., PA possibly in May or June 1762. The tax list of Aair twp., Cumberland Co., PA for that year included among others: John Downing (brother of James?) 50 acres unseated land, Widow Downing, 200 acres unseated land. James had owned land there in 1761.

The proven sons and the widow of James Downing (ca1721-1762) all lived in the 1780's in that portion of Washington co. overlapped by the three VA countries formed in 1776. All four sons served in the Revolution from the Brownsville area of Washington co., PA. It has been established that John Downing (1749-1826) and his brothers Robert and Timothy moved to Mason co., KY ca1789, from Washington County, PA. James Downing (1750-1822, another known brother, was with the others in Washington County before their move to Kentucky. James died in Stark Co., Ohio;. No record that he ever was in Kentucky has been found to date, but his descendants spread over Ohio and westward.

Children: Joseph, John, James, Robert, William, Timothy, Catherine, Jane, Nancy Ann.

PM Note: All of the above "facts" are presented with no source citations. (This is because they are presented as 'research notes', not facts, for the PMs to review and research and are, as noted, from Pennie Gilbreath Thompson. Hopefully one or more of the profile managers will research.)

Sources

  1. http://www.tbgen.com/downing/james/jdhistory.html
  2. https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/t/h/o/Pennie-L-Thompson/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-1483.html
  3. Pennsylvania, U.S., Land Warrants and Applications, 1733-1952 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. - https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27821923?h=94c6e1&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url




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Downing-4402 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: same name, same dates of birth and death, same father. Please review the notes on Downing-4402. The profile managers should review and determine if 4402 is not a duplicate and attached in error to the father and the son that is a known brother of the children listed on Downing-1188, in which case his father and son should be detached and the son attached to Downing-1188. Thanks.
Downing-1188 and Downing-4402 do not represent the same person because: Please stop proposing this merge.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Scott Anderson
Scott, please advise why you keep postponing and/or rejecting this merge. A month ago you asked to have the three duplicate profiles for son John merged first. That has been done, even though the generally accepted practice at Wikitree is to first merge any duplicate parents. If these are not the same person, or you don't believe them to be the same person, please advise your reasoning for such. They have the same name; same dates of birth and death; and same father.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
You have absolutely no sources on this profile. Saying they are the same does not make it so. Several PM's have commented on Downing-1188 merges and most of their concerns have not been answered either.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Scott Anderson
It's not my profile, so the source comment should be directed to the profile manager. The profile manager has a son attached who is known to be the brother of the children attached to the same-named James (with the same parents). I'm the one that added the research notes to the other profile, so I have been researching to assist with this. As noted, please advise your reasoning for rejecting the match of people with the same name, birth/death dates, and father. At present they are 'clearly' the same man. It would be great if the profile manager would respond and let us know if she has the wrong father and son attached to this James (in which case they should be detached) or if she intended them to be the same person. Proposed merges allow 30 days for people to review and determine if they are indeed the same. Let's try and get this figured out. Thanks.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Downing-4402 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates.
Downing-1188 and Downing-4402 are not ready to be merged because: The same reason as 30 days ago.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Scott Anderson
This conflicts with DNA results but I'm sure unsourced Ancestry accounts are far more accurate than DNA. These Downings lines have MANY conflicting "facts." It is made more confusing because they used the same names over and over (to this day) and they traveled the same migration path for about 75 years.
posted by Cheryl Rothwell
Downing-4402 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicates; please merge. Father also has duplicate profiles and need merging, as do three sons named John. Thanks.
Downing-1188 and Downing-4402 are not ready to be merged because: Please get the 3 sons named John on Downing-4402 resolved before merging these.
posted by Scott Anderson
Downing-1188 and Downing-4402 are not ready to be merged because: Please get the 3 sons named John on Downing-4402 resolved before merging these.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Scott Anderson
Hi Scott, is there a reason that you felt the merge couldn't sit there waiting as a proposed merge? When merges get set as unmerged matches, they tend to be forgotten and overlooked.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Yes, because of the number of managers on Downing-1188 and the fact that after 30 days anyone can complete this merge. It seems to me it might take longer than that to resolve the 3 Johns issues. Given the attention these profiles are getting I doubt it will get forgotten. I will support this merge once the other issues are resolved.
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Scott Anderson
You said you would support the merge once the issue of the three duplicates for John were resolved. Those were resolved, but now you've rejected the merge...
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Should we merge the 3 John Downings first to eliminate the duplications?
posted on Downing-4402 (merged) by Betty (Theis) Flood
Downing-4402 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: possibly the same person. See various notes in children's profiles.
Downing-1796 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate. This merge was previously rejected for dubious reasons. Please contact me (WTID Murtaugh-30) if you are confused about the merge, I am happy to explain.
If Timothy Downing of Ireland is not James' father why is he shown as such??? There is nothing other than a name attached to Downing-1796. What is the harm in merging them? It will change nothing.
posted by Scott Anderson
Downing-1796 and Downing-1188 do not represent the same person because: Timothy Downing of Ireland was not James' father.
posted by Joe Gibbs
Downing-1796 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: Downing-1796 is unsourced and unconnected to the tree. DOB is similar, DOD is the same, place of birth and death are the same. I propose nothing from 1796 be used on 1188.
posted by Scott Anderson
Downing-3019 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: These profiles look to be the same person.
posted by Scott Anderson
"Personal recollection of events witnessed by Joe Gibbs as remembered 3 Nov 2018"

Wow Joe! You must be really old!  :)

posted by Scott Anderson
Downing-1470 and Downing-1188 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate