John Fleming (1769 - 1834)

Born 1769 in Cragganfeaen-Athole, Perthshire, Scotland

Ancestors

Husband of Janet (Ross) Fleming — married 1790 in Mains of Kilmorich, Dowally, Perth, Scotland

Descendants

Died 1834 at about age 65 in Kirrandrum, Perthshire, Scotland

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Biography

1) possible father to this person: Scotland Births and Baptisms Name: John Fleming Gender: Male Christening Date: 24 Jun 1770 Christening Place: BLAIR ATHOLL, PERTH, SCOTLAND Birth Date: 20 Jun 1770 Father's Name: Alexr. Fleming Mother's Name: Margaret Forbes ^[1]

2) possible father to this person John Fleming Sex: Male Birth: 1769 Cragganfearn, Athole, Perthshire, Scotland Death: 1834 Kirrandrum, Perthshire, Scotland PARENTS: Father: Fleming MARRIAGES (1) Spouse: Janet Ross Marriage: 1790, Dowally, Perthshire, Scotland NOTES (1) father: Fleming spouse: Janet Ross children: Alexander Fleming, Isabella Fleming, Catharine Fleming, John Fleming, Janet Fleming ^[2]

son of Laird of Cragganfearn Fleming? In the family papers it is noted that Isabella Fleming's father, John Fleming is Laird of Cragganfearn. There is much controversy in the family researchers of if this is a true statement or not. I wonder if it was a statement that may have been misconstrued due to meanings over time. Could it have been that John Fleming was a land owner of his farm/ home rather than a tenant farmer? In this possibility it could be stated by some that he was the lord of his own home (King of his castle) rather than a laird. A look a land ownership records may help to dispel the possibility of this. In doing some research this also popped up as another name for Cragganfearn. One day I hope to be able to check landownership of Cragganfearn and Tullymet Burn. According to some family history this John was the son to the Laird of Cragganfearn, however there was no known laird of Cragganfearn and most of the land in that area was part of another large estate controlled by the Duke of Atholl. There is a 'romantic story' being told that John - a son of some Laird, fell in love with a servant - Janet Ross, from Ross-shire and was disinherited when they were married. There are no records found as of 2018 of John Fleming or Janet Ross marriage, there is records found of their children births being recorded in church records. Alternative name(s) TULLYMET BURN Canmore ID 73765 County: PERTHSHIRE Parish: LOGIERAIT Council: PERTH AND KINROSS ^[3] ?^[4]

Cragganfearn is alternate name for Alternative name(s) TULLYMET BURN TOWNSHIP (PERIOD UNASSIGNED) County PERTHSHIRE Parish LOGIERAIT Council PERTH AND KINROSS^[5]

Areas to check: OPR Records at Scotlands People where you can access the original documents to determine exactly where they were and in some cases what they did. Family Bibles are not necessarily accurate. Laird of Cragganfearn - the "Laird" of everyplace mentioned except Ballacraggan was the Duke of Atholl. Ballacraggan was held by the Earl of Breadalbane. NOTE Parents listed are possibilities not confirmed

Scotland Census, 1841 Name John Fleming Event Type Census Event Date 1841 Gender Male Age 72 Birthplace Perthshire Parish Methven County Perthshire Birth Year (Estimated) 1769^[6]

SRP Archaeology Notes facebook tweet print Date 11 March 2010 Event ID 587948 Category Descriptive Accounts Type Srp Note Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/event/587948 Scotland's Rural Past (SRP) The settlement of Cragganfearn is on sloping ground above the Tullymet Burn with buildings grouped randomly together at an altitude of 270m - 280m. The settlement is at the top of the present day fields with rough grazing and sparse woodland up-slope to the SE. There are thirteen distinct buildings or structures. Two are circular, a lime kiln and a horse mill platform, the remainder are rectangular. Two buildings are still in use, an L-shaped steading built of dressed stone and mortar, with a corrugated asbestos roof, and a silage pit, which has been created by the re-use of an earlier building. The remaining nine buildings consist of low footings and heaps of undressed stone where walls have collapsed. Apart from the buildings still in use, the highest wall is 1.5m where it has been utilised as part of the silage pit. All of the buildings, except for one, are shown as roofed on the First Edition Ordnance Survey map (Perthshire, xl, surveyed 1863, published 1867), but by the Second Edition survey (1894-1900) only the steading and one other building remain roofed. The largest and probably earliest building on site is the most fragmentary and is not shown on any editions of the Ordnance Survey maps. It is situated behind the W wall of the steading and is aligned NW/SE, unlike the other long buildings on site, which are aligned approximately W/E. It is 17m long, but only one long axis and a few stones of an internal dividing wall remain. To its S is another long building measuring 15m by 5.6m externally, with one dividing wall and what may be a doorway on the S wall. This building was full of stone fall and nettles and appears to have been used as a dump in recent years. In 1985 there was a small 'window' feature visible in the dividing wall. To the S are two shorter, parallel buildings orientated NE/SW. They measure approximately 12m by 6m each and have a gap of 5.2m between them. The easternmost of these buildings was shown as roofed on the Second Edition Ordnance Survey map and its SE wall has been heightened to accommodate a silage pit, whose other two walls are built on to this SE wall. The remaining buildings are all considerably smaller: to the E is a very broken building approximately 3 m square; E from this is a building 11m by 5.3m; and SE of this is a building 7m by 5.3m situated on the external corner of a large enclosure. The remaining two buildings lie in the NE of the site and both have small yards attached: The first measures 8.7m by 4.4m and has a yard 6.3m long, with rounded corners, attached to its W end. The second measures 9.7m by 5.2m and has a fireplace on the W wall and a yard measuring 9.5m by 7.7m attached to its E wall. The E gable wall of this building was standing in 1985, but is now reduced to footings. The steading has a circular horse mill platform adjoining its N wall. This is shown as unroofed on both the First (Perthshire, xl, surveyed 1863, published 1867), and Second (1894-1900)Edition Ordnance Survey maps, suggesting that it may have been an open platform. On top of the platform is a horseshoe shaped structure of undressed stone, with metal pinnings, which may relate to a secondary form of mechanism: it stands 0.7m high and measures 3.1m by 2.5m. Approximately 20m NW of the steading is a lime kiln, built into a bank. The dry course of a mill lade runs from SE to NW along the edge of the site. It follows the inner course of the modern dyke downhill from the E then cuts under the dyke behind the steading, running around the horse mill platform and the lime kiln before re-joining the course of the dyke and running downhill to a stream below. The 1851 census shows four families resided at Cragganfearn; by the Valuation Roll of 1888-9 it was described as 'vacant'. James Fleming, the 19th century athlete, was born at Cragganfearn in 1840.^[7]

Sources

1. ↑ Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQ7V-HMR : 10 February 2018), John Fleming, 20 Jun 1770; citing , reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 993,520
2. ↑ Personal records of Joseph A. Fleming, General Delivery, Kingsgate, B. C. V0B 1V0.The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:9959-36H : accessed 19 May 2018), entry for John Fleming (2NMC-41S); submitted by jafleming812729 [identity withheld for privacy]. ANCESTRAL FILE Ancestral File Number 2NMC-41S
3. ↑ copy of personal letter written January 26, 1945, to Belle Douglas McCoy from her cousin C.A. Fleming about the family. Letterhead states: C.A. Fleming; Chartered Accountant; Auditor, Trustee - Owen Sound Ontario
4. ↑ family; private letter
5. ↑ scotlandsplaces.gov
6. ↑ "Scotland Census, 1841," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VY8G-Z53 : 11 December 2017), John Fleming, Methven, Perthshire, Scotland; from "1841 England, Scotland & Wales census," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing p. 2, PRO HO 107, New Register House, Edinburgh; FHL microfilm 1,042,696.
7. ↑ https://canmore.org.uk/event/587948