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Johannes Flinner (abt. 1720 - aft. 1789)

Johannes "John" Flinner aka Fleenor, Fleener
Born about in Württemberg, Heiliges Römisches Reichmap [uncertain]
Ancestors ancestors
Son of [uncertain] and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married about 1740 in Platz, Bad Kissingen, Unterfranken, Bayern, Heiliges Römisches Reichmap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 69 in Frederick County, Maryland, United Statesmap [uncertain]
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Contents

Biography

Johannes Flinner has German Roots.

Disputed Origin

Johannes Flinner (aka Fleenor, Flenner, and other variants) was likely born in about 1720, possibly in the town of Bönnigheim, in Würtemburg. Some researchers claim that his father was Jacob Nicolaus Fleiner, but this claim remains uncertain.[1]

Emigration to America

"Johannes Flinner" appears on the passenger list of the ship John and Elizabeth, commanded by Peter Ham, which arrived from Amsterdam at the Port of Philadelphia on 7 November 1754. There were 330 passengers aboard, all identified as "Inhabitants from from Hanau, Wirtemberg and the Palatinate." Of them, the names of 130 adult men are listed on the passenger lists.[2] Johannes is listed as the sole occupant of his cabin on the ship, indicating he was likely traveling with other family members not listed.[3]

Migration from Pennsylvania to Maryland

According to an 1832 affidavit in the Revolutionary War pension application of Johannes's son Michael, this family first settled in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where Michael was born in about 1757. After Michael was born, the family moved first to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and then to Frederick County, Maryland.[4]

Life in Maryland

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They had arrived in Frederick County, Maryland, by no later than 24 September 1769, when "Johann Flinner" and "Anna Flinner, [his] wife" both appear on a list of communicants at St. Peter's Lutheran Chuch in Rocky Hill, near Woodsboro in Frederick County.[5]

The church records of St. Peter Rocky Hill Lutheran Church in Frederick County, Maryland, contain many references to Johannes "Flenner" or "Flinner," his wife Anna, and several likely or possible members of their family between 1769-1789:

  • Anna Elisabetha, daughter of Georg Ehrhardt & Elisabetha was born on 19 October 1770. Johannes Flinner & Anna acted as godparents for Anna Elisabetha when she was baptized on 25 Jan 1772.[6]
  • Johannes, son of Nicolaus Flinner & Maria Catherina, was born on 31 January 1771, and baptized on 8 April 1771. Her godparents were Johannes Flinner & Anna.[7]
  • Johannes, son of Johannes Guckerl & Margaretha was born on 25 May 1771. Johannes Flinner & Anna acted as godparents for Johannes when he was baptized on 30 Jun 1771.[7]
  • Casper Flinner married Margaretha Andtes on 24 November 1772. Johannes Flinner was father of the groom and Wilhelm Andtes was father of the bride.[8]
  • Anna Maria, daughter of Georg Fuchs & Maria Catharina was born on 3 March 1773; Johannes Flinner & Anna acted as godparents for Anna Maria when she was baptized on 21 May 1773.[9]
  • John Jacob, son of Nicolaus Flinner and Maria Catharina, was born on 2 May 1774. "Joh. Flinner" and Anna act as godparents when he was baptized on 28 Jun 1774.[10]
  • "Joh. Jacob," son of Peter Stab and Elisabetha, was born on 10 May 1775. Johannes Flinner and Anna acted as godparents when he was baptized on 25 August 1777.[11]
    Daughters of the American Revolution
    Johannes Flinner is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A132371.
    1776 Project
    Johannes Flinner performed Patriotic Service in Maryland in the American Revolution.

During the American Revolution, "John Fleunard" and "John Flennard, Jr." both appear on the list compiled by Henry Schnebely of those taking a loyalty oath in Washington County, Maryland in 1778. Washington County, Maryland, was carved from Frederick County in 1776.[12]

Johannes and Anna reportedly appear again on a list of communicants at Grace Lutheran Church on 29 September 1789, although this may be a misreading of the 1769 record cited above. The circumstances of his death are uncertain, but Johannes likely died in Frederick County, Maryland, some time after 1778.[13]

Children

Children of Johannes Flinner and his wife Anna likely include:[14]

Research Notes

Disputed Origin

Many online genealogies give exact birth dates and/or list parents for him, apparently based on baptismal records of male children with similar names born in various places in Germany in the 1720s. For example, a prior version of this profile gave a birth date of 10 Jun 1721, apparently based on the baptismal record of a Johannes Fleiner, baptized on 10 Jun 1721 in Willsbach. He was the son of Johann Peter Fleiner and Elisabeth.[15] However, this Johannes seems to have been a teacher who died in Schwaigern, Württemberg; see profile of Johannes Fleiner (1721-1791)

According to a 1993 article by Dr. Phillip K. Lee published in the Butler County Banner, Johannes was the son of Jacob Nicolaus Fleiner, who was born on 12 Feb 1697 in Bönnigheim in what is now the Ludwigsburg District of Baden-Würtemburg.[16] Dr. Lee estimates that the son Johannes was born in about 1720, but does not give an exact date and this is likely an estimate based on the estimated birth dates of his oldest child Adam. Lee does not explain what source he was relying upon, although he seems to suggest it is based on Else Rath-Höring, ed., "Flyner-Fliner-Fleiner: Beiträge zur Geschichte der Familie Fleiner aus Cannstatt, Eßlingen und Ellhofen seit dem 13.Jahrhundert," Deutsches Familienarchiv Band 17 (Verlag Degener & Co. : 1961), 106. This source does not identify any of the children of Jacob Nicolaus Fleiner.

A search of the baptismal records at the indicated date in the church records for Ludwigsburg by Manuela Thiele in Nov 2020 did not locate any matching record.[17] No other source confirming the connection has been found, so the identity of Johannes's parents and birth location remain uncertain.

Disputed Mother

A prior version of this profile identified his mother as Catharina Doetter, without citing any source. Please do not reattach this mother without citing a source for the relationship.

Disputed Middle Name

Many unsourced online genealogies give a middle name of "Jacob" for him, but this middle name does not appear in any of the primary sources cited in this profile and has been removed from this profile. He is identified as "Johannes Flinner" in the emigration record; Johannes or Johan Flinner or Flenner in the church records, and "John Fleunard" on the 1778 loyalty oath list. Please do not add the middle name of Jacob without citing a source for it.

Disputed Children

Some researchers identify as an additional child either Elisabetha (____) Staub or Elizabetha (____) Ehrhardt, frequently conflating those two different Elisabethas into a single person. This connection is not proven. For a detailed explanation why, see Distinguishing Elizabetha Ehrhardt and Elizabetha Staub.

Emigration Record

Rupp transcribes the name of the emigrant as "Johannes Flinner."[18] Strassburger transcribes it as "Johannes Flinder" on the list identifying the occupants of each cabin,[19] and later as "Johannes Flimer" on the manifest of "imported foreigners."[20] An image of the actual signature is produced in volume 2 of Strasburger. It is barely legible, but appears to be correctly transcribed by Rupp as Johannes Flinner.[21]

Last Name at Birth of Spouse

As reflected above, the historic parish register records of the St. Peter Rocky Hill Lutheran Church (now Grace Lutheran Evangelical) identify Johannes's wife as Anna, but do not give her maiden name. She is commonly identified in online genealogies as Anna Minnich, but the original source for the claim that her LNAB was Minnich is unclear.

A prior version of this profile claimed without source that her birth name was Münch, and that they married in about 1740 in Bayern, Unterfranken, Platz, Germany. Anna's Find a Grave memorial[22] claims also without source that she was born in Stuttgart. All of these claims appear to be speculative.

List of Children

The only direct evidence of the children of Johannes and Anna Flinner found so far is Casper's marriage record, which identifies Johannes as his father. The circumstantial evidence connecting these other listed children to Johannes and Anna include the St. Peter Rocky Hill church baptismal records in which Johannes and Anna act as godparents, Michael's Revolutionary War pension application identifying the migration pattern from Pennsylvania, to Maryland, to Virginia; and the church, tax, land & other records reflecting the connections between them and the common migration patterns of several of these children from Frederick County Maryland to Washington County, Virginia. For additional discussion of the connections specific to each child, see their individual profiles.

Other Research Notes

His occupation is said to be listed on some record as Farmer and Horse Breeder.[citation needed]

Sources

  1. See Research Notes.
  2. Daniel I. Rupp, A Collection of Upwards of 30,000 Names of German, Swiss, Dutch, French, and Other Immigrants in Pennsylvania from 1727 to 1776, (Philadelphia: I.G. Kohler, 1876), 347; Internet Archive, Digital Images : accessed 6 June 2021.
  3. Ralph Beaver Strassburger, Pennsylvania German Pioneers, 3 vols. (Norriston, PA: Pennsylvania German Society, 1934), 1:666, "Johannes Flinder" in cabin 45. See discussion in Research Notes.
  4. Michael Fleenor, (Virginia, Revolutionary War), pension no. W7288; images, fold3.com, “Revolutionary War Pensions,” database with images, (https://www.fold3.com/image/18320090 : accessed 4 Jun 2021) [subscription required], image 8; citing “Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application Files,” NARA publication M804, Record Group 15, roll 987; partial transcription, William T. Graves, "Southern Campaigns Revolutionary War Pension Statements & Rosters," revwarapps.org, database, (https://www.revwarapps.org/w7288.pdf : accessed 4 Jun 2021). Michael's estimated birth year of 1757 is based on his reported age of 76 when he made this affidavit on 26 March 1832.
  5. Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church formerly St. Peter’s Rock Hill near Woodsboro, Frederick County, Maryland, Parish Registers, 1767-1889, 114; digital images, Ancestry.com, "Pennsylvania and New Jersey, U.S., Church and Town Records, 1669-2013," database with images, (https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2451/ : accessed 6 Jun 2021),MD-All counties>Rocky Hill>Lutheran>Grace Evangelical Lutheran.
  6. Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Registers, 15.
  7. 7.0 7.1 Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Registers, 14.
  8. Evangelical Lutheran Church, historic parish records, Vol. 1, p. 362 #24; obtained from Office of Historical Preservation, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Frederick, Maryland; image, WikiTree, (https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/f/fb/Fleenor-17.pdf : accessed 11 Jun 2021).
  9. Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Registers, 17.
  10. Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Registers, 19.
  11. Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church Parish Registers, 19.
  12. Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh, & Margaret (Roberts) Hodges, Revolutionary Records of Maryland, (Washington, D.C.: Rufus H. Darby Printing Co., 1924), 19-20 (John Flennard, Jr., p. 19 (29); John Fleunard, p. 20 (269); digital images, Hathitrust, (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015000675689 : accessed 7 June 2021). The DAR has accepted this record as proof of Johannes Flinner's patriotic service during the war. See "DAR Ancestor Search," (Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/ : accessed 11 Jun 2021), "Record of John Fleenor", Ancestor # A132371.
  13. Find A Grave: Memorial #36377200 (no gravestone image).
  14. See Research Notes.
  15. Church book Willsbach, Württemberg: Landeskirchliches Archiv Stuttgart > Dekanat Weinsberg > Willsbach > Mischbuch 1645-1731 Band 1 [1] [subscription required]. An alternative copy of the same record is available at Ancestry, "Württemberg, Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500-1985," (https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61023/images/1346114-00881 : accessed 7 Jun 2021) [subscription required].
  16. "The Heritage of the Flener Family," Butler County [Kentucky] Banner, 25 Aug 1993; image, WikiTree, (https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/0/00/Fleenor-18.pdf : accessed 7 June 2021).
  17. Church book Ludwigsburg, Württemberg: Landeskirchliches Archiv Stuttgart > Dekanat Ludwigsburg > Ludwigsburg > Mischbuch 1716-1753 Band 1 [2].
  18. Rupp, 30,000 Names, 347.
  19. Strassburger, Pennsylvania German Pioneers, 1:666
  20. Strassburger, Pennsylvania German Pioneers, 1:669.
  21. Strassburger, Pennsylvania German Pioneers, 2:755.
  22. Find A Grave: Memorial #36377120




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I was researching this family for a client many years ago, and since then I could identify where they came from. The place of origin was discussed before and discarded because of a daughter Anna Barbara Flinner, presumably born in that place on 9 Dec 1757. This is incorrect, she is no Flinner, and thus does not stand in the way of the 1754 emigration.
Not sure if this helps, it is in German so I don't understand it. Katharina Fleiner discovered in Württemberg, Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500-1985 - https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27928262?h=c379c3.
posted by [Living Johnson]
I am no expert Check Fleiner-25. He was born to Johann Jacob Fleiner and Katarina Schärtlein Fleiner. I think this is his baptism (getaufen=was baptized) record on 4 May 1795. The location looks to be Eßlingen. The month heading, Mayus, is probably Latin, but it seems to be spelled in German in the actual text.

As I say, I am no expert!!

posted by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
edited by Kie (Entrikin) Zelms
Interesting read: Published by the Butler County Banner, Morgantown, KY 5 Aug 1993 Location: Butler Co., KY.

it's free to view. Photo of Johannes Fleiner Fleenor contributed by Debbie Ferguson - https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27928178?h=1d6d50.

posted by [Living Johnson]
There does not appear to be any source which supports the claim that Catharina (Doetter) Fleiner (1700-) was his mother (or that she was the wife of Jacob Nicolaus Fleiner (1692-1740)), so I plan to detach that relationship unless anyone objects.
posted by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
For the reasons discussed in the profile, I think his LNAB should be changed to "Flinner"-- he seems to be identified as "Flinner" in the passenger lists, and appears as Flinner or Flenner in the church records from 1769-1775. Although later generations do use Fleenor, Fleener, Flenner, and many other variants, I have not found any primary sources which refer to the emigrant Johannes as a "Fleenor." Does anyone object to my making this change?
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
The spelling found on the earliest confirmed record should be the LNAB. As we have no certain German record here, then the spelling on the passenger list should be used, especially if it continues to be used in the subsequent church records.

Rupp transcribes as Flinner, whereas Strassburger has both Flimer and Flinder. But Strassburger also has the original signature copied and there is clearly no d. And all subsequent records confirm it wouldn't have been Flimer.

So Flinner it should be.

posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Dave Rutherford
Does anyone object if we remove the DAR emblem as the primary profile photo? It is not a representation of him and some of his descendants may prefer not to have it displayed on their family trees as the image of him. (Assuming we are right that he is Jacob Fleenor's father, then he is also my 6th great grandfather, and I am one of those members! I don't have any objection to keeping the image attached to the profile, I would just like to remove it as the primary.) The WikiTree policy on this is to try to achieve a consensus, so please weigh in if anyone objects and we can discuss.
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
I encourage you to remove it. When a new image is uploaded to a page that has no images, the system automatically adds it to the primary photo slot. Discussion in G2G has revealed that many members do not remove these images because they do not know how to do so.
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Ellen Smith
I personal object to removing the DAR emblem, he and his son Michael are one of my proven Patriot's with DAR. He is a proven patriot along with his son's Jacob and Michael, Adam and NIcholas are also patriots but one has proven their line though them yet.
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Michelle Lacy
Hi Michelle,

We are not talking about removing the image from the profile, just removing it as the "primary photo" in the upper left hand corner.

posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Dave Rutherford
I am not disputing that he was a patriot or that his proven descendants are DAR-eligible. I am not even asking that we remove the image from his profile, only that we not use the DAR emblem as his primary profile image, because it is not an image which depicts him. The primary profile image displays in the family trees of all of his descendants who are WikiTree members. I appreciate that he is your direct ancestor and that you are proud of his Revolutionary War service, but he is my direct ancestor also, and probably the direct ancestor of thousands of other Americans, including many who are WikiTree members. On WikiTree we have to work together on these issues. I am also proud of his Revolutionary War service, but I do not like having the DAR image display in my family tree. The WikiTree policy on this provides that "If a descendant objects to the usage of an image, an attempt should be made to accommodate them." That policy is here.
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Scott McClain
Fleenor-280 and Fleenor-18 appear to represent the same person because: potential duplicate
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Manuela Thiele
Fleenor-163 and Fleenor-18 appear to represent the same person because: potential duplicate
posted on Fleenor-18 (merged) by Manuela Thiele
Flinner-2 and Fleenor-163 appear to represent the same person because: This is the same man, and the oldest paternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge. Thanks!
posted on Fleenor-163 (merged) by Steven Mix

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