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Julian (Fitzhugh) FitzHugh (abt. 1205 - aft. 1252)

Julian FitzHugh formerly Fitzhugh
Born about [location unknown]
Daughter of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married before 1226 [location unknown]
[children unknown]
Died after after about age 47 [location unknown]
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Biography

Blomefield wrote, concerning Ormesby near Great Yarmouth in Norfolk:

King John, when Earl of Morton, granted it to Robert de Berners, at the aforesaid rent.
Robert enfeoffed John Fitz-Hugh therein, whose daughter Julian, married Adam son of Hervey, who held it of King Henry III. in his 11th year, at the said rent; and in the 37th of that King, Julian, widow of Adam, was sued for this lordship, when she pleaded that the King had granted it to her and her husband, and her heirs, that she performed in the King's court personal homage, and now produced King John's charter, (when Earl of Morton) whereby he gave it to Robert de Bernarijs, who enfeoffed John Fitz-Hugh her father.[1]

And in Kirtlington, Oxfordshire:[2]

Certainly 'the mill at Kirtlington' was sold by Ingerram de Kirtlington to John Fitzhugh, and by Fitzhugh's son-in-law, Adam Fitzhervey, to Gilbert Basset, who gave two mills to Bicester Priory c. 1240. In 1535 the priory leased the mill to John Andrewes of Kirtlington.(Valor Eccl. (Rec. Com.), ii. 188.)

...and also...

By an unusual arrangement its administration was apparently placed in the hands of the reeve and four men of the village; (G.C. Homans, Eng. Villagers of 13th century, 336, commenting on Rot. Normannie (Rec. Com.), i. 131.) but this cannot have been for long as in 1204 it was handed over from the custody of Geoffrey le Sauvage to the royal minister, John Fitzhugh, who was to account for it at the Exchequer. (Rot. Litt. Claus. (Rec. Com.), i. 14.) Fitzhugh was still in possession in November 1215, when he was ordered to hand over part of the fee to Ralph de Montibus; (Ibid. 334.) but he deserted the king in 1216 and was deprived of the remainder of the fee in favour of John's mercenary captain William de Bréauté. (Bk. of Fees, 253.)

Research Notes

Estimated dates: Born about 1205; married before 1226; died after 1252,[3] based on father's dates (c1180-c1220) and above information -specifically, "...whose daughter Julian, married Adam son of Hervey, who held it of King Henry III. in his 11th year, at the said rent; and in the 37th of that King, Julian, widow of Adam,..."

  • 11th year of Henry III = 28 October 1226 - 27 October 1227[4]
  • 37th of Henry III = 28 October 1252 - 27 October 1253[4]

Son John: If John Hervey-30 remains attached as the son of Adam and Julian, his birth year cannot be 1290 (more likely about 1230, give or take about 5 years), which would resolve the following "Check the data" warnings generated by changing his Julian's dates:

  • A mother's birth date (Fitzhugh-459 born 1205) should not be more than 67 years before the birth date of one of her children (Hervey-30 born 1290).
  • A mother's death date (Fitzhugh-459 died 1252) should not be before one of her children's birth dates (Hervey-30 born 1290).
  • A parent (Fitzhugh-459 born 1205) should not have been born more than 170 years before one of their children died (Hervey-30 died 1384) . This would mean that even if the parent gave birth at 70, the child lived to be over 100.
  • A parent's death date (Fitzhugh-459 died 1252) should not be more than 120 years before one of their children died (Hervey-30 died 1384) . This would mean the child lived to be over 120.
  • John Hervey-30 has been detached in the absence of good evidence for his being a son.

Sources

  1. Francis Blomefield, 'East Flegg Hundred: Ormesby', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 11 (London, 1810), pp. 231-240. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol11/pp231-240 [accessed 5 June 2016].
  2. 'Parishes: Kirtlington', in A History of the County of Oxford: Volume 6, ed. Mary D Lobel (London, 1959), pp. 219-232. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol6/pp219-232 [accessed 30 May 2016].
  3. #Hervey source shows her a widow in "37 Henry III. 1266" (page 417), but this Regnal calendar shows 37 Henry III to be 1252-3.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Regnal calendar

Acknowledgements

  • WikiTree profile De Fitzhugh-1 created through the import of Ed_s tree_2008-10-18_2011-07-29.ged on Jul 29, 2011 by Alexis Connolly. See the Fitzhugh-1 Changes page for the details of edits by Alexis and others.






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update: dates changed for her - see #Research Notes (and moved 1265 from being Adam's birth year to be his death year)

I'm not seeing support for her birth in 1270, Adam's in 1265, or son John's birth in 1290. Am I missing something?

I just posted to her father's page the following comment:

looking at Warning - his 1220 death with daughter Julian born 1226 - I think that 1205 might be a better birth year for her. Text talks of Adam (FitzHervey), her husband, holding property "of King Henry III. in his 11th year".

11th year of Henry III = 28 October 1226 - 27 October 1227

37th of Henry III = 28 October 1252 - 27 October 1253

dates from this Regnal calendar
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Question: is her father the John Fitz Hugh who worked for King John and appeared in the list of illustrious men? Answer is yes: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol6/pp219-232 (The John in Kirtlington seems to be very closely related to King John: http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/normans/appearances.jsp?person=10)
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Hi Ellen

Thanks for changing the Last Name at Birth, however, please see http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Name_Fields_for_European_Aristocrats where it says: "Names that include ‘Fitz’: Fitz- names should be written with mid-caps, that is, a capital letter for the father's name. For example, write FitzAlan, FitzGeoffrey, FitzGerald"

Thank you for contributing to our one World Tree linking as many ancestors as possible.

Maryann

Last name at birth could better be "FitzHugh". The "de" is incorrect (and would never be combined with a "fitz").
posted by Andrew Lancaster

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