Alice (Galligan) Glassen

I tried to answer through email, duh of course it wouldn’t lol this is what I put I hope it all goes through. This pictures didn’t turn it all says the same thing. Hopefully the links would bring you there?

So far I’ve found different books that say the same thing. I do however question the last child Mehitable because she would have been born after marrying Ebenezer.

The paragraph that you posted that came from here https://archive.org/details/championgenealog01trow/page/n91/mode/2up which is also on the Find a Grave pic talks about “ no record of the birth of any daughter of the Champions who would correspond to her has been found” there are birth and wedding sources that have been found.

What I’ve found image0.png Sorry a reg link to the page wouldn’t go through, it skipped to the very first page of the book. Then you’d have to scroll through it. https://archive.org/details/elyancestrylinea00beac/page/88/mode/2up?q=Samuel There’s the link, should be page 88( going by the number of the bottom with the left and right arrows) I haven’t looked to much further into this book yet, not sure if there’s more. I did peak briefly at the son Richards profile that’s there and all the kids above are there with profiles but I haven’t looked at them either. There’s also the information on Samuels page itself, that came from here https://archive.org/details/lineageofrevrich1890math/page/106/mode/2up

I’ve also found this image1.png This is from here https://archive.org/details/lineageofrevrich1890math/page/74/mode/2up?q=Samuel

While I wouldn’t agree with my 15 year old daughter marrying someone being that young marry someone that much older back then they did do that. Wether it a matter of love, money, power or even property it did happen back then. I haven’t found any other Samuel Mather in the area at that time but then I also haven’t been going through the Mather books and lines to be familiar with them. Right now I’m going through the Brockway book and adding what’s in there. That’s three separate separate things plus the sources from Family Search. While I can’t say that 100% that she did marry Samuel and Ebenezer I don’t thank you can say for 100% that she didn’t. I say you leave it and present evidence from both sides and people can come to their own conclusions

Eta were cousins lol

On Aug 2, 2024, at 10:16 AM, WikiTree Profile Comment &lt [email address removed] gt; wrote: Just putting profile in for easy access https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Champion-228

There are more inconsistencies and missing pieces of information than just the age difference. Yes, I do have one "White" ancestor who married at 14, but it wasn't that common. We do have secondary sources saying that Samuel Mather married Deborah "Champion," but the marriage record itself has no last name for her, so what did they base it on? We do have a 1717 marriage record for "Deborah Champion" to Ebenezer Johnson, and we're pretty sure she was the daughter of Thomas Champion, but if this was her second marriage, wouldn't the record have said "Deborah Mather"? But then, it couldn't be a second marriage anyway since Samuel Mather was still living in 1717, and divorce was uncommon. That leaves the possibility that there could have been 2 Deborah Champions. If we can't resolve these issues, perhaps we might consider creating another Deborah Champion profile for Samuel Mather. In the mean time, we can certainly take some time to try to find more answers first if you're up for it.

I doubt that a second profile would work because someone would put in a merge for it.

I’ve been looking for the book that was mentioned (Hall Genealogy) thinking that maybe there’d may be something in there. I’m going to look for a book of Mather as well. With that many books showing the same names there’s definitely more to the story.

First of all which Bessie are you talking about? It would help a lot if you were to link the page with the profile that you’re talking about. There are at least 20 pages of Elizabeth Harvey. This one? https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hayden-3238

Your saying that she married Mosses but yet the profile says that it Ephram. That’s who’s attached. That’s who it says is her husband is. With your age dates she would be marrying someone that’s 41 years older than her Ephram was born in 1730. Your saying he married someone who was born in 1771?

He son Moses was born in 1760. He also married an Elizabeth Harvey. (At least that’s what you had.) I believe you may have put the find a grave on the wrong Elizabeth Harvey. You have both Ephram and Mosses marrying an Elizabeth Harvey. Ephram’s Elizabeth you put a note where it states that you couldn’t change the last name.( I left it because I wasn’t sure how to change it either.)

Also a citation from Family Tree or another book is more reliable than info from find a grave. Have I used find a grave? Yes I have but only when there’s nothing else there.

I also looked at the Family Search profile that you linked on her profile. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L8QV-GCL The only thing that’s there is a land assessment. That doesn’t give her age. There’s nothing there for her age. It also shows that she married Ephram with the same dates that I put on her wikitree profile. Not Mosses, mosses is her son.

I also have them in my family it doesn’t make any difference if the citations aren’t there. I really believe you got the two Elizabeth’s mixed up. I believe the find a grave and the Elizabeth that was born in 1771 was Moses wife. (I didn’t touch her profile. No one has since 2018.)