Philip Frederick (1778 - aft. 1830)

Born 1778 in Warrensbush, Tryon, New York

Ancestors

Husband of Catherine (Germon) Frederick — married about 1800 in Montgomery, New York

Descendants

Died after 1830 after age 52 in Clarendon, Orleans, New York

Biography

RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. Censuses: 1800 US: Minden, Montgomery, New York, p. 10 of 19, these two were next door neighbors and related by marriage, the columns are first male then female 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+: Francis Frederick: 1-0-1-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 Thomas Van Horne: 2-1-0-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 There is also a separately listed Philip Frederick in Florida, Montgomery, New York, p. 4 of 7 a Phillip Frederick who appears to me to not be our Philip due to the age of the family - but he could be related as some type of cousin: Philip Frederick: 0-1-1-1-1; 0-0-1-1-0. [Received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465: "The town of Minden in 1800 embraced the greater part of modern Minden, Montgomery County, together with the modern towns of Danube and Stark in Herkimer County, with Canajoharie town, from which Minden was set off in 1798, and from which it was enlarged in 1849 to its present limits." She also notes: "The town of Florida in Montgomery County had attained its present limits at the date of 1800 census. At the 1790 census it was a part of the old town of Mohawk distinct from the modern town of the same name.]

1810 US: German Flatts, Herkimer, New York: Philip Frederick, males: 2@0-9 (David and Abraham), 1@26-44 (Philip)1@45+ (Francis?); females: 2@0-9 (Susanna and Mary Ann), 1@26-45 (Catherine). [Could the male that is 45+ possibly be Francis since he does not show up in the 1810 census?]

1830 US: Clarendon Twp., Orleans, New York, p. 13 of 24: Phillip Frederick, males: 2@10-15 (Matthew and Ambrose), 1@20-30 (Unknown; can't be Peter since he died 1827); 1@40-50 (Philip); females: 1@10-15 (unknown), 1@15-20 (Herriott), 1@50-60 (Catherine).

1834 MI for Washtenaw County, Michigan. I have not seen this census, but it was given me by Mary Lou Spaulding. She indicates she got it off a FHL film, but did not indicate which. Looking up the film at familysearch.org, I find FHL film 955813 Item 1, which is entitled "Census of Washtenaw County, Michigan 1827-1834." Her transcription: Philip Frederick, males: 1(10-15), 1(15-20), 1(20-30) 1(50-60); females: 1(15-20), 1(50-60). Mary Lou notes: "See how closely matched the 1830 and 1834 censuses are. There are some changes in the four years between them. I feel like this may be our Philip, however I have no proof. The records of Philip and Catherine seem to disappear after the year 1822, which was when Philip purchased his land in Orleans County from the Holland Company."

2. Phillip's and Catherine's parentage is established by the following documentation: Patriarchal blessing from a hand transcribed copy from Daisy Van Wagoner's files: Salt Lake City, 9 Mar 1851: "A blessing by John Smith Patriarch upon the head of David Fredrick son of Phillip and Catharine born Montgomery Co., N.Y. 15 Sep 1801 [9 in 1809 overwritten with a 1]. Brother beloved, the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ and laying hands upon your head and send you this a patriarchal or father's blessing. Thou art the blood of Ephraim and a lawful heir to all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Thou hast seen much trouble in thy day but hast borne it into patience. The Lord is well pleased with the integrity of thine heart and your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life. The Lord will visit you unto health and every favor which is calculated to render life agreeable you must have a companion in your age. Your posterity shall become very numerous and shout forth upon the mountains of Israel like ___. You shalt teach the gospel to any people that seemeth good unto you and have great power in the Priesthood. Shall gather the remnants of ____ of Jacob. ___ that preside over stake positions have great wisdom, none shall be able to resist. Thou shalt have power in the priesthood to gather the remnants and rebuke the waves of the sea. To break fetters of Brass nothing shall be able to hinder your progress. Shall fill a great mission return and the land of Zion is peace unto your children and companion. Finally come up into the resurrection with all your father's house and inherit a kingdom. In the name of Jesus Christ forever and forever, Amen." [The subsequent marriage to Mary Ann Winner and the birth of a son and additional children at David's older age seems to have fulfilled the spirit of this blessing. Note also that his daughter from a previous marriage, Mary Frederick, received her patriarchal blessing also in SLC, 11 Oct 1852 - see her notes for transcript copy.] I requested a copy of the blessing from the LDS Church Historical Dept. on March 2000 and have not yet received it as of July 2000. Source may be Book of Patriarchal Blessings Index, vol. 11, page 231.

3. Mary Spaulding, a Frederick family researcher, believes "Philip bought land from the Holland Land Company, in Orleans County [New York], and David and his brothers moved there." In referring to my notes with Johan Peter Frederick, there is documented evidence that Peter received part of the Sir William Johnson grant in the Herkimer County area. Would this have been a reason Philip was in the Mindon area when David was born? Needs investigation. Received later on 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465: "I did find a record for the purchase of land in Genesee County (later changed to Orleans County) from the Holland Land Company, by Phillip Frederick. I have been unable to find my copy of this purchase and I'm unable to give you the source, but it took place in the year 1822. The Holland Land Company was based in one of the counties close to Montgomery, it may have been Albany county."

4. FHL book 974.761D2G "Early Families of Herkimer County New York, Descendants of the Burnetsfield Palatines," by William V.H. Barker, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1986, preface: "In 1664 the British took control of New York State and the Mohawk Valley area came under the jurisdiction of Albany County from that time until about 1774 when it became Tryon county (in 1784 the area was renamed as Montgomery county, the western portion of which was set off in 1791 as Herkimer County). In modern times, Herkimer County bounded by Oneida County on the west and by Montgomery and Fulton Counties on the east." [N.B. Tryon was changed to Montgomery because Tryon followed the Tory cause whereas Montgomery was a patriot.]

5. Note that there is an error in the Ordinance Index showing the Philip Frederick who married Gertrude Miller as the son of Francis Frederick and Susanna Cosaadt. Philip is indicated as "Philip J. Frederick." This Philip is actually the son of Hans Jacob Frederick and Margaret Young and is in this database under those parents.

6. Various church records received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465 with the following transcription and notes prepared by her: 1802 entries from the Geissenburg - Lutheran Church per FHL film 0017756: 299: Infant: Anna, b. 2 May 1797, bp. 14 May 1797; parents: Friedrich Brunner und Frau Elizabeth; Testes/Witnesses: Philip Friedrich und Christina Federly. 1105: Infant: Abraham Carnio, b. 27 Nov 1802, bp. 26 Dec 1802; parents: Philip Friedrich und Frau Catharina; Testes/Witnesses: Jacob Friedrich und Frau Eva. 1274: Infant: Susanna, b. 27 Apr 1804, bp. 21 May 1804; parents: John Callemell and Frau Caty; Testes/Witnesses: David Friedrich und Rebecca Carmo. 1360: Infant: Susanna, b. 8 Oct 1804, bp. 18 Nov 1804; parents: Philipp Friedrich und Frau Catharina; Testes/Witnesses: parent. 186: Son: Heinrich Audoph, b. 31 May 1834, bap. 16 Jul 1834; parents: August Frederick und Frau Maria; Testes/Witnesses: Audolph Roge und Frau Mutter Maria. Note: If you will notice when they list the wife, she is listed as und Frau (and wife). Please take note there are both Philip and David Friedrich listed as Testes/Witnesses. Both these names also are in the Records of Rev. John Calvin Toll. I found one listing as (not in the same church): 5795: Infant: Catharina, b. 27 Jun 1785, bp. 16 Aug 1785; parents: Francis Frederick und Frau Susanna Gresaart; witnesses: Philip Frederick und Catharina Schuyler. I believe this is why the name of Catharina Schuyler was mistaken as the wife of Philip Frederick. She is listed as a witness but not necessarily the wife of Philip. [Kerry's note: It should also be noted that the Philip of the generation most assign Schuyler to as a wife would have only been about 7 years old at this time.] Note: Introduction found in the beginning pages of the Geissenberg Church: It is a difficult matter to obtain authentic historical data, concerning a church which ceased to exist as a Congregation in 1836, and whose house of worship was demolished before 1860. The difficulty is increased, owing to the fact that the volume herein transcribed, is not by any means a complete church record, because in the earlier part, it has been copied form an older book as will be seen from the note on page 31. Another church record belonging to the Congregation probably still exists; whether it contains the marriage record of this, the Geisenberg Church, or whether it relates to the Otsquago Church, cannot be determined until the record is found. During the ministry of the Rev. John C. Wieting, and probably for some years later, the Geisenberg and the Otsquago Churches were one ministerial charge, and it is probably that the records were not kept entirely separate from each other. Although the meager historical data obtained leaves the matter in doubt. I am of the opinion that the Otsquago Church is sometimes mentioned in the records, as the Church at Danube or Stark; it was in union with the New York Ministerium, until 1830, after which the name disappears. The churches to which primarily is due, the passing away of the Geisenberg Church, are the Lutheran Church of Freysbush, organized June 28, 1834, the Lutheran Church in Ford's bush, incorporated, Canajoharie, organized in Feb. 1835, by the Rev. John Eisenlord Jr., the last pastor of the Geisenberg Church. The Church was probably supplied from Schoharie or Stone Arabia. The town of Minden was organized on March 2, 1798, being taken off from Canajoharie. On April 7, 1817, the town of Danube was taken off from Minden and annexed to Herkimer County. Note: Also in this church you will find seven children of Thomas Van Horn and Maria Frederick. Geisenberg Church is also known as Saint Paul's Lutheran Church - at Minden. Geisenberg is now known as Hallsville. 1806: Rev. John Calvin Toll (per FHL film 0017760) Records of Births and Baptisms performed by Rev. John Calvin Toll of the Reformed Dutch Church at Middletown (Mapletown), Westerlo (Sprakees) and Canajoharie, N.Y., by Mrs. Frank N. Becker, of Amsterdam, NY. Indian Castle of Nisketone. From Dec. 5, 1803 to Nov. 25, 1844 with alphabetical index. New York Genealogical and Biographical Society. Child: Caty; parents David Frederick and Polly Sybal; b. 26 Jan 1806, bp. 18 May 1806. [Kerry's note: Polly is probably the same as Maria since Polly and Maria are usually interchangeable. This would then make her Maria Seibel whose marriage we also have in this note.] Child: Mary Ann; parents: Phillip Frederick and Caty Germon; b. 16 Apr 1806, bp. 18 May 1806. (From Osquak) Note: I believe this David Frederick could be the brother of Phillip Frederick. Both David and Philip appear in the Geissenburg records if you will notice in the above entries. This child, Mary Ann, would fit numerically in the order of children in our Philip's family group. 1793: Minden, Montgomery County, New York - Church Records (Lutheran) (FHL film 1294886): Philip J., b. @1768, son of Francis Frederick and Susanna Cossadt, of Fonda or Glen, Montgomery Co, md. 22 Oct 1793 at Fonda, Gertrude Miller of Montg. Co., b. @ 1772. [Kerry's note: I distrust this transcription because I believe Mary Lou may have added the information about Francis Frederick/Susanna Cossadt and the approximated birth dates. If, however, the parents' names are indeed Francis and Susanna, it would certainly be a major change in my database. Needs verification.] Hannah Frederick, b. 25 Dec 1797 at Mohawk, Montgomery Co., N.Y., daug. of Philip Frederick and Gertrude Miller. 1805: German Reformed Church - Minden, Ft. Plain, Montgomery, NY (FHL film 1435720). Pages missing/record missing from Oct. 1796 thru to Dec. 1804. The first part of Vol. 1 has been torn out and all the pages of Baptisms of 1809 are missing. Ft. Plain Church began 18 Mar 1788. Marriages 1805: June 2nd: David Frederick and Maria Seibel of Osquack, by John J. Wack. V.L.M. pro tempore. Note: most likely the marriage of Philip and Catherine is among the missing pages."

7. Received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465. Her comments: "FHL film 0506485: 1834 Montgomery County, New York--Deed Index--Grantees 1772-1921: Catherine Frederick from Philip Frederick & Wife, Bk. 34, pg. 242, 2 Feb 1834. Note: It has been brought to my attention that this Catherine Frederick was in the Land Records also in Fulton County. There are people who believe her to be the Catherine who married Philip Frederick our grandparent. However, I found her selling land in 7 Dec 1882 Bk. 108 pg. 214. At this date she would have been well over 100 years old if she was our Catherine who married Philip Frederick."

SOURCES_MISC: 1. Per family group sheet archive record submitted by Mary J. King Timothy (4ggniece). She references: "Hist. Montgomery Co.; N.Y. M.1 p. 113; wills of Montgomery Co. M.12a p. 13, vol. 2; N.Y. Mls, p. 167; F.N.Y F4b, p. 2; F.N. Y. S.4a, p. 293." Copy in files of Kerry Petersen.

Sources

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