John Fine (abt. 1720 - bef. 1759)

Ancestors

Husband of Elizabetha (Moelich) Fine — married about 1740 (to 1759) in New Jersey

Died before 24 Feb 1759 before about age 39 in Sussex, New Jersey

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This profile is part of the Fine Name Study.

Conflict

Mercy Skillman was not his mother. There were 3 John Fines in NY at the same time, 2 were German 1 was Dutch. Mercy married the Dutchman and lived and died in NY. The Skillman Family Association believes that Mercy Skillman married John Fyn.

The other John arrived in New York in 1717 from Germany. This is the only record of this man. No proof that this man is the John who died in Sussex 1759.

Source: SCOTT, KENNETH. "Early New Yorkers and Their Ages." In National Genealogical Society Quarterly, vol. 57:4 (Dec. 1969), pp. 274-297. PAGE:281. Ancestry.com

Siblings

John Fine

Thomas Fine

Elizabeth Fine Leming

Peter Fine

Marriages

Wife: Elizabetha Moelich Children:

Philip Fine: b.1744 - 1810 (founder of Finesville)

Gottfried Fine: b.1745 – 1783

Johann (John) Thomas Fine: b.1748 (founder of Finesville)

Anna Margaretha Fine: b.1751

Maria Catharina Fine: b:1753

Margaret Fine: b.1758

Source: Glen Fine, admin, Fine DNA Project, FTDNA

Will

• 1759, Feb. 24. Fine (Fein), John, of "Greenwitch," Sussex Co. Int. Inventory, £8.5.6., by William Scholey (Schooley) and Peter Seller.
• 1759, May 2. Bond of Elisabeth Fain (signed in German script) as Adm'x; Jonathan Pettit, Esq., fellowbondsman, both of "Grinwich." Lib. 9, p. 394.
• Source: Date: 24 Feb 1759 Location: "Greenwitch," Sussex Co. Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol. III 1751-1760 Calendar of New Jersey Wills.

Fine DNA Project

There is a Fine DNA Project at Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). There are 13 men who have taken Y-DNA test who descend from this John Fine and they all match. Their haplogroup is consistent with those from Germany. There are no men tested, who descend from the New York Dutch family yet. If you are a man with the surname of Fine and wish to participate in the Y-DNA testing, it is recommended to order a 37 marker test at FTDNA. Glen Fine is the Admin of the project

YDNA results of descendants of this man place him in Group 1 of the Fine DNA Project. According to Glen Fine the admin of the project, this man was not the progenitor of the Fine Family in America or of Group 1 in the project. He was likely a brother of several progenitors of the descendants in Group 1.

Autosomal DNA Match: Kari Lemons descends from Elizabeth Fine Leming and has autosomal DNA matches to descendants of Elizabeth Cynthia Fine Henry and Vinett Fine.

Records Attributed But Not Proven

Name: John Fine

Birth Year: abt 1699

Arrival Year: 1719

Arrival Place: New York, New York

Age: 20

Source Publication Code: 8198

Source: SCOTT, KENNETH. "Early New Yorkers and Their Ages." In National Genealogical Society Quarterly, vol. 57:4 (Dec. 1969), pp. 274-297. PAGE:281. Ancestry.com

Marriage:

1. John Fine m. Mercy Skillman, May 18, 1698, New York, Thomas Lourens and Meltje Paro, sponsors.

Source http://skillmansofamerica.com/TomsTreePriv/b61.htm#P741

1. John Fine, Somerset to Ann Marsh, Somerset: dated Nov 7 1747.

Source: New Jersey, Marriage Records, 1683-1802.

Resource List

• Vinnett Fine and his Descendants by Emerette Goff Fine (PDF file)
• Fine Lines; Descendants of Thomas Fine and Agnus Merchant, by Betty McCollum Padilla, 1998
• Leming Family History, by Sam K Leming, 1946 This book had Leming family lore that talked about this John Fine but has since been proven not to be true.
• Rootsweb Fine email archive