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William (Ferrers) de Ferrers (1140 - 1191)

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Sir William "3rd Earl of Derby" de Ferrers formerly Ferrers
Born in Tutbury, Staffordshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married about [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died in Acre, Jerusalem, Palestinemap
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Categories: Conflated Profiles | Earl of Derby | Third Crusade | Seige of Acre 1189-1191 | Knights Templar.

Multiple people may be conflated in this profile, i.e. information about different people may be combined and confused.

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Research Note

At some point there has been one or more really bad merges and Walkelin or Walchelin de Ferrieres, the Norman ancestor of the Ferrers family has been merged with his great great grandson, William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl of Derby, with probably another Walchelin de Ferrers as well. More work will have to be done to decide which wives and children belong to which profile.

Given the amount of biography it seems more logical leave this profile as William, 3rd Earl of Derby and change the first name and preferred name, and recreate a profile for the 2(?) Walchelin profiles, if other ones don't already exist.

Please handle these changes with care, so that more mistakes aren't made Thankyou Atkinson-107 16:53, 3 March 2017 (EST)

European Aristocracy
William (Ferrers) de Ferrers is a member of royalty, nobility or aristocracy in the British Isles.
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Preceded by
Robert de Ferrers, II
Earl of Derby
1162-1191
Succeeded by
William de Ferrers, II

Biography

"Though he was not responsible for the foundation of any religious house, William, the 3rd earl, was a generous benefactor to the church, increasing the endowments of Breedon and Tutbury Priories; making grants to the Hospital of St. Lazarus, the Knights Hospitallers, and the monks of St. Denis in France; and, in this deed, extending his father's gift to Garendon Abbey — which was later doubled by his son."[1]
"Moreover I William for the love of God and for the souls of my father and mother and of all my predecessors, and for the good of my soul and that of Sybil my wife and those of our children, ..."
"... with the consent of William my son, so that they may hold it in pure and perpetual alms freely and quietly and exempt from all secular services. And I and my heirs will warrant to the aforesaid abbey and monks the aforesaid land to hold with pasture by the aforesaid liberty, as our free alms. By these witnesses : Countess Sybil, Robert de Ferrers brother of the Earl, etc., Luke, then Steward, William de Rideware, Hugh de Thornd', William Mauveisini, William, son of the earl and Henry and Robert his brothers, Jurdan de Thoc, Henry the vintner, William the clerk of Lee, with many others."

Excerpt from The History of the County Derby

3. William, his son and successor, being forbidden by Henry II. to use the title of Earl of Nottingham, assumed by his father, joined the king's sons in their rebellion against him, and plundered and burned the town of Nottingham; but when he saw his castle of Tutbury closely besieged by a strong body of royalists, aided by a band of Welshmen, and the king marching against him with a second army, he thought it best to avert the approaching storm, and submitted himself to the king at Northampton. He founded a priory at Breedon, co. Leicester, about 1180, and subsequently accompanied Richard Cœur de Lion to the Holy Land, and died at the siege of Acre, in 1191, leaving, by Sibilla de Braose, his wife, four sons.[2]

Knights Templar, Knight and Crusader

Constitutions of Clarendon

"From the year of our Lord's incarnation 1164, the fourth year of the papacy of Alexander, the tenth of the most illustrious Henry, king of the English, in the presence of the same king, was made this remembrance or recognition of a certain part of the customs, liberties, and dignities of his predecessors, that is to say of King Henry his grandfather and others, which ought to be observed and held in the kingdom." ... "these being present:" ... "William earl of Ferrers" [3]

The Third Crusade

"Each day He increased and strengthened the number of the Faithful. Princes, dukes, counts and great numbers of lesser degree streamed together from various parts of the globe. These are their names: The earl of Ferrers [William de Ferrers I, earl of Derby]; ..." [4]
"The historical and diplomatic interest of charters from the third crusade of lesser men than the king lies in their rarity. Howden's list of the crusaders who died at Acre or at Jaffa or on the journey included some of the greatest men in the land - Robert, earl of Leicester, William Ferrers, earl of Derby, and Nigel de Mowbray among the barons, ..." [5]

Died at Acre. [6]

Notes

Many stories of Walkelin and William have been conflated, including accounts of the Crusade. Walkelin survives the Crusade, as noted by a number of charters and fines. [7] The Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi mentions in a couple of places, including Acre deaths, the "comes de Ferrariis". In a few other places, including Normans joining the expedition, distinguishing himself, and being well liked by Richard I, it mentions "Walchelinus de Ferrariis". It does not call "Walchelinus" the "comes de Ferrariis". Some accounts now have Walkelin dying at Acre, or have William being a favourite of Richard I, making these passages refer to one person.

Property

Tutbury Priory
NUM IV: "Willielmus comes de Ferrariis", "Henrici de Ferrariis proavi mei," [my great-grandfather] "Eugenulphi de Ferrariis", "Roberti avi mei" [my grandfather], "Roberti patris mei" [my father], "uxoris meæ" [my wife] "Sibillaey" [8][9]
"Robert de Ferrars, the last Earl of Derby, confirmed all the benefactions of his ancestors by charter, but by him the priory was pulled down in the year 1260, and was not rebuilt till theyear 1307, no doubt by the Earl of Lancaster." [10]
"I find also a confirmation made, per Rob'tum de Ferrariis, filium et haeredem [son and heir] nobilis viri Will'i de Ferrariis, comit. Derbies, Deo, et beatee Mariae, et ecclesie de Tutburie, et monachis ibidem Deo servientibus, de omnibus queecunque Hen. de Ferrariis fundator ejusdem ecclesiae, seu Engenulf de Ferrariis, vel Rob. de Ferrariis, vel al. Rob. de Ferrariis, vel Will'us de Ferrariis, vel al. Will'us de Ferrariis, avus suus, vel Will'us de Ferrariis, pater suus, sive aliquis antecessorum suorum dederunt." [11]

Notes

Regarding The history and antiquities of the county of Buckingham, pg 252-253 pedigree chart:

It is Robert II, 2nd Earl of Derby, son of Robert I and Hawise, who marries Margaret Peverel. They have sons William and Walcheline.

It is that William, 3rd Earl of Derby, who marries Sybil de Braose. They have children William, 4th Earl of Derby, Robert, Milisent, and Agatha.

Supporting charters:

Abbey of Dore
NUM I: "Robertus* comes de Ferrariis", "Sibillae de Braosa, exoris meae" [my wife], "matris W. filii mei" [mother of my son William], "Bertae (fuit filia" [the daughter of] "Milonis comitis Herfordiae) matris uxoris meae" [mother of my wife]
  • FMG states "[mistake for Willielmus]". [12]

Sources

  1. A Ferrers Document of the Twelfth Century, By Eleanor Swift, M.A. [1]
  2. The History of the County of Derby, Part 2, By Stephen Glover
  3. Medieval Sourcebook: Constitutions of Clarendon, 1164 [2]
  4. The Chronicle of the Third Crusade: The Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi, ch 31
  5. Tradition and Change: Essays in Honour of Marjorie Chibnall Presented by Her Friends on the Occasion of Her Seventieth Birthday, p 202 [3]
  6. Matthaei Parisiensis, monachi Sancti Albani: Historia Anglorum, sive, ut vulgo dicitur, Historia minor. Item, ejusdem Abbreviatio chronicorum Angliae, Volume 2; Volume 44, p 20 [4]
  7. Leicestershire and Rutland Notes and Queries and Antiquarian Gleaner: Vol 2, p 191 [5]
  8. Monasticon Anglicanum: Vol 3 [6]
  9. Monasticon Anglicanum: Vol 5 [7]
  10. An historical description of Tutbury Castle and Priory, with some account of the town and neighbourhood, p 69 [8]
  11. A Survey of Staffordshire: Containing the Antiquities of that County, p 525 [9]
  12. FMG [10]


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Ferrers Pedigree (note errors, in comments)
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Corrected section of pedigree
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Collaboration

On 17 Mar 2017 at 17:58 GMT Jason Clark wrote:

Are there any sources for wife, Catherine, or daughters, Ermintrude (Ferrers) de Ferrers, Agnes Ferrers?

On 17 Mar 2017 at 00:11 GMT Jason Clark wrote:

The "Title" entry was a couple hundred years off.

On 28 Aug 2016 at 18:46 GMT Gary Engstrand wrote:

FWIW, geni . com has this for the father, with at least a birth year that is possible:

Walkelin de Ferrières, seigneur de Ferrières-Saint-HilaireMP

Birth: circa 1010 Ferrières-Saint-Hilaire, Duchy of Normandy, Kingdom of France [Ferrières-Saint-Hilaire, Eure, Haute-Normandie, France] Death: between circa 1035 and 1045 Normandie, France

On 6 Aug 2016 at 03:11 GMT M Edmunds wrote:

something is off with these dates if his daughter was born 100 years before he was

On 6 Aug 2016 at 03:11 GMT M Edmunds wrote:

something is off these dates if his daughter was born 100 years before he was

On 17 Jul 2016 at 10:10 GMT Debra Shannon wrote:

Is there any source that supports Roger W. Bayley as a son of Walkelin and Catherine? Why the change in surname? Thanks.

On 14 Nov 2015 at 05:52 GMT Donna Roberts wrote:

Wikipedia

Walkeline de Ferrers (d.c. 1040), 11th century Seigneur of Ferrières-Saint-Hilaire and father of Henry de Ferrers. This sounds like Walchelin de Ferriers profile. They are 2 different people. Walkeline sons Henry and William came to England with William the Conqueror in 1066

On 14 Nov 2015 at 05:47 GMT Donna Roberts wrote:

birth needs changed and death. son born 1036. Bertha D'Aigle not wife-sons wife. Don't know about Goda. Mahaut is his wife



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