update - this William replaced with Gamage-15 as father of Gamage-41 & it does not seem that he is the grandfather of Gamage-41 either
Hi PE! I'm working on the profile of the William attached as son of this William & if I'm reading everything right, I think he might be the grandfather, not the father. I think the father is the Godfrey de Gamiches who died in 1176 (who might soon be represented by Gamage-15 - see comments on Gamage-39). Would it be ok if for now I detached this profile as father of William (Gamage) de Gamage (abt.1165-1240), with the intent of replacing that William's father with a profile for Godfrey died 1176, who would then be attached as son of this William?
Let me know if you have objections to that plan. And Thanks!
or maybe not. Another source says Godfrey's father was named Matthew. I've edited the Gamage-15 profile to represent Godfrey who died in 1176 instead of the non-existent or conflated Godfrey who was born in 1176, but am still researching him. Just thought I should mention the wrinkle to you.
GODFREY II GAMAGES Son and heir of Matthew I Gamages and his unknown wife. Father of MATTHEW II GAMAGES, and WILLIAM GAMAGES, died 1236 grandfather of Elizabeth, second wife of Henry II Pembrugg.
[Book of Fees, page 270 ] This same entry is of interest as it records that Godfrey II Gamage who held Mansell Gamage in the hundred of Grimeworth, co. Hereford, as a tenant of Walter de Lacy, and was the father of two sons, Mathew and William. Godfrey and Mathew remained in Normandy and swore allegiance to the French king following the separation of Normandy and England in 1204. This enabled Godfrey to hold their lands in France whilst their English lands were confiscated. However Godfrey had ceded Mansell [along with other lands held in England] to his younger son William, who swore allegiance to the English king.
Hereford – Hundredrum de Grimewasen. Godefridus do Gamages, Normannus, tenuit manerium de Mammeshull' tempore Regis Ricardi de feodo Walteri de Lacy, et habuit duos fillios quorum Matheus fuit senior et Willelmus junior, et eodem tempore dedit dictus Godefridus dictum manerium dicto Willelmo tempore filio suo juniori per servicium ij. militum. Postea in separacione Normannorum et Anglicorum, predictus Matheus remansit in Normannia et dictus Willelmus in Anglia, unde Godefridus de Gamages, filius dicti Regis Willelmi, modo tenet dictam terram et facit servicium heredibus Walteri de Lacy; et sunt ibi in universo due carucate terre que valent per annum vij.l.
Hi PE! I'm working on the profile of the William attached as son of this William & if I'm reading everything right, I think he might be the grandfather, not the father. I think the father is the Godfrey de Gamiches who died in 1176 (who might soon be represented by Gamage-15 - see comments on Gamage-39). Would it be ok if for now I detached this profile as father of William (Gamage) de Gamage (abt.1165-1240), with the intent of replacing that William's father with a profile for Godfrey died 1176, who would then be attached as son of this William?
Let me know if you have objections to that plan. And Thanks!
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
[Book of Fees, page 270 ] This same entry is of interest as it records that Godfrey II Gamage who held Mansell Gamage in the hundred of Grimeworth, co. Hereford, as a tenant of Walter de Lacy, and was the father of two sons, Mathew and William. Godfrey and Mathew remained in Normandy and swore allegiance to the French king following the separation of Normandy and England in 1204. This enabled Godfrey to hold their lands in France whilst their English lands were confiscated. However Godfrey had ceded Mansell [along with other lands held in England] to his younger son William, who swore allegiance to the English king.
Hereford – Hundredrum de Grimewasen. Godefridus do Gamages, Normannus, tenuit manerium de Mammeshull' tempore Regis Ricardi de feodo Walteri de Lacy, et habuit duos fillios quorum Matheus fuit senior et Willelmus junior, et eodem tempore dedit dictus Godefridus dictum manerium dicto Willelmo tempore filio suo juniori per servicium ij. militum. Postea in separacione Normannorum et Anglicorum, predictus Matheus remansit in Normannia et dictus Willelmus in Anglia, unde Godefridus de Gamages, filius dicti Regis Willelmi, modo tenet dictam terram et facit servicium heredibus Walteri de Lacy; et sunt ibi in universo due carucate terre que valent per annum vij.l.