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Honor Elder (1689)

Honor Elder
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WARNING; THIS PROFILE MAY CONTAIN MATERIAL PERTAINING TO MORE THAN ONE PERSON.Day-1904 14:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Contents

Biography

1689 Birth and Parents

Honor Elder was born October 12, 1689, the daughter of John Elder, a large landowner of the Patapsco. [1]

1708 Marriage

On April 8, 1708 by the rector of St. Ann's church, Honor Elder was married to John Dorsey, son of Colonel Edward Dorsey. (Note -- the St. Anne's Parish Register notes that on this date John Dorsey married Honor St.--) [1]

Children

Children of Honor and John Dorsey. [2]

Note: These are children of John Dorsey and his wife Honor -- but it is not certain at the moment if it is Honor Elder or another Honor who was the mother.Day-1904 05:26, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

  1. Hannah Dorsey, born Oct 26, 1709, [2] married Adam Barnes[1]
  2. Ruth Dorsey, born Oct 15, 1710, [2]married first Benjamin Lawrence and second Unknown Tunney.[1]
  3. Michael Dorsey, born Mar. 15, 1712/3, [2]married Ruth Todd.[1]
  4. Sarah Dorsey, born Oct 15, 1715, [2]married Henry Howard.[1]
  5. Jemima Dorsey, born December 12, 1717, [2]married Charles Elder and Joseph Hobbs.[1]
  6. Susannah Dorsey, born Dec 6, 1720,[2]married Levin Lawrence.[1]
  7. Patience Dorsey, born May 7, 1722,[2] married Samuel Howard.[1]
  8. Vachel Dorsey, born oct 20, 1726, [2]married Ruth Dorsey[1]
  9. Edward Dorsey, born oct3 1728, [2]married Betty Gillips[1]
  10. Nathan Dorsey, born Aug 11, 1731, [2]married Sophia Owings.[1]

Research Notes

Family Search: Honor Elder Stafford

Family Search may have comflated Honor Elder and Honor Stafford

Family Search Record: [3]

The Family Search site shows Honor Elder Stafford (12 October 1689 – 1756) born in Annapolis, Anne Arundel County, Maryland. [3]

The Family Search site shows Honor's death at 1756 in Anne Arundel County, Maryland and her burial that year in Ellicott City, Howard, Maryland. The location is probably the same, as the Ellicott City area was in the Howard District of Anne Arundel before the creation of Howard County itself. [3]

The Family Search site shows Honor married John Dorsey Sr (1688–1764) on 8 April 1708 at the Anne Arundel Circuit of the Methodist Episcopal Church. This is impossible as John Wesley, founder of Methodism, was not born until 17-- and the Methodist Episcopal Church was not created until after the American Revolution.[3]

Family Search gives the following children of Honor and her husband John Dorsey Senior:[3]

  1. Hannah Dorsey (1709–1789)
  2. Ruth Dorsey (1710–1782)
  3. Michael Dorsey (1711–1776)
  4. Honor Dorsey (1714–Deceased)
  5. Sarah Dorsey (1715–1790)
  6. Susannah Dorsey (1717–1770)
  7. Jemima Dorsey (1720–1770)
  8. Vachal Dorsey (1726–1798)
  9. Edward Dorsey (1728–1788)
  10. Nathan Dorsey (1731–1773)

Caution

John Dorsey, b. June 15, 1688, has one wife, b. 12 Oct 1689, who is currently presenting as two. Differences need to be resolved as to which was his wife:

  • Honor Elder-115, who may also be Honor Stafford, mother of Jemima who married a Dorsey
  • Honor Stafford-175, mother of Nathan, Edward, Michael, Vachel and Edward. The Stafford connection needs to be researched. There may be a genuine Honor Stafford who has become confused with Honor Elder.

Disambiguation: Multiple John and Honor Elders

Michael Dorsey III was the son of Michael Dorsey II and Honour Elder who were first cousins.

Michael Dorsey II was the son of Michael Dorsey I and Ruth Todd. Honour Elder was the daughter of Jemima Dorsey, the sister of Michael Dorsey I; Jemima Dorsey married John Elder, born 1708

Michael Dorsey I and his sister Jemima Dorsey were both children of John Dorsey and his wife Honor Elder, b. 1689. Honor's father, in turn, was John Elder, b. 1660.

Jemima's husband John Elder, born 1708, was the son of John Elder, b. 1683 and his wife Mary Morris.

Creating an ancestral chart for Michael Dorsey III will display these relationships.

Some have her as Honor Elder and there is an Honor Elder who married Michael Dorsey and this may be cause of the confusion; but according to recorded Dorsey history John Dorsey married Honor STAFFORD and is related to William Stafford. I think she is his daughter. Please see attached documents from the Hall of Records, Annapolis, MD! [4]

Robert Dorsey Website

Some sources attempt to give Honor both family names. Doing so is probably in error.

Honor (Elder?) Stafford [5]

Honor (Elder?) Stafford Honor (Elder?) Stafford (b. October 12, 1689, d. 1757) [5]

Honor (Elder?) Stafford 165 was born October 12, 1689. [5]

Birth: Oct. 12, 1689 Anne Arundel County Maryland, USA Death: 1736 Anne Arundel County Maryland, USA [4]

Honor Stafford was born in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, Oct. 12, 1689 [6]

Honor (Stafford) Dorsey was born October 12, 1689 (67) in Annapolis, Anne Arundel County, Province of Maryland.[4]

Honor was the daughter of John Stafford the Elder and Mary Stafford[4]

1701 Honor Stafford named in will of Honor Marriarts

Marriarts, Honor, 5th Mch., 1701; 25th Apr., 1701.

  • To son Daniel, ex., Honor Stafford and daus Margaret and Eliza:, personalty. *To son Edward, ½ of estate, real and personal.
  • To dau. Rachel, residue of estate, real and personal.
  • Test: Chas. Burges, Mahitaball Holland, Nich. Humphery. 
11. 21. [7]

Honor Sta....... is thought to have been the Honor Stafford who was left personalty in the will of Honor Marriarte, 25 Mar 1701. (Wills 11, f.21) Honor Marriarte was the mother of Rachel, who m 1) Benjamin Lawrence and 2) John Norwood, nephew of John Dorsey. Honor Marriarte and her husband Edward, were left personalty in the will of Richard Russel in Lower Norfolk Co, VA in 1667. It is also thought that Honor Sta....(Stafford) Dorsey was related to William Stafford who married Sarah Todd, widow of Thomas. Honor Dorsey was living in 1756 when she signed a deed of gift to her children. Since her name does not appear on later deeds, or in the will of her husband, it seems probable that she died soon after this date.[4]

1708 Marriage of Honor St. to John Dorsey

The Parish Register of St. Anne's Church, Annapolis, records a marriage on 8 March 1708 between John Dorsey and Honor St. --. [8]

Honor Stafford -- shown in the original record as "Honor St." -- married John Dorsey, 8 April 1708, at St Anne's Parish in Anne Arundel County. [6]

Mike Marshall interprets the bride to be Honor Stafford and reports that on 8 March 1707/08 in St. Anne's Parish, Anne Arundel County, he married Honor Stafford, b. 14 Jan 1688/89 in Anne Arundel County, Maryland, d. 1756, Anne Arundel County, Maryland (Age 66 years) [9]

Warfield makes Honor be Honor Elder, and John Dorsey to be John (of Edward). "At sixteen years of age he married Honor Elder, heir of John Elder, a large landholder upon the Patapsco, near Sykesville." [10]

Find-a-Grave combines the accounts and has Col. Dorsey marrying Honor Elder on 8 April 1708 at St. Anne's Parish, adding that Honor was born in 1689 and died in 1756. [11]

Various ancestry sources repeat the 8 April 1708 date [12] combined with St. Anne's Parish [13] although there are other ancestry sources that identify John Dorsey's marriage year as 1711.[14]

She married John Dorsey on April 8, 1708 in St. Anne's Parish, Anne Arundel County, Maryland, son of Edward Dorsey and Sarah Wyatt.[5]

Marriage: April 8, 1708, St. Anne's Parish, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.[5]

She married Col. John Dorsey, 8 April 1708, at St Anne's Parish in Anne Arundel County. They had ten children: 1. Hannah Dorsey 2. Ruth Dorsey 3. Michael Dorsey, Sr. 4. Sarah Anne Dorsey 5. Jemima Dorsey 6. Susannah Dorsey 7. Patience Dorsey 8. Vachel Dorsey 9. Edward Dorsey 10. Nathan Dorsey[4]

She died 1756 (66) in Anne Arundel County, Province of Maryland and was buried there.[4]

Spouse: John Dorsey (1688 - 1764)* [4]

Death

Honor Elder died 1757 .[5]

Honor Elder Dorsey died in 1756, aged 67, in Anne Arundel County and is assumed to be buried on the family's property at "First Discovery" (now part of Howard County, Maryland).[11]

Honor Stafford Dorsey died in 1756, aged 67, in Anne Arundel County and is assumed to be buried on the family's property at "First Discovery" (now in Ellicott City, and part of Howard County, Maryland).[6]

Honor Elder Dorsey died in 1756, aged 67, in Anne Arundel County and is assumed to be buried on the family's property at "First Discovery" (now part of Howard County, Maryland).[4] Burial: First Discovery Plantation Ellicott City Howard County Maryland, USA [4]

Children

Honor was the mother of Hannah Barnes; Ruth Rumney; Michael Dorsey; Honor Dorsey; Jemima Dorsey and 6 others [4]

Names and dates of John and Honor Stafford Dorsey's children are from J. H. C. Watt's bible said to be the oldest Dorsey Bible in existence.[4]

Children: Michael Dorsey (1711 - 1776)* Jemima Dorsey Elder (1720 - 1773)* Calculated relationship[4]

Children of Honor (Elder?) Stafford and John Dorsey are:[5]

  1. Hannah Dorsey, b. August 26, 1709, d. 1789, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  2. Ruth Dorsey, b. October 15, 1710, d. 1782, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  3. Michael Dorsey, b. March 19, 1711/12, d. December 20, 1776, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  4. Sarah Dorsey, b. October 15, 1715, d. 1791, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  5. Susannah Dorsey, b. December 15, 1717, Anne Arundel, Maryland, d. Aft. 1769, Dorsey's Grove, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  6. Jemima Dorsey, b. December 6, 1720, d. Bef. 1773, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  7. Patience Dorsey, b. May 7, 1722, d. April 5, 1747, Anne Arundel County, Maryland.
  8. Vachel Dorsey, b. October 20, 1726, Queen Caroline Parish, Anne Arundel County, Maryland165, d. 1798, Anne Arundel County, Maryland165.
  9. Edward Dorsey, b. October 25, 1728, d. Aft. 1788.
  10. Nathan Dorsey, b. August 11, 1731, d. July 10, 1774, Baltimore County, Maryland.

They had ten children: [11] 1. Hannah Dorsey 2. Ruth Dorsey 3. Michael Dorsey, Sr. Michael Dorsey (1711 - 1776)* 4. Sarah Anne Dorsey Sarah Dorsey Howard (1715 - 1791)* 5. Jemima Dorsey 6. Susannah Dorsey 7. Patience Dorsey 8. Vachel Dorsey 9. Edward Dorsey 10. Nathan Dorsey

The children of Honor and John were Hannah, Ruth, Michael Sr, Sarah Anne, Jemima, Susannah, Patience, Vachel, Edward, and Nathan Dorsey. [6]

Hannah Dorsey Barnes (1709 - 1789)*[6] Hannah Dorsey Barnes (1709 - 1791)*[6] Michael Dorsey (1711 - 1776)*[6] Sarah Dorsey Howard (1715 - 1791)*[6] Edward of John Dorsey (1728 - 1790)*[6]

Sources

  1. ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 Harry Wright Newman. Anne Arundel Gentry: A Genealogical History of Twenty-Two Pioneeers of Anne Arundel County, Maryland and Their Descendants. Maryland Pioneer Series, 1933. Reprinted Markham, Virginia: Apple Manor Press, www.yesterbooks.com, 2009. Pages 42-44
  2. ↑ 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 The names and dates of their children's birth were taken from the Watts Bible, said to be the oldest Dorsey Bible in existence. Harry Wright Newman. Anne Arundel Gentry: A Genealogical History of Twenty-Two Pioneeers of Anne Arundel County, Maryland and Their Descendants. Maryland Pioneer Series, 1933. Reprinted Markham, Virginia: Apple Manor Press, www.yesterbooks.com, 2009. Page 43
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 Family Search. Honor Elder Stafford LCFV-WD6 © 2019 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. A service provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Accessed 8/13/2019 jhd
  4. ↑ 4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 Geni Honor Stafford Managed by: James Hutchison. Last Updated: December 1, 2016. Accessed August 13, 2017, jhd
  5. ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 Robert Dorsey Website Accessed August 8, 2015
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 6.7 6.8 Honor Stafford Dorsey.
  7. ↑ Wills of Maryland residents from 1635-85, Maryland Calendar of Wills: : Volume 2, VOLUME II. Cited at Geni Honor Stafford Managed by: James Hutchison. Last Updated: December 1, 2016. Accessed August 13, 2017, jhd
  8. ↑ F. Edward Wright, Anne Arundel County Church Records of the 17th and 18th Centuries. Westminster, Maryland: Family Line Publications. No date. page 65.
  9. ↑ Mike Marshall. Early Colonial Settlers of Southern Maryland and Virginia's Northern Neck Counties Accessed August 12, 2017 jhd
  10. ↑ J. D. Warfield, The Fonders of Anne Arundel and Howard Counties, Maryland Baltimore, Regional Publishing Company, 1973. p. 397
  11. ↑ 11.0 11.1 11.2 Find a Grave
  12. ↑ Ancestry Source A
  13. ↑ Ancestry Source B
  14. ↑ Ancestry Source C

Acknowledgements

WikiTree profile Elder-660 created through the import of Raimondi-Owens Oct 2012.ged on Oct 24, 2012 by Jim Owens. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Jim and others.





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Day-1904 Jack Day
Elder-660 and Elder-115 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, birthdate, spouse.
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Gerard-337 Michelle (Gerard) Hartley
Do you have a birthdate for Honer?
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