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Peter Elder II (abt. 1620 - 1674)

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Peter Elder II
Born about [location unknown]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] in Dinwiddie County, Virginia, USAmap
Descendants descendants
Father of
Died in Rappahannock, Virginiamap
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Contents

Biography

BIRTH

Peter Elder
Birth: probably before 1643, assuming age 21+ when he witnessed a court deed in 1664.
Note: Various genealogies found on the internet have Peter's birth year as early as 1590, while others say 1620. Therefore, some genealogies have separated Peter into two people; father and son, with the older Peter born in 1590, and the younger Peter born in 1620.
Place of birth: unknown.
There is no basis for assumption.
Various genealogies says anywhere from Scotland to Rappahanok Co. VA.

PARENTS

Parents: unknown. There is NO documentation to explain any parents.

BOOK REFERENCE

The book: A History of the Fawcetts and Related Families in America
by William Bloys Fawcett, published in 1996.
The above book appears to be referring "our" Peter Elder, because it states Peter had a Will dated 4/27/1674 in Rappahanok County, Virginia.
This book also says Peter was probably born in Scotland, and came to America in the early 1600's. It goes on to say, Peter "fell in love with the merchant's daughter, and with her father's consent, they were married in the adjacent Dinwiddie County, Virginia courthouse (Marriage Records)." And then later moved to Rappahanok County, Virginia.
Note: although this book references "Marriage Records", they neglect to give the merchant's name, or the daughter's name, or the date of marriage. No other sources (or implied sources) are given in regard to Peter Elder.
An earlier version of this story, was published in 1938 by W. Shannon Elder. He says it was JOHN ELDER who came from Scotland in 1669, and married the merchant's daughter. And goes on to say their "marriage at Dinwiddie Court House, Virginia, and is on record there until this day".
A copy of the 1938 document in the DAR library in Washington, DC., headed: "History of Elder Family, As Published in Oconee Enterprise, Watkinsville, Georgia, September 24, 1937 – January 14, 1938, by W. Shannon Elder."
Note: Again, there is no source information, and I have also read that a fire destroyed all Dinwiddie county records, prior to 1835.
Conclusion: There is not sufficient evidence to determine 1) when Peter was born, 2) where Peter was born, 3) who is Peter's father, 4) who is Peter's wife, 5) or when Peter married

DEATH

Death: 1674, per his Will.
He died between 28 April 1674 (will written) and 5 August 1674 (will proved).
Place of Death: assume Rappahannock County (Old), Virginia, based on his Will.
Note: Richmond County was created 16 April 1692 from Rappahannock (Old) County.

WILL of PETER ELDER

Peter Elder's Will, dated 28 April 1674, proved 5 August 1674

(Old) Rappahannock County, Virginia, Wills, Deeds, etc. Book 1, Pages 161-162
In the name of God Amen. The last will & testament of Peter Elder being in pfect sense and memory I do bequeath my soul to God and my body to the earth ~ I do bequeath my sonn Peter Elder unto Mr. Richard Peacock, he being my sons Godfather whom I have made choice of above all others and as for what stock of cattle I have I give to my son Peter, and a heifer of three years old due by bill from John Arnold due to be paid according to bill – and as for what stock of cattle I give to my son Peter, Mr. Peacock to have the benefit of them until my sonn comes to be one and twenty {page 162} years of age Mr. Peacock to have the male and my sonne the female and as for my Plantation and all moveable goods etc Mr. Peacock to take into his custody until the boy comes to be one and twenty In this appoint my loving friend Mr. Richard Peacock to bee my Executor in full in whole and to the true fform and of this my last Will & Testament I sett my hand and seal this 28th of April 1674
Signum
Peter E Elder Seal
Signed sealed & delivd
in presence of us –
George Howell
Richard Applebee (R A his mark)
Wee George Howell and Richard Applebee do declare that wee did see the within mentioned Peter Elder sign seal and publish this within mentioned to bee his last will & testament and that he was then in pfect mind and memory to the best of our judgmts As witness our hands this 5th of August 1674
George Howell
Signum
Richard R A Applebee

WIFE

Wife: name unknown.
Peter did not mention a wife in his 1674 Will.
She may have died before Peter wrote his Will.
The age of their child suggests wife's birth between 1611 and 1648.
It is possible wife's maiden name was MANSELL, based on a 1665 Land Deed, where Capt. David Mansell gave land to Peter Elder. [Reference 1665 deed in Abstracts section]
There appears to be no further evidence, as to the identity of Peter's wife.

CHILDREN

It appears Peter and his wife only had one child (Peter), who was a minor at the time Peter's Will was written. Reference the names mentioned in the Will of Peter Elder.

RECORDS

Peter Elder is found in the following records in Rappahannock County, Virginia:
1664: Peter Elder witnessed the Power of Attorney of Mary Samford to Thomas Freshwater
1666: Peter Elder obtained land from Capt. David Mansell
1675: Peter Elder's dwelling house is mentioned in a 1675 deed from William Wheeler
Each of these records are detailed below.

ABSTRACTS

Records abstracted by Bob Elder, found on:
http://www.peterelderva.info/notes/elder_notes/elder_notes_gen1/elder_notes_gen1.html
1664 Deed Abstract: Peter Elder witness
James Samford of Rappahannock County Planter and wife Mary Samford Grantee
Quintan (Quintillian) Shereman of Rappahannock County
Terms: 1400 pounds of tobacco and cask
Description: 200 acres, part of a Patent to James Samford, near Totoskey Creek, adjoining land of Edward Lewis and Roger Williams (who purchased from William Barber), to have "without the denial of us ... or any person whatsoever only Indians excepted"
Witnesses: Francis Sethe and Thomas Freshwater
Date: 13 October 1664
Power of Attorney: Mary Samford appointed Thomas Freshwater her attorney to acknowledge the sale
Witnesses: Peter E (his mark) Elders and Giles Webb
Date: 14 October 1664
Recorded: 18 January 1664 (1665)
Source:
Ruth and Sam Sparacio, Records, 1656–1664, (Old) Rappahannock County, Virginia, pages 339–340
Records, 1656–1664, (Old) Rappahannock County, Virginia, pages 339–340; 
Microfilm Reel 1 (Rappahannock County, Virginia) – Library of Virginia
1666: Deed Abstract: Peter Elder land
Grantor: Capt. David Mansell
Grantee: Peeter Elder
Terms: Only payment mentioned: for ninety nine years from the date hereof a grain of Indian corn yearly to be paid at the Feast of St. Thomas
Description: A parcel of land (number acres not stated), adjoining land of Mr. Luke Billington and Mr. Baylies
Witnesses: George Howell and Gregory Buispoole
Date: 22 March 1665 (1666)
Power of Attorney: Capt. David Mansell appointed Thomas Freshwater his attorney to make over the land to Peeter Elder
Witnesses: George Howell and John Roberts
Date: 1 May 1666
Recorded: 10 May 1666
Source:
Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Deed Abstracts of Old Rappahannock County, 
Virginia, 1663-1668, Virginia County Court Records, 1989, page 3 (pp. 8-10).
Microfilm Reel 2 (Old Rappahannock County) – Deeds & C, No. 3, 1663- [166]8 c, Unpaged index, 535 p. Film of Original, Library of Virginia
1675: Deed Abstract: Peter Elder house
Grantor: William Wheeler
Grantee: Robert Wood
Terms: 1800 pounds of tobacco and cask
Description: One hundred acres in the County of Rappahannock and Parish of Farnham, near to Farnham Creek, commonly known as the Hoghouse land, and formerly belonging to Capt. David Mansell deceased; divided from the land of George Howell and David Fristo on the Eastermost side by a line of marked trees, and from the land that Mr. Robert Baley lays claim to which line runs on the Eastermost side of a path which goes from the abovesaid house to Baley’s quarter, and running Northeasterly from the line which divides between the said house and Peter Elder’s dwelling house almost to the said Baley’s quarter
Witnesses: John Cleere and Richard Hines
Date: 2 January 1674 (1675)
Recorded: 6 January 1674 (1675)
Source: 
Sparacio, Ruth and Sam, Deed Abstracts of Old Rappahannock County, Virginia, 1672-1676, Virginia County Court Records, 1989, page 49 (pages 259-260).

Footnotes


Acknowledgments

Thanks to Donna Kunkle for starting this profile. Click the Changes tab for the details of contributions by Donna and others.
Jonathan Watson. See the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Elder-413
Jonathan Watson. See the [http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:NetworkFeed&who=Elder-414


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I would like to detach Mary Mansell from Peter Elder. There is no evidence for this marriage. The closest I can find, is a Land Deed in 1665, where Capt. David Mansell gave land to Peter Elder. This suggests the possibility that Peter Elder married a MANSELL. However, it does NOT suggest it was MARY Mansell. Mary’s timeline (as it stands now) is whacky. The dates do not make sense. It shows she married two different husbands in 1640, and had children by both husbands... while married to both husbands. It shows Mary Mansell and husband AXTON, both died in 1687, but it two different locations. It appears it would be best to detach Mary Mansell from Peter Elder, until her timeline can be straightened out, and their marriage confirmed.
posted by L Adcox
The wife Mary Mansell b. 1620 attached here is correct, and the father Peter Elder b. 1590 is also correct. But the mother Elizabeth Presley b. 1666 is in error. I believe that the wife of Peter b. 1590 is not known. So I am going to detach the mother Elizabeth Presley here.
posted by Steven Mix

Peter is 23 degrees from Greg Clarke, 17 degrees from George Hull and 13 degrees from Henry VIII of England on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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