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On 30 Oct 2018 at 19:28 GMT Isabelle Rassinot wrote:
Could you please add wikitree-french-roots at googlegroups dot com as manager? Please contact us if there are any questions or issues - Thank you !
On 2 Jun 2017 at 20:38 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
Thank you and it's a pleasure really, started working on them when we were trying to figure out if they were really related or not to NNS ancestor Jean Mousnier (de la Montagne), it showed they were not related and when I looked for sources for Jean Mousnier I bumped into the source where Michel de Montaigne was mentioned + some Mousnier men.
So I was (and still am) hoping perhaps one of them, might be related to the NNS ancestor. So still lots of work to do and glad Isabelle is around helping to get them sourced and improved also ..so a thank you from me for you as well Isabelle !
On 2 Jun 2017 at 17:44 GMT Jody Katopothis wrote:
I found this profile through some of my ancestors leading back to him (on Wikitree). I adopted the profile as it had no one else managing. I have not researched the original sources that were used to create the profile. Thanks again to those who are working on it now, and I look forward to reading and learning more.
On 2 Jun 2017 at 17:31 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
For Euroaristo profiles we have decided a while ago, for Profiles after 1500 it was ok to use the names according their convention instead of the Euroaristo one, and of course if we have records this could apply for earlier ones also.
It mostly depends under which project they are falling I think, this family was imported as supposed ancestors of New Netherlands Settlers, they are using their convention instead of ours, so the patronymics, or the full names including the prefixes if people used or signed this way themselves. And if there's a Birth or Baptism record the name they were born with of course.
The Euroaristo naming system was invented in the past to make it more easy to get all duplicates merged and lineages corrected. (with everyone on the same page and names without the prefixes, and just the house names to make it more easy for everyone) Later with more projects and members from different countries, it was also decided that it was ok to use their convention instead of ours if profiles were falling under a different project.
So it can be confusing sometimes, but for Michel the way he signed his name probably is fine..or would you prefer to have the Eqyuem part added to his LNAB also ?
On 2 Jun 2017 at 12:07 GMT Isabelle Rassinot wrote:
"(on the book) we can still read: Today was born Michel Eyquem de Montaigne, but the name Eyquem was struck out twice"... " See also Montaigne's French Wikipedia page. It is my impression Michel's ancestors were born with just Eyquem as LNAB; Michel's generation would be Eyquem de Montaigne; his brother's sons were eventually just de Montaigne. Michel himself stopped using Eyquem when he was at the Parlement de Bordeaux. His father was mayor of Bordeaux as Pierre Eyquem. I'm not sure Aristo rules would apply, but if they do, it would be Eyquem for Michel and his siblings.
On 2 Jun 2017 at 11:59 GMT Isabelle Rassinot wrote:
"It was Michel who, the first of the family, relinquished the name of Eyquem. He was the first to stop signing it on public records, though it was the name under which his birth was recorded, under which he was named to the Cour des Provisions des Aides de Périgueux, and later Conseiller à la cour du Parlement de Bordeaux (...) His father and uncles kept it (the name Eyquem) to their last day. He (Michel) probably struck it out himself from the family book where his birth is recorded." See: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k210008n/f14.image
On 2 Jun 2017 at 11:51 GMT Isabelle Rassinot wrote:
On 2 Jun 2017 at 10:15 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
On 2 Jun 2017 at 08:44 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
I have uploaded the record for him now also, he signed as Michel de Montaigne (rapporteur). I think he perhaps was the writer of the piece as well ? Rapporteur probably meant he was writing it all down (klerk), since he is known as a writer..so he or his family (don't know if his father already did) at some point adopted the name of the château 'de Montaigne' for last name..
So I understand what you mean, and it's of course possible they, including Michel, were all born with just the LNAB Eyquem and later they all or some of them, adopted the name de Montaigne ? Here it says:
So I think the children probably all were born with 'de Montaigne' for LNAB, father and earlier ancestors weren't so their LNAB should indeed be corrected.. it also looks like he did not have a sister named Madeleine..
On 2 Jun 2017 at 05:24 GMT Isabelle Rassinot wrote:
I'll do some more research. The family was definitely Eyquem up to an including his father (first member of the family to be born at the château de Montaigne). They were merchants gradually reaching lower nobility status. The wikipedia article only says "Montagne dropped the name Eyquem" suggesting it was his birth name. I agree that's a lightweight reference.
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