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Argotta (Franks) Franken (abt. 369 - 438)

Argotta Franken formerly Franks aka av Friesland, de Thuringia
Born about in Sicambria, Western Europe, Francemap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
Died at about age 69 in , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germanymap
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Biography

No reliable documentation has yet been found for the existence of this person. She was previously linked as the wife of Ataulf of the Ostrogoths but no basis has been found for this linkage.

Research Notes

The following basically unsourced material appears on the Geni site and is provided as a beginning for further research.

Birth and Parents

Argotta was born circa 376 in the Frankish Territory. [1]

She was known as Argotta "la Mère de tout les Roys" des Francs or, in French, Argote des Cimbres and in Swedish: Argotta av Westphalia (av Östfrankerna). [1]

She was the daughter of Genebald II, duke of the East Franks and Blesinde of the Suevi [1]

Siblings

She was the sister of Amalaberge of the Franks [1]

Marriages

She is sometimes shown as the wife of the fictitious Pharamond, king of the Franks (Fictitious) and also Théodémir, King of the Franks at Thérouanne [1]

Pharamond is regarded as of questionable existence.

Theodemir has been researched, however, and his wife is unknown.

Death

She died circa 438 (53-70) in the area which is now North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany [1]

Issue

She was the mother of [1]

  1. Fredemundus;
  2. Clodius de Cologne, VI;
  3. Adalbertus de Cologne;
  4. Chararic (Guerric) de Tongres;
  5. Sigebert De Soissons, King de Cologne
  6. Weldelphus;
  7. Frotmund (Fictional);
  8. Mérovée I de France;
  9. Erlicia Erelieve de Cologne;
  10. Basina de Cologne;
  11. Chlodégar, king of the Salian Francs at Cologne
  12. Clovis "the Riparian", King of the Franks

Research Notes D: Additional Geni material

Her name was Argotta Rosamunde von Thuringen Queen of the Franks.

https://www.myheritage.com/names/argotta_von%20thuringen

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/genealogy-hoppenbrouwers/I846.php

https://www.myheritage.com/names/argotta_rosamunde

http://www.whosyerdad-e.com/families-h/individual.php?pid=I10886

born 364 or 368 or 376 died 426 or 438 or 445 or 455 or 470? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicamb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_North_Rhine-Westphalia

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~havens5/p23429.htm

Agatha Agotta b. circa 376, #23429 Pop-up Pedigree

Father Genebald Duke?? of the East Franks1 b. circa 354, d. 419

Note* She is considered the Mother of all the Kings of France.2,1 Name Variation Agatha Agotta was also found as Argotta.1 Birth* circa 376 Agatha Agotta was born circa 376 at what is now France.1 Marriage* Agatha Agotta married Pharamond , Duke of East Franks, son of Marcomir (V or I) , Last King of the Franks.

Family Pharamond , Duke of East Franks b. circa 380, d. 27 April 430 Children 1. Adalbertus , Duke of Moselle+ d. 491

2. Clodio Clodius Crintus+ b. c 395, d. c 445 Citations

1. [S9890] Your Family Tree. 2. Download, http://www.adoptwesttexas.com/hilderic.htm. Argotta Queen of the Franks Born : Abt. 376 France Father Genebald Duke of the East Franks Mother - Marriage 394 - Pharamond King of the Franks Children Abt. 395 - Clodius

Forrás / Source: http://www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per02424.htm#0

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argotta

Argotta foi filha de Genobaudo, senhor dos francos (morto em 419). Ela se casou com Faramundo. Teve com ele os seguintes filhos: Clódio de Tournai, senhor dos francos salianos (430-446), Fredemundo e Frotmundo.

lso know as Agatha Agotta was also found as Argotta.1 Birth* circa 376 Agatha Agotta was born circa 376 at what is now France.1 Marriage*

Agatha Agotta married Pharamond , Duke of East Franks, son of Marcomir (V or I) , Last King of the Franks.

Duke Genebald of theFranks - was born about 0354 in France and died about 0419 in Germany . He was the son of Duke Dagobert of East Franks.

Children: (Quick Family Chart) i. Queen Argotta of the Franks was born about 0376 in France. Queen Argotta married King Pharamond of France in 0394. King Pharamond was born about 0370 in Westphalia, Germany. He was the son of Duke Marcomir of the Franks. He died in 0427/0430 . See King Pharamond of France below for children.

ii. Duke Dagobert of East Franks was born about 0300 in Germany and died in 0379 . See #19. below.

http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/of-the-west-franks.htm

http://www.glenn-cook.com/Family%20Data/8%20Feb%202007/10836.htm

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jloops&id=I359 ID: I359 Name: Argotta Given Name: Argotta Sex: F Birth: ABT 0376 in France _UID: 0E2E4025821C894292E03B04D20FB588D978 Change Date: 27 Dec 2007 at 03:00:00

Father: Genebald Duke Of East Franks b: ABT 0354 in France

Marriage 1 Pharamond King Of Franks b: ABT 0370 in Westphalia,Germany

Married: 0394 Children

Has Children Clodius "Long Hair" King Of Franks b: ABT 0395 in Westphalia,Germany


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=john_d_newport&id=I5207

I5207 Name: Argotta Of Sciambr Queen Of Franks 1 2 Sex: F ALIA: Argatta Princess of the Salic Franks Title: Queen Of Franks Birth: ABT 376 in Thuringia, Germany 1 2 Occupation: Queen Of Franks Death: 438 Name: Argatta 3 Name: Argotta Princess of the Salic Franks Birth: 376 Note:

[RCKarnes.ged] from Thuringia Argatta, the mother of all the Kings of France, married Pharomond, Duke of the East Franks and elected King of the West Franks and reckoned by historians as the first King of France. (See descent from Kings of France.) Then followed Clodio; Sigmerius; Ferreolus; Ausbert; Arncaldus; St Arnolph; Anchises was Duke of Brabant, having married Begga, heiress of Brabant, daughter of Pipin De Landis, the first Duke of Brabant. (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 366) Argotta was a daughter of Genobaud, Lord of the Franks (d. 419). She married Pharamond (Faramund). Their children were: Clodion of Tournai (Clodio or Clodius Crintus) Lord of the West Franks (430-446), Fredemundus, and Frotmund. (Wikipedia) ...x 1 NAME Argotta (Argote) /de Cambray/ 2 SOUR S033320 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 17, 2001 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 406 2 SOUR S033320 3 DATA 4 TEXT Date of Import: Jan 17, 2001 [De La Pole.FTW] Sources: Kraentzler 1772, 1777; Collins; AF; Pfafman. Collins/Pfafman: Argotta, Mother of all kings of France. K: Argote/Argotta de Cimbres (Cambray). Father: Genebald II King Of The East Franks b: ABT 354 in Fécamp, Seine-Maritime, Upper Normandy, France

Marriage 1 Pharamond Of The Franks King Of France b: ABT 370 in Westphalia, Germany

Children

Has Children Fredemundus Of The Franks Has No Children Frotmund Of The Franks Has Children Clodion of France King of the Franks b: ABT 395 in Westphalia, Germany Sources:

http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.htm#i17284

http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.htm#i17284

http://www.coltechpub.com/hartgen/htm/of-the-west-franks.htm#name3916 http://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p575.htm#i17284 Arcote (Argothe) van Francië (born van Cimbrië)

MyHeritage Family Trees 6 september 2015-1 in van Tweel Web Site, managed by J.J. van Tweel Birth: 400 Father: Rorik Iii Van Cimbrië Husband: Pharamond (Pharamundus) Van Francië Daughter: Erelieva Der Oostgothen Argothe Der Oost Franken (born van Cimbrië)

MyHeritage Family Trees atotz odt2 in geemdeem Web Site, managed by G. Marcel De Mulder Birth: 369 - Sicambrië Death: 438 - Noordrijn Westfalen (D) Parents: Unknown Der Oost Franken, Amalagerge Der Oost Franken (geboren Van De Oost Franken Ostgoten) Husband: Pharamond Der Oost Franken Children: Clodius / Chlodio, Koning Van Westfalen, Heer Van De Moesel, Ereleuva*f Der Ostrogoten (geboren Van Tongeren (Van Keulen)) Argothe Der Oost Franken (born van Cimbrië)

MyHeritage Family Trees atotz odt8 in geemdeem Web Site, managed by G. Marcel De Mulder Birth: 369 - Sicambrië Death: 438 - Noordrijn Westfalen (D) Parents: Genebald Ii, Hertog Der Salische Franken, Amalagerge Der Salische Franken (geboren Van De Oost Franken Ostgoten) Husband: Pharamond Der Oost Franken Children: Clodius / Chlodio, Koning Van Westfalen, Heer Van De Moesel, Ereleuva*f Der Ostrogoten (geboren Van Tongeren (Van Keulen)) read more View All Immediate Family Text ViewAdd Family Showing 12 of 18 people

Théodémir, King of the Franks ... husband

Chlodégar, king of the Salian F... son

Clovis "the Riparian", King of t... son

Pharamond, king of the Franks (F... husband

Fredemundus son

Clodius de Cologne, VI son

Adalbertus de Cologne son

Chararic (Guerric) de Tongres son

Sigebert De Soissons, King de Co... son

Weldelphus son

Frotmund (Fictional) son

Mérovée I de France son

Research Notes B

Relationships between historical figures could have been simplified or even fabricated in the text to give the impression that succession remained within the same family…. Precise chronology is also difficult to assess from the Sagas…. The conclusion must be that the tight family network described in the Sagas is unlikely to be correct and that the relationships shown below should be treated with considerable caution. Click to see reference at FMG


Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Geni. Profile for Argotta. Added by: Virginia Lea Sooy on March 12, 2007; Managed by: Margaret (C) and 318 others; Curated by: Erin Ishimoticha; Accessed 7 April 2020 jhd




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Der Franken-39 and Franks-296 appear to represent the same person because: Both profiles appear to be the same person. Neither is sourced. Franks is the simpler LNAB.

I propose to de-link Argotta from her current husband Ataulf of the Ostrogoths, as no indication has been found for such a marriage.

I recommend Project Protection be removed, since no project is responsible for her, and pre-1500 status protects profiles.

posted by Jack Day
edited by Jack Day
Der Franken-39 and Franks-296 are not ready to be merged because: Research will be needed to verify if no other projects were created for this profile.
posted by Thorr (Cates) Odinson

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