Herbert FitzHerbert (abt. 1087 - bef. 1155)

Born about 1087 in Sussex, England

Ancestors

Descendants

Died before 1155 before about age 68 in Winchester, Hampshire, England

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Biography

Chamberlain to David I and his successor Malcolm VI, Kings of Scotland.

Parentage

Older genealogies such as Weis show Herbert Fitz Herbert as the son of Herbert of Winchester and Emma of Blois. ^[1]

More recent scholarship has disputed this relationship and even the existence of Emma -- discussion on her profile. Keats-Rohan does not name his mother.^[2]

Weis makes him the brother of St. William (Fitz Herbert), Archbishop of York, who died in 1154 ^[1]and this is confirmed by a grant of the early 12 century. ^[3]

Birth Year Estimation

Weis reports that "Herbert Fitz Herbert, son and heir, adult by 1127, succeeded to his father's lands in 1130, [and was ] dead by 1155" ^[1] Taking age 21 as the age of majority, Herbert would have been born no later than 1106.

Unsourced material in the data field shows him born in 1087 in Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, Wales.

Marriage

Weis reports that Herbert married Sibyl (or Adela or Lucia) Corbet who was living 1157, daughter and coheir of Robert Corbet.^[1]

Richardson reports that Herbert FitzHerbert, of Ondesborough and Weaverthorpe, Yorkshire, etc, the King's Chamberlain, son and heir of Herbert, married Sibyl Corbet, daughter and co-heiress of Robert Fitz Corbet, of Alcester, Warwickshire and Pontesbury and Woodcote, Shropshire, and former mistress off Henry I. ^[4] Keats-Rohan also names his wife as Sybil Corbet.^[2]

She was lady of Alcester, co. Warwick and of Pontesbury and Woodcote, co. Salop.^[1]

By Henry I, Sibyl was the mother of Reginald Fitz Roy, Earl of Cornwall)." ^[1]

"Herbert Fitz-Herbert, called Herbert of Winchester, Chamberlain and Treasurer to King Henry I, and the first of his family to be born in England. He m. Adela or Lucy (a), daughter and co-heir of Sir Robert Corbet, Kt., Lord of Alcester in the county of Warwick, and had issue, Herbert, his heir, Stephen Fitz-Herbert, and William Fitz-Herbert, called William of York.^[3]

"This Herbert in the 5th of King Stephen, anno 1140, in conjunction with his eldest son, gave £333 in silver for livery of his father's lands in Hampshire, and Thomas Archbishop of York conferred upon him and his said son the lordships of Launsborough, Collerthorpe, Wyderthorpe, Holperthorpe, and the two Lottum, besides one carucate of land in Turgisleby, three carucates in Schyneburne, three in Bridstall, five in Middlethorpe, five in Urkilthorpe, &c., and all to be holden by the service of three knights' fees. He was s. by his son aforesaid.

"(a) She had been concubine to King Henry the I and was mother by that prince of Reginald, Earl of Cornwall. [John Burke, History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, Vol. IV, R. Bentley, London, 1834, p. 728, Jones, of Llanarth]

In the 5th year of King Stephen [1140], Herbert Fitz-Herbert, then lord chamberlain to that monarch, gave £333 in silver for livery of his father's lands. This Herbert m. 1st, --- the dau. and co-heiress of Robert Corbet, Lord of Alcester, co. Warwick, who had been some time concubine to King Henry I. He m. 2ndly, Lucy, 3rd dau. and co-heir of Milo, Earl of Hereford, and by her had three sons, Reginald, who d. s. p.; Peter, his successor; and Matthew, sheriff of Sussex, 12th John [1211]. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 206, Fitz-Herbert, Baron Fitz-Herbert]

NOTE: The second marriage mentioned above by Burke was the marriage of his son, Herbert FitzHerbert the 2nd. ^[1]

1155 Death

Herbert FitzHerbert was dead sometime before 1155. His widow, Sibyl, was living in 1157. ^[4]

Issue

Herbert and Sibyll had three sons, Robert, Herbert and probably Henry. ^[4]

1. Robert, Chamberlain to King Henry II^[4]
2. Herbert FitzHerbert, 2nd son, Sheriff of Gloucestershire, 1194-1198, was an adult by 1161-1162. He married Lucy of Hereford. ^[4]
3. Henry (probably) ^[4]

Not named by Richardson:

1. Rohese (FitzHerbert) de Pomeroy

Research Notes

Some popular genealogies refer to Herbert as "Lord of Blaen Llyfni" and give Blaen Llyfni, Brecknockshire, Wales as a place of birth or death.

There is indeed a connection between Wikipedia: Blaenllynfi_Castle near the village of Bwlch in southern Powys, Wales, and the Herbert family, but the Castle was not built until 1208 and did not come into the possession of the Herbert family until 1217.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6} Frederick Lewis Weis. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, Line 262-27 Weis cites Eng. His. Rev., cit; A. E. Corbet, Family of Corbet I:34; Eyton, cit. 149; CP 5:465 note d; NGSQ, cit.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} K S B Keats-Rohan. Doomsday Descendants, The Boydell Press, 2002, p. 908, entry for 'Filius Herberti, herbert'
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} ed.: W. Farrer., (Early Yorkshire Charters: A Collection. Vol I. no.26. (p.36). Retrieved from the Internet Archive (Here;) Accessed 4 Aug 2023.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5} Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Kimball G. Everingham, Editor. By the author: Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013. Volume II, page 620-621

See also:

• Visitation of Shropshire Page 133: Corbet
• Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 206
• http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05392