John (FitzAlan) de Arundel (1364 - 1390)

Born 30 Nov 1364 in Arundel, Sussex, England

Ancestors

Husband of Elizabeth (Despenser) la Zouche — married before 1385 in England

Descendants

Died 14 Aug 1390 at age 25 in Stoke, Buckinghamshire, England

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Biography

John Fitz Alan, otherwise d'Arundel,^[1] Knt., 2nd Lord Arundel, "of Buckland, Colley (in Reigate), and West Betchworth (in Dorking), Surrey, Chancton (in Washington), Cudlow, and Todham, Sussex, etc."^[2],[3]

John, born on 30 November 1364,^[4],[5] was the son and heir of John de Arundel, Knt., and his wife, Eleanor Mautravers:^[5]

• Father: John de Arundel, 1st Lord Arundel, "younger son of Richard de Arundel, Knt., 10th Earl of Arundel, 9th Earl of Surrey, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor, daughter of Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster and Leicester (grandson of King Henry III of England)". John married Eleanor Mautravers on 17 February 1358/9.^[6] He died 15 December 1379.^[5]
• Mother: Eleanor, younger daughter of John Mautravers, Knt., and his wife Gwenthlian, was "born about 1345 (aged 5 in 1350 and 19 in 1364)." Eleanor married (2) Robert Cobham, Knt., 9 August 1380. She died 12 January 1404/5.

John married Elizabeth le Despenser, the daughter of Edward le Despenser, K.G., 4th Lord le Despenser, and Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G.^[7] Given the birth of their eldest son in August 1385, they must have married before 1385.^[4]

Children

1. John Arundel, K.B., Lord Arundel and Mautravers (born 1 August 1385, died 21 April 1421), was contracted to marry Elizabeth Talbot (they received dispensation to remain in the unconsummated marriage in 1405). He married Eleanor Berkeley before 1407.^[8][9]
2. Edward Arundel, Knt.^[3]
3. Thomas Arundel, Knt., 3rd son, married Joan, daughter of Henry Moyne. Thomas "died overseas about 1430-1"; his widow married John Burden, Esq.^[10]

John was with the army in Scotland in 1383 and with the English Fleet in 1388, "under his uncle, Richard de Arundel, Earl of Arundel, Admiral of Engand, in Earl Richard's successful operations against the western coast of France."^[4]

Sir John, 2nd Lord Arundel died on 14 August 1390^[11] and was buried at Missenden Abbey, Buckinghamshire. Elizabeth le Despenser, who had survived her second husband, William le Zouche, "died 10 (or 11) April 1408. She left a will dated 4 April 1408, requesting burial at Tewkesbury Abbey, Gloucestershire, near her brothers."^[3]

Research Notes

FitzAlan or Arundel?

Cokayne's The Complete Peerage calls him "John Fitz Alan, other-wise d'Arundel".^[1] His father's IPM includes only de Arundel^[5] (no Fitz Alan); in his own IPM, he is "de Arundell".^[11]

Richardson notes that the family dropped the use of "Fitz Alan" as a surname completely after the death of Earl Richard in 1302 (see Earl Richard's profile).^[12]

Lord, not Earl

This John de Arundel is called by Richardson the 2nd Lord Arundel.^[4] Cokayne does not assign him any title, calling him "John Fitz Alan, otherwise d'Arundel," although Cokayne shows John's father as "John, Lord Arundel, sum. to Parl. as such 1377-79"^[1] (i.e., 1st Lord Arundel).

This John's son John, K.B., "was heir male of his cousin, Thomas Arundel, K.G., K.B., Earl of Arundel and Surrey,... by which he inherited the earldoms of Arundel and Surrey" in 1415.^[8] Cokayne numbers "John d'Arundel" (born 1 Aug. 1385), K.B., as the 13th or 6th Earl of Arundel,^[9] Thomas (1381-1415) as 12th or 5th Earl of Arundel (1400), and Thomas's father, Richard, as the 11th or 4th Earl of Arundel (1376).^[13]

Wikipedia calls this John, his father & his son, "Baron Arundel" (2nd, 1st, and 3rd, respectively).^[14] Wikipedia also calls this John "2nd Baron Maltravers jure matris''. Richardson does not refer to this John ([FitzAlan-600]) as Lord of Maltravers, or Baron Maltravers, in either Magna Carta Ancestry or Royal Ancestry. In both works, Richardson's entry for son John (b 1385) starts with "de jure Lord of Maltravers" and ends with Lord of Arundel and Maltravers. That John's son John is also Lord of Arundel and Maltravers. (See Magna Carta Ancestry, I:32-35 ARUNDEL 9, 10, 10.i.)

Locations from an unsourced biography - born at Arundel, Sussex, died at Stoke - remain in the datafields, but the marriage location of "Groby, Leicestershire" (from an unsourced biography on his wife's profile, 26 March 2020) was deleted.

Royal Connections

He was a the great-great-great-grandson of King Henry III through his son Edmund, Earl of Lancaster. His wife was also a descendant of King Henry III, through his son King Edward I's daughter Joan of Acre.

John's mother, Eleanor, née Mautravers, was a descendant of Saher de Quincy,^[15] one of barons who had stood surety for Magna Carta in 1215.^[16] See below for the status of John's WikiTree connections to surety barons.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} G. E. Cokayne, ed. V. Gibbs. The Complete Peerage, volume 1 (1910), page 253; online at Family Search (sign-in required): page 253 (292 of 537), accessed 26 March 2020.
2. ↑ Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume II, pages 596-618 FITZ ALAN.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2} Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), volume I, pages 32-33 ARUNDEL 9.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), I:151-152 ARUNDEL 10.
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3} M. C. B. Dawes, A. C. Wood and D. H. Gifford. "Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 8," in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 15, Richard II, (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1970), 77-93. British History Online, accessed March 25, 2020, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol15/pp77-93.
6. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), I:30-32 ARUNDEL 8.
7. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), II:451-453 DESPENSER 13.
8. ↑ ^{8.0 8.1} Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), I:33-36 ARUNDEL 10.
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1} Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, volume 1 (1910), page 247; online at FamilySearch (sign-in required): page 247 (286 of 537), accessed 24 March 2020.
10. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013), I:580 BROWNE 11.
11. ↑ ^{11.0 11.1} M. C. B. Dawes, M. R. Devine, H. E. Jones and M. J. Post. "Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 65," in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 16, Richard II, (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1974), 377-389. British History Online, accessed March 25, 2020, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol16/pp377-389.
12. ↑ Earl Richard's profile, accessed 26 March 2020, includes more information than excerpted here from footnote 25 in Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry, II:599-600 FITZ ALAN 9, the entry for "Richard Fitz Alan (or de Arundel), Knt., 8th Earl of Arundel," which says in part that he (the 8th Earl), "his father and grandfather all employed the surname Fitz Alan.... Following Earl Richard's death in 1302, the family dropped [Fitz Alan]. Last known use of Fitz Alan by any member of this family dates c. 1312-3... Thereafter, all further references to this family employ the surname Arundel [or de Arundel ] to the complete exclusion of the surname Fitz Alan."
    

    Note that the last statement refers to further references in Richardson's Royal Ancestry.

13. ↑ Cokayne, The Complete Peerage (1910), online at Family Search (sign-in required): pages 244-246 (283-285 of 537) (accessed 26 March 2020).
14. ↑ See the Wikipedia articles on him & his son: John FitzAlan, 2nd Baron Arundel, John Fitzalan, 6th Earl of Arundel (accessed 26 March 2020).
15. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), I:28-38 ARUNDEL.
16. ↑ WikiTree's Category:Surety Barons has links to the profiles for the 25 Magna Carta surety barons. See this WikiTree page for more information about Magna Carta.

• Cokayne, G.E., Gibbs, V., ed. The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1910-). See also WikiTree's source page for Complete Peerage.
• Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011. See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.
• Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. Salt Lake City: the author, 2013. See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.

See also:

• Barber, Richard. Biography of "Arundel [Fitzalan], Sir John (c. 1348–1379)" : The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography.
• Lewis, Marlyn. Entry for Sir John FitzAlan, 2nd Lord Arundel (accessed 29 March 2020). "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors" (free database online). Useful for leads; see cautions about use on the Magna Carta Project Reliable Sources page.
• Benolte, Thomas; Philipot, John; & Owen, George. The Visitations of the County of Sussex: 1530 and 1633-4. London: The Harleian Society, 1905. Vol LIII, p 83.

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Magna Carta Project

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John de Arundel is a descendant of Magna Carta surety barons Hugh le Bigod, Roger le Bigod, Robert de Vere and Saher de Quincy. His profile is in badged trails to

• Edward Bromfield (MCA I:331-333 BROMFIELD): badged July 2021. See trail HERE.
• Nelson Gateways (John and Margaret) (MCA III:225-230 NELSON). See the trails HERE.

See Base Camp for information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".

Additional Gateway Ancestors descended from John de Arundel and his wife Elizabeth le Despenser are also documented by Richardson (see Magna Carta Ancestry, footnote 38, II:76 DESPENSER 8.ii; the same Gateways are listed for his son Thomas, at footnote 37).