William James Duncan (abt. 1585 - abt. 1688)

Born about 1585 in Cupar, Fife, Scotland

Ancestors

Descendants

Died about 1688 at about age 103 in Scotland

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Discrepancy

No original source records have been located to confirm birth, marriage or death records. It appears that some erroneous information may have been published, and perhaps republished/reported, making the “actual facts” obscure. There is a great deal of conflicting information surrounding William – Many Source-to-Source discrepancies; co-mingling, Lack of records; conflicting family stories; number of Duncan’s with the same names, etc.

• Several name variations -- Duncane, Duncanne, Dunkin
• Children for John Duncan and Jonet Andro are lacking source documents. (Births Estimated between 1551 to 1575)
• Lineage Needs To Be Proven
• Unproven family relationships.
• Only Sources for the connection to William Duncan and Susan Haldane are:

1. Comparison of Sources Summary
2. VanDyke Bible (Thomas of Cumberland) (the inference is that Wm and Jonat are the Parents of William I m. Haldane '(". . . .And William also was a son of William and Janet who survived him. ")

• Date Discrepancies -- Birth vs Death - Possibly William [1] married 2X – (1 Haldane 1636 & 2 Mcarthur 1647)
  

Speculation

Jonat MacArthur married William Duncan (Minister) as 2nd wife; (about 1642)

1. Possibly Minister of Kilpatrick and William Duncan/Haldane represent same individual - VanDyke Bible infers William and Jonet are parents of William m. Haldane (separate individuals - may be in error - may in fact be missing generation (date discrepancies)
2. William (presumed son of John/Andro) also married a Jonet Unknown; and is presumed father of [[Duncan-3192 | William Duncan I/Haldane])
3. William who m. Margaret Forbes --may be parents of William Duncan/Haldane or Forbes as another spouse)

Paternal Line Speculation

John m. Andro

• William m. Forbes (b. 1570's)

William b. 1590's m. McArthur
William b. 1613 m. Haldane

Biography

William Duncan is a member of Duncan Clan.

William Duncan (the presumed son of John and Jonat Andro. (Unproven) Estimated Birth 1575-1610 (Petlocey, Cupar) Scotland
Marriage Estimate 1595 -1630

if Jonat is a 2nd wife; marriage about 1647 ^{[1] [2]}

Death Estimate Unknown, 1688 = probably before 1700; possibly Dundee, Dumfries (or Sterling) Scotland ^[2]

• William Duncan married Jonat MacArthur (Possibly the Minister of Kilpatrick)

Children

Children of Presumed Parents William Duncan and Jonet MacArthur Identified in Sasines and Fasti records:

• William b. about Jun 7 1613 m. Susan Haldane ^[3]) (^{[1] [4] [2]})
  
• Alexander b. about 1629 ^{[5] [2]}))
  
• John about 1630 (vs.b. 1648) ^{[4] [2]})
  

William Duncan Minister of New Kilpatrick

Mr. William (New Kilpatrick) was documented in the Fasti; confirms spouse as Jonet MacArthur. [ b. 1627 d. . 1692 (age 65) [m estimate abt 1647] Janet McArthur ] (Vol 3 p.356)

“William, M.A. b about 1627 King’s Coll., Aberdeen; M.A. 1648/ Asst. Auchindoir 21 Oct. 1652 – 1653. Kildrummy (before) 18 July 1666-1689. Driven from his charge in 1689, d. 1692. Married Janet Macarthur, and had issue — William ; probably also Alexander, min. of Kilbirnie. — [Reg. Old Dec, iii. ; Rule's Sec. Vindication ; Argyll Sas., ii., 254.] .:”

Further documentation showed “William's furniture was thrown out of the Manse and he himself had to flee for his life”. [The Scottish expression "cast out of the living"] This appears to be a commonality among William’s descendants

Son, Alexander (the Bishop) and Alexander’s son Robert (a Minister), were all “outed by the people”. It does seem feasible that this may be the basic reason for the migration to the US. – They may not have all been Brothers – but a combination of families (and/or children) which were “related”, thus accounting for the various traditional “common stories & ancestors” and possibly date errors in the bibles.^[2][6]

Sasines

Children: [b aft 1647 ]
(1) Eldest son (b abt 1648) of Mr William [1] was William [2], who married Margaret Forbes. [m. abt 1668 Children b aft 1668] ^[7]

(1) Son William [3] [b abt _1669_ died before 24 September 1725.

(2) His younger full brother John (b abt 1670) was his heir, so William [3] died, before 27 September 1725 without legitimate surviving issue.

(3) There is no testament for William [1], his son William [2], or for William [3].

(4) John Duncan (transfers ownership) of the land to Mr Alexander Duncan ^[8])

Biography References

^{[1] [2] [4] [5]}

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Dumbarton -- page 356, Book entitled: New Kilpatrick [Presb. of Dunbarton]. 1666: re WILLIAM DUNCAN; M.A. (King’s College, Aberdeen, 1648)
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6} Sasine Joneta alive and wife of Mr. William as of 1688 Mr. William had grandson by 1688 [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/2 ff. 254v-255v] At Dumbarton, 8 December 1688. Sasine of 'ten-shilling land', the lands of Lochbrae, lying in the parish of Easter Kilpatrick, being part of the Regality of Lennox, in the County of Dunbarton. 'Ten-shilling land' refers to the assessed value of the property at some remote time. The lands of Lochbrae were a part of the 'five-pound land' of Killermont, so the lands of Lochbrae are a tenth part of the lands of Killermont. Land-holding in Scotland since about the year 1150 has been by 'feudal tenure'.
3. ↑ Bible
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} Comparison of Sources Summary
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae]; the succession of ministers in the Church of Scotland from the reformation.. by Hew Scott;
   Snods of Fife, Angus and Mearns (Edinburgh 1925) pg 192 Vol 5
   Vol 3 p.356 William New Kilpatrick
   

   Duncan Sasines (1) [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/2 ff. 254v-255v] At Dumbarton, 8 December 1688]
   (2) [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/5 ff. 267-268v] At Dumbarton, 27 October 1725]
   (3) [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/6 ff. 25v-26] At Dumbarton, 22 April 1727]
   (4) . [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/8 ff. 413v-414] At Dumbarton, 29 June 1754]
   (5) [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/9 ff. 266v-267v] 21 April 1761]
   (6) . [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/9 fo. 271] 21 May 1761] (7) [Scottish Record Office, ref. RS10/9 ff. 268v-269v] At Dumbarton, 11 May 1761]

6. ↑ [The Snell exhibitions: From the University of Glasgow to Balliol college, Oxford; By William Innes Addison
7. ↑ Williame Duncan m. Margaret Forbes in Saint Nicholas,Aberdeen,Aberdeen,Scotland 07 Jul 1612 (fhc 991138) This seems to equate to Alexander Merchant of Aberdeen)
8. ↑ Prob Son Alexander {b 1655; d. 1733 (age 78); m. abt 1675; Wife Unknown] )
   (Alexander has dau Grizell b 1727(? m. 2X?) (listed in Sasine) – and son Robert (b. abt 1686

See also:

• (See Comparison of Sources Summary
• Contains Anjou Notes - Heapgen]
• Laura Henderson Research Transcription of Fasti text
• Transcription of Sasines by Connie Adkins
• Possible Birth

• See also FHC FHC Community Tree (sources) re John Duncan 1600–1684 • L6PM-4B8

Acknowledgement

Mary Ann Duncan Dobson "Duncan Research Files" (Consolidated, sourced and acknowledged); and the many Duncan Researchers that have provided information.
The Genealogy Bug
Home page contains links to:
Duncan Surname Association (DSA)
The Clan Donnachaidh website: http://www.robertson.org
The DNA website: http://www.familytreedna.com
The DNA results to-date: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/clandonnachaidh/

import of FAMILY.GED on 08 May 2011.

• http://www.Ancestry.com

(Pre Merge Note Father is Wm vs John Please approve Merge - Mentor Assist - Duncan Families Info at (Lowest LNAB) Duncan- Duncan-3192 is correct Merges proposed to Lowest LNAB's to correct inadvertently created duplicate profiles. (FAG/Ancestry/ Errors - date/Location/Parent Wm vs John per Bible Records) Final Haldane-40 & Duncan-3192 is correct)