Controversy - Co-Mingled Records; Source to Source Discrepancies Edwards-7481 05:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Elizabeth Lett vs Elizabeth (Duncan) Southern (b.1791) (daughter of Charles Duncan and Peggy Kirk) Married John Southern and Abraham Lett
vs Elizabeth Southern (b 1820) (daughter of John Southern and Elizabeth Duncan) Married Floyd Duncan and Michael N. Miller
Elizabeth Lett was Charles' daughter (alive in 1870) (Pension App & Census) and the Widow (of Thomas) Elizabeth Southern m. Abraham Lett (Tipton Co IA Records)
Elizabeth Southern (b. 1820 was Daughter-in-law of Charles and m. Floyd Duncan (son of Charles Duncan and Peggy Kirk) -- (She was dau of John Southern and Elizabeth Duncan)
Speculation - It would appear from records that Floyd Duncan married his niece; although there were other contemporary Elizabeth (Southern's) in same area/same timeframe.
Estimated Location most likely Wolf Creek, Giles County); (Unspecified in Bible, but Generally accepted that Charles' children born Wolf Creek, Giles Co)
New River Settlement - "Giles Co. VA History - Families" ". . .came in the year of 1782 . . . . a little later came Charles Duncan. . . . ; "(Faquier Fauquier Co. VA Marriage Bonds, typed, Vol.I (FHL film 31,633; from index on FHL film 31,632 Marriage Bond Charles Duncan to Peggy Kirk, 27 May 1786, bond Charles Duncan and John Stewart, pg.188; Less likely to be Culpeper or Tazewell Bible record of Charles and Margaret named Elizabeth Duncan (b. Jan. 20, 1791) confirmed by Bible records of John Southern and Elizabeth
vs imports - disproven
Birth: Date: 20 JAN 1786 Place: Ireland (Place of birth: Ireland per Jaq McMahon (jacnamc@netdex.com)
Birth: Date: 20 JAN 1791 Place: Tazewell, Virginia, United States Source: #S287 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Charles William Southern
Other information as contained in the death record of Charles W Southern (1829-1921 (disputes imported information referenced - interesting to note that spouse also reflects a Elizabeth Southern) from Illinois Stillbirths 1916-1947," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N32W-6F8 : 8 March 2018), Elizabeth Duncan in entry for Charles W Southern, 07 Dec 1921; Public Board of Health, Archives, Springfield; FHL microfilm 1,570,828.
Name: Charles W Southern
Event Date: 07 Dec 1921
Event Place: Viola, Greene, Mercer, Illinois
Gender: Male
Race: white
Age: 92
Birth Year (Estimated): 1829
Birth Date: 08 Apr 1829
Birthplace: Giles Co, Virginia
Father's Name: John Southern Father's Birthplace: VirginiaMother's Name: Elizabeth Duncan Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Occupation: farmer
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Southern
Burial Date: 10 Dec 1921 Place: Mercer Co Cemetery: Carnahan Cemetery
Marriage
Married. 1st John Southern About 1804-1805 in Giles Co., Virginia
(son of William Southern and Magdalen Ford) identified as a son of William in William's 1794 will and deed Stokes County Deeds, Book 2, page 112. [3]
Birth August 25, 1774 (or 1776) Stokes Co., N. Carolina[2]
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Married. 2nd Abraham Lett (1788-1865) Jan 20, 1842 Tipton Cedar Co IA[5]
(son of Unknown) born about 1788 Virginia; migrated about 1841 to Tipton from Richland Co Ohio
1842 Census - History of Cedar indicates Abraham Lett and five children, Mrs. Abraham Lett and five children (Abraham Lett’s first wife (Elizabeth Barnhart) died Oct. 9, 1841, being the first death occurring in Tipton, and he married the widow Southern on the 20th of January, 1842.)[4][6]
Free African-Americans: One of a relatively small number of African-Americans who were not slaves. They may have been granted their freedom from their owners, bought their freedom, or by a grant of freedom from the state of residence.
Information extracted from newspaper "THE TIPTON ADVERTISER", Tipton, Iowa; Submitted by T.L. Winekauf, April 18, 2013; Death Notices August 1860, January 21, 1864 to February 1868
Lett Abraham 22 Aug 1865 75 Years Unknown Cause of Death Tipton, Cedar County, IA
Death
Death Estimate Jan. 22, 1873 Cedar County, Iowa[7][8] vs 1878 Cemetary Record vs 9th of October, 1891 (McClure Bio[6] )
Death: Date: 22 JAN 1873 Place: Cedar, Iowa, United States Source: #S287 Page: Database online. Data: Text: Record for Charles William Southern
Census
1850 Household Role Sex Age (Birthplace discrepancy)[6]
Abraham Lett M 64 Virginia (1786)
Elizabeth Lett F 61 North Carolina (1789)
Margt A Lett F 16 Ohio (1834)
Ellen Lett F 14 Ohio (1836) (m. Smith and McClure)[9]
Alvin Lett M 13 Ohio (1837)
John Lett M 11 Ohio (1839) (m. Caroline Draucker 23 Nov 1865
(5th child presumed to be Elizabeth Lett m. John S Tuthill, Deputy Recorder and Justice of the Peace Tipton; born in the city of New York, July 22, 1814 (Married Elizabeth Lett, from Ohio, in 1843[5]; they have two children—Carrie and John S.; have lost three—two sons and one daught) http://iagenweb.org/cedar/1878history/bio-centertwp.htm
1860 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Abraham Lett M 70 Virginia
Elizabeth Lett F 68 Virginia
Alvin Lett M 21 Ohio
John Lett M 20 Ohio
Ellen Smith F 23 Ohio
Robert Smith M 4 Iowa
Frank Smith M 26 New York
[10]
1870 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Elizabeth Lett Female 79 Virginia
Alvin Lett Male 31 Ohio
Ellen Smith Female 33 Ohio
Robert Smith Male 14 Iowa
John Mcclyde Male 47 Pennsylvania[11]
↑RW Pension Application of Charles Duncan W22973 Margaret (Peggy) Duncan VA
Transcribed and annotated by C. Leon Harris. Revised 28 Nov 2013. Mercer Co Ill Buford Duncan Affidavit; In addition to the copy of the family record referred to by Buford Duncan, the file includes an original record certified on 23 March 1840 by Braxton Duncan of Mercer County IL (child of Charles and Peggy as Elizabeth Duncan was born Jan 20th 1791
↑ 2.02.12.2 Transcribed Bible Record indicates John Southern (b. August 25, 1774 (or 1776) m. Elizabeth Duncan (b. Jan. 20, 1791) transcribed by Southern Family Researchers; The Southern Family in North Carolina
↑ Cedar County Iowa 1910 Topical History, Towns and Townships; Bio of John McClure indicates stepmother of Mrs. McClure passed away on the 9th of October, 1891
↑ "United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJL-BHT : 12 April 2016), Elizabeth Lett, Iowa, United States; citing p. 3, family 27, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 545,879.
FHC Records (No Images - Index Only) "Iowa Marriages, 1809-1992," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XJLX-NYM : 10 February 2018), Abraham Lett and Elizabeth Southern, 20 Jan 1842; citing Cedar Co., Iowa, reference 2:3RBNLHN; FHL microfilm 986,805
Duncan family marriages, mostly before 1850 with other information Author: Nancy Reba Roy; Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1983.
(Most likely son of Elizabeth Duncan and brother of Elizabeth m. Floyd Duncan) Bio of Charles Southern (son of John and Elizabeth Duncan) Pg.742-743: CHARLES W. SOUTHERN, farmer, Green Township, Mercer County, was born in Giles County, Va., April 8, 1829
Charles Southern "Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N32W-6F8 : 8 March 2018), Elizabeth Duncan in entry for Charles W Southern, 07 Dec 1921; Public Board of Health, Archives, Springfield; FHL microfilm 1,570,828.
WikiTree profile Duncan-1296 created through the import of O'Bryan Family tree.ged on Sep 6, 2011 by Tim Tropeck.
WikiTree profile Ducan-1 created through the import of O'Bryan Family tree.ged on Sep 6, 2011 by Tim Tropeck.
Source: S287 Author: Ancestry.com Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006;
Duncan-8887 was created by Nicole Lynch through the import of 435da9_211730du5b7q955b74a82a.ged on Feb 8, 2017
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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Elizabeth by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA.
However, there are no known mtDNA test-takers in her direct maternal line.
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Elizabeth:
Duncan-8887 and Duncan-1296 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, same spouse, same DOD and location. But location and date of birth are very different. Needs more research