John Fleming Jr.

John Fleming Jr.

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Dr. John C. Fleming Jr.
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Biography

John Calvin Fleming, Jr. was born and raised in Mississippi. He graduated from the University of Mississippi Medical Center (medical school} in 1976 and entered the US Navy as a medical officer rising to the rank of Lt. Commander. He was board certified and became a fellow of the American Board of Family Medicine. John Calvin Fleming, Jr. began private family medical practice in Minden, Louisiana in 1982. He later started a suite of businesses in the 1980s as well. Later he entered public service as an elected coroner 1996-2000. He was then elected to the US Congress and served from 2009 to 2017. After congressional service he was appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary of Health IT Reform to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Marriage 03 JUN 1978. Jackson, MS.

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Fleming

John Calvin Fleming, Jr.'s Fleming line goes back to Maryland in the mid 1700s by historical record. However, there is strong yDNA evidence that he is a direct male Fleming descendant of John Fleming 1671, an immigrant to next door Delaware from SCT/IRE. See this extensive historical research on the immigrant family: https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/7/7c/Fleming-6514.pdf. By 1799 (and perhaps before) John Calvin Fleming, Jr.'s historically known Fleming male ancestors moved to the Columbia/Jones/Twiggs county, Georgia area, perhaps stopping off some place in North Carolina on the way. His great x4 grandfather, Robert Fleming b. 1800, arrived in Greene county Mississippi by 1818. He was joined by his brothers John and Hiram and together they married 3 Gunn sisters. By 1833 they moved to Clarke county Mississippi to homestead after the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit of 1830. Many Flemings still live in that area.

Clay

John Calvin Fleming, Jr.'s maternal grandmother's birth surname was Clay. Through her he is a descendant of some key Clay historical figures. His 4th great grandfather Abia Clay (1747 - 1791) fought in the American Revolution. Henry Clay (1777-1852), the great statesman, was his second cousin 5 times removed. Finally, John Clay (1587 - 1655) an immigrant from Great Britain and my 8th great grandfather was an original settler at Jamestowne, Va.

DNA

DNA Confirmation Statement

  • Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. John Calvin Fleming, Jr, Relative Genetics kit #35236, and his 4th cousin once removed, Anonymous1 Fleming, Relative Genetics kit #77689, son of John Edwin Fleming, match at a Genetic Distance of 1on 43 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA James Fleming. TMRCA calculation indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor approximately 95% within the last 11.7 generations.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. John Calvin Fleming, Jr, Relative Genetics kit #35236, and his 4th cousin once removed, Anonymous2 Fleming, Relative Genetics kit #78962, son of John Walker Fleming, match at a Genetic Distance of 1on 43 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA James Fleming. TMRCA calculation indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor approximately 95% within the last 11.7 generations.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. Anonymous1 Fleming, Relative Genetics kit #77689, son of John Edwin Fleming and his 4th cousin once removed, Anonymous2 Fleming, Relative Genetics kit #78962, son of John Walker Fleming, match at a Genetic Distance of 2 on 43 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA James Fleming. TMRCA calculation indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor approximately 95% within the last 15.7 generations.

yDNA

John Calvin Fleming, Jr. has participated in both the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics yDNA study and the current FTDNA yDNA study. He matches Fleming men from different early American Fleming branches that are closely related by yDNA. However, there are other men in the Relative Genetics and FTDNA studies who were completely unrelated. Therefore, not all Fleming men who have participated in yDNA studies were found to be related. However, even among related men within each distinctly different yDNA related group, the distance of the genetic relatedness (as evidenced by the percentage matching of genetic markers) helps us determine which branches they are likely to originate.

1. John Calvin Fleming, Jr. is confirmed as a direct patrilineal descendant of James Fleming 1760 MD through his son, Robert Fleming 1800 GA, haplogroup R1b (now R-M269) matching with 42/43 markers with Anonymous1 Fleming, a 4th cousin once removed and son of John Edwin Fleming, also a documented direct patrilineal descendant of James Fleming 1760 MD through his son, John Fleming 1799 GA, haplogroup R1b (now R-M269). The confirmation was repeated with Anonymous2 Fleming, a 42/43 match to another patrilineal descendant of James Fleming 1760 MD through his son, Hiram Fleming 1808 GA, haplogroup R1b (now R-M269). Anonymous2 Fleming is also a 4th cousin once removed to John Calvin Fleming, Jr. and son of John Walker Fleming. Sons of John Edwin Fleming and John Walker Fleming were a 41/43 marker match to each other. Therefore it is confirmed that James Fleming 1760 MD is the most recent common ancestor for all three tested subjects.

2. Known descendant of John Fleming 1776 NC. Philip Leroy Fleming tested in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics study and matched 43/43 with John Calvin Fleming, Jr.. Both were haplogroup R1b (now R-M269). Supporting historical records show this: The following are quotes from a Georgia genealogist, Amanda Cook, on this important fact pattern: "In 1805 John Fleming split the cost of the taxes on the land with James Fleming, each man paying the tax on 500 acres. On 22 November 1805 John Fleming sold 20 acres of this tract to Josiah Magee, leaving him with 9, 980 acres. Again in 1806 John Fleming split the tax burden for his Sweetwater Creek land with James Fleming, but this time James Fleming paid the tax on the land as the guardian for Robert Alexander Fleming. Robert Alexander Fleming did not appear on the 1806 tax digest under his own name, nor did James Fleming pay an extra poll tax, which indicates that at the time of the 1806 tax digest Robert Alexander Fleming was under 21. This places the birth of Robert Alexander Fleming after 1785. There is no way to know the intent of a person 200 years after the fact, but the records seem to show an intent by John Fleming to sell half of his land to Robert Alexander Fleming as soon as Robert was of age. James Fleming paid the tax on the land while Robert was underage, but on 23 January 1807 John Fleming officially sold 559 acres of land on Sweetwater Creek to Robert Alexander Fleming for $762. James Fleming witnessed the transaction along with neighbor Alexander Campbell. In May of 1807 John Fleming’s 500 acres of land on Sweetwater Creek was advertised for sale for taxes due. However, the sale must not have been finalized because the 1808 tax digest showed John Fleming and Robert Alexander Fleming on the tax digest with all of their land intact. That year James Fleming appeared paying only a poll tax." Early GA land tax records

3. Anonymous1 Fleming, son of Doyle Fleming is a historically documented descendant of John Fleming 1790 NC through his son, Alfred Patten Fleming 1813 TN. He matches two other documented descendants of John Fleming 1790 NC through yDNA testing.

Anonymous1 Fleming is a 43/43 marker match in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics Fleming surname study to Anonymous2 Fleming, son of John Alton Fleming who is also a documented descendant of John Fleming 1790 NC through his son, Samuel Fleming 1838 TN.

Both Anonymous1 Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming are 43/43 marker matches to John Calvin Fleming, Jr in the same study. Though John Calvin Fleming, Jr is not a documented descendant of John Fleming 1790 NC, he is undoubtably a genetic male relative through another branch.

John Calvin Fleming, Jr is a 65/67 marker match in the more recent Family Tree DNA Fleming surname study to Anonymous Flemens, son of Marion Flemens, a documented descendant of John Fleming 1790 NC through his son, Alfred Patten Fleming 1813 TN. Therefore, the historical and genetic relationship of Anonymous Flemens as a descendant of John Fleming 1790 NC and cousin to both Anonymous1 Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming is inferred but firmly established, confirming the yDNA genetics of male Fleming/Flemens descendants of John Fleming 1790 NC. The haplogroups also all match at R-M269.

Anonymous1 Fleming son of Doyle Fleming, Anonymous2 Fleming son of John Alton Fleming , and Anonymous Flemens son of Marion Flemens are all third cousins once removed to each other. Therefore John Fleming 1790 NC is confirmed as the most recent common ancestor for the subjects tested.

4. Known descendants of John Fleming 1671 Ireland. Anonymous1 Fleming, son of Stephen Fleming, (direct descendant of John Fleming 1671 Ireland through his son, Alexander Fleming 1711 Ireland) and Anonymous2 Fleming, son of Leslie Fleming, (through his grandson William Fleming 1717 Ireland) tested in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics Fleming yDNA study and matched 42/43 (41/43 to each other) with John Calvin Fleming, Jr.. Anonymous3 Fleming, a likely descendant of John Fleming 1671 through John Fleming 1775 his grandson, matched John Calvin Fleming, Jr. 40/43. All three were haplogroup R1b (now R-M269). Joseph Thomas Fleming participated in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics Fleming yDNA study as well. He is a direct descendant of John Fleming 1671 IRE through David Fleming 1751 NC through Ivy Fleming 1813 Pitt, NC. He was a 40/43 marker match for John Calvin Fleming, Jr, a direct descendant of James Fleming 1760 MD and a 43/43 match to Andrew Lee Fleming, great grandson of Ivy Fleming 1813 Pitt, NC. Both were haplogroup R1b (now R-M269).

Anonymous1 Fleming, son of Stephen Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming, son of Leslie Fleming are calculated to be seventh cousins twice removed with John Fleming 1671 Ireland as their most recent common ancestor. Joseph Thomas Fleming and Andrew Lee Fleming are third cousins three times removed with David Fleming noted to be their most recent common ancestor. However, David Fleming is recorded as grandson to John Fleming 1671 Ireland. Therefore all relevant subjects tested confirm John Fleming 1671 Ireland as a common ancestor.

5. Raymond Anton Fleming participated in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics yDNA study. He was a 42/43 match to Anonymous1 Fleming, grandson of Jesse Fleming. Both are direct descendants of Samuel Fleming 1718 through two different sons. They were 42/43 and 41/43 matches to John Calvin Fleming, Jr., respectively. Anonymous2 Fleming, son of John Fleming, also matched with John Calvin Fleming, Jr. 63/67 in the FTDNA yDNA study. He is also a direct male descendant of Samuel Fleming 1718 through his son, John Fleming. All were haplogroup R-M269.

Raymond Anton Fleming and Anonymous1 Fleming, grandson of Jesse Fleming are calculated to be sixth cousins. Raymond Anton Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming, son of John Fleming are fifth cousins once removed. Anonymous1 Fleming, grandson of Jesse Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming, son of John Fleming are calculated to be first cousins once removed. John Marion Fleming is determined to be the most recent common ancestor for Anonymous1 Fleming, grandson of Jesse Fleming and Anonymous2 Fleming, son of John Fleming. Samuel Fleming 1718 is determined to be the most recent common ancestor for Raymond Anton Fleming and Anonymous1 Fleming, grandson of Jesse Fleming. Therefore Samuel Fleming 1718 is confirmed as a common ancestor for all three subjects tested.

Therefore, from a scientific standpoint, John Calvin Fleming, Jr is closely related to James Fleming 1760 MD who is also a documented ancestor by historical records. John Calvin Fleming, Jr is also closely related to descendants of the following men, proving they share a common male ancestor at some point in recent history, likely after or just before immigration to America during the period of 1650 to 1750: John Fleming 1776 NC, John Fleming 1671 Ireland, John Fleming 1790 NC, and Samuel Fleming 1718 (probable, but not verified).

yDNA non-match but associated family

1.Jerry Boyd Fleming was recruited into the (discontinued) Relative Genetics Fleming yDNA study by John Calvin Fleming, Jr.. He is a direct patrilineal descendant of James Alexander Fleming 1818 GA. He tested as haplogroup E3b (now E-M215). He also tested as a 42/43 marker match for two other patrilineal descendants of James Alexander Fleming 1818 GA through two different sons. They are Anonymous Fleming, son of John Arthur Fleming, and Glen Richard Fleming. All three subjects are recorded as second cousins to each other and James Alexander Fleming 1818 GA is calculated as their most recent common ancestor.

Though James Alexander Fleming 1818 GA functioned in every way as a member of the James Fleming 1760 MD family, his three patrilineal descendants, through three different sons; none of which matched descendants of James Fleming 1760 MD, nor any other Fleming line, as indicated above. But, they did match each other. It is assumed that James Alexander Fleming 1818 GA was adopted into the James Fleming 1760 MD family.

2.Norwood Fleming was recruited into the (discontinued) Relative Genetics yDNA patrilineal study by John Calvin Fleming, Jr. because of his oldest known patrilineal ancestor's, Robert Alexander Fleming 1785 NC close historical connection to my oldest patrilineal ancestor, James Fleming 1760 MD, who served as his guardian in Columbia County GA in 1806 for Robert Alexander Fleming 1785 NC and paid his taxes on half of Sweetwater Creek land, owned then by John Fleming 1776 NC. Note that descendants of James Fleming 1760 MD and John Fleming 1776 NC are yDNA 43/43 marker matches. However, Mercer Fleming did not match to descendants of James Fleming 1760 MD and John Fleming 1776 NC.

yDNA for Norwood Fleming showed the haplogroup of R1b (now R-M269). He matched to another recruited descendant (through a different son) of Robert Alexander Fleming 1785 NC 41/43, Mercer Fleming. They are calculated to be third cousins once removed. Robert Alexander Fleming 1785 NC is calculated to be their most recent common ancestry. However, there was no match for any known Fleming line. There was a 37/43 match to a Waggener man who tested as well. It is believed that Robert Alexander Fleming 1785 NC was fathered by a Waggener male and adopted into the same Fleming family as James Fleming 1760 MD and John Fleming 1776 NC.

yDNA non-match but lived in Columbia County GA among the James Fleming 1760 MD line during the early 1800s

Marvin Lester Fleming tested in the (now discontinued) Relative Genetics yDNA Fleming study. He was a 6 MRCA predicted match with Anonymous Fleming, also a documented descendant of Samuel Fleming 1720 through James Fleming 1743. They are calculated to be fifth cousins once removed with Samuel Fleming 1720 determined to be their most recent common ancestor. Another close match is Timothy Tooke Fleming, a descendant of Samuel Fleming 1720 through William Fleming 1750. He is calculated to be a sixth cousin to Marvin Lester Fleming with Samuel Fleming 1720 calculated as their most recent common ancestor. His haplogroup is I1a (now I-M253), which matches the haplogroup of participants of the other Relative Genetics yDNA Fleming study participants who were also documented to be direct patrilineal descendants of Samuel Fleming 1720 through sons James Fleming 1743 and William Fleming 1750.


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John Fleming's DNA has been tested for genealogical purposes. It may be possible to confirm family relationships by comparing test results with John or other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
  • John Fleming: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 111 markers, haplogroup R-M269, Ancestry member johnbb49, FTDNA kit #B3354 + Y-Chromosome Test 43 markers, haplogroup R-M269
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  • John Fleming: AncestryDNA Maternal Lineage (discontinued) Full Sequence, haplogroup T, Ancestry member johnbb49 + Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test, haplogroup T
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On 28 Mar 2018 at 15:21 GMT David Douglass wrote:

John,

So far there is no evidence for the parents of John Clay (Clay-10), Researcher Robert Young Clay indicates that nothing is known of John Clay's parents http://www.clayfamilysociety.org/ui38.htm

The John Thomas Clay said to be his father is not supported by any evidence and there was no such person as the "Coal Baron" His current parents appear to be a total fabrication but I am looking into it further

On 4 Mar 2018 at 22:54 GMT David Douglass wrote:

Hey John, Got your message about the Ann Clay merge. I would approve it if I were on the trusted list but I am not. I do think a merge would be appropriate though.

On 8 Feb 2018 at 04:52 GMT John Kingman wrote:

John, the message I posted on the profile of John Fleming said that his father's confirmed with DNA relationship status indicator was cleared because the DNA confirmation were not cited under Sources (DB error 213).

It means that you have not added the proper documentation for the claim that the genealogy is confirmed with DNA. From the example, you can see that it should look something like this:

  • Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. Anonymous Roberts and Peter J. Roberts match on 36 out of 37 markers (see YSearch IDs 9WCMS and 97ZDB) thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA Thomas W. Roberts.

Let me know if you need more help.

John

On 24 Jan 2018 at 13:11 GMT Natalie (Durbin) Trott wrote:

Nice work on your merges! Thank you for improving WikiTree!

On 24 Jan 2018 at 03:33 GMT John Kingman wrote:

John, you wrote
John, I found two living, historically proven descendants of James Fleming 1760 through two different sons. I descend through a third. all three of our yDNA match. That is the strongest evidence one can find.

That sure is. You can avoid the 213 errors by following the steps outlined here to document the Y-DNA test evidence that backs up the confirmed with DNA indicator.

Thank you.

John Kingman

On 2 Jan 2018 at 02:38 GMT Guy Constantineau wrote:

Hi

Wish you a Happy New Year. May 2018 bring you all you need to be happy.

Congratulation for adding your contributions in December. Whatever the quantity of your contributions, they all count. As we always say "Quality is better than quantity" to make a great family tree.

Thank you for being a Wikitreer,

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On 9 Dec 2017 at 20:19 GMT David Douglass wrote:

John I agree with the use of the spelling "Clay". In reality we do not know what spelling John Clay may have used. In fact, I do not think an examply of his signature exists. For all the reasons we have discussed we should use the "Clay" spelling to be consistant. The PPP from John Claye will have to be removed prior to the merge that has been proposed. I think the new (merged) profile should be project protected as well. Thanks for your input. I didn't know that you were a Jamestown member through John Clay. I probably should look into that as well but after some issues with lineage have been resolved. It may be that Dr Charles Clay is actually the son of Eliabeth Clay and not Ann. Something I am working on.

On 9 Dec 2017 at 19:01 GMT David Douglass wrote:

John do we want to discuss the Clay v Claye LNAB ? I did find a ref in the 1624 muster (transcription) that uses the Claye spelling for John and Anne. It should be noted however that I did not consult the acual muster to verify the spelling and that countless descendants, including notables, Sen Henry Clay and Gov Clement Comer Clay use the Clay spelling. Personally I'm in the "Clay" camp but willing to discuss this issue further.

On 9 Dec 2017 at 18:19 GMT David Douglass wrote:

The issue with the Nichols LNAB is that it needs to be merged away. We both agree that there is no evidence to support her maiden name as being Nichols other than circumstancial. I will propose a merge to correct this and get rid of the dup

On 9 Dec 2017 at 18:07 GMT David Douglass wrote:

John

As you can see I was building a case for the Clay spelling. i believe the Claye spelling was used because it had been speculated that John Clay was a son of Sir John Claye. However this is questionable as there is no evidence to support that or John's birth place in Wales. You made it easy ! Thanks. Clay-10 and Claye-1 are dups. I think LNAB should be Clay for several reasons but it is clear later generations including my ancestor Dr Charles Clay used the Clay spelling.

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