| Thomas Gardner migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 2, p. 731) Join: Puritan Great Migration Project Discuss: pgm |
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Thomas made his will on 7 December 1668; proved 29 March 1675.[37][38] Inventory was taken 4 January 1675 (see below for details). The will mentions,
His will reads (spelling is as shown in will):
An inventory of the goods & estate of Thomas Gardner was taken 4 Jan 1675 by Hilliard Veren, Sr. and John Pickering and totaled £274 16s., including real estate valued at £201: "an old dwelling house with about 10 acres of land adjoining with the orchard, fences &c.," £31; ten acres of ground in the Northfield, £27; about 100 acres of upland and meadow, £100; about 20 acres of land lying in the woods, £3; and about 2 3/4 acres of salt marsh lying above the mill," £40. The inventory also included "2 old barrels of guns" valued at 5s.[39]
Following Thomas Gardner's probate, there was a suit filed by his sons George and Samuel against John Pudney of Salem over a farm that Pudney leased.[40]
Still later, 2 September 1678, George Gardner (now of Hartford) and Samuel Gardner of Salem, as executors Thomas Gardner's estate, sold "all that part of the estate that said Gardner died possessed of and which the said executors have power to sell ..." to John Swinnerton of Salem, physician.[41]
All of the above property with exception of the ten-acre lot in the north field by land of Robert Stone was bought back by Samuel on 22 July 1678, with Thomas Gardner Sen'r his brother being one of the witnesses.
2020 G2G--Edit notes: specific to updates for profile of Thomas Gardner
Sherborne Parish Register. WikiTreeer Bob Dunlap reviewed the registers on Ancestry.com and found most of the relevant entries. See his comment, 2023.
Immigration date? See the profile comment. Are there historical records that prove the man who arrived early with the Dorchester Company is the same man later of Salem?
Estate. A prior version of this profile provided a reference for his estate of "According to County Court records, Case no. 54, March 1675."
Origins. There is no documented proof of his origins or parentage, including no proof that he was the son of Thomas Gardner and Elizabeth White. Both Sidney Gardner and Elizabeth White were previously deleted as parents.
Anderson found that Banks had stated without authority that Gardner might have come from Hurst, Martock parish, Somersetshire.[57]
Anderson further wrote, "An origin in the West County is certain, but the name is common and none of the suggestions made to date has a firm foundation." Also, "George McCracken suggested that the unusual name of the Gardners' last child, Seeth, was an indication that in previous generations there had been a marriage to someone with that surname.[58]
Wife or Wives. A post, "Marriage of Thomas and Margaret," sponsored by the society that bears his name, Thomas Gardner Society argues that information found in 2014 that may explain that Margaret Friar was the first wife of Thomas Gardner and the mother of all of his children, and that he only had one other wife, Demaris ____ (widow Shattock). The Thomas Gardner Society has decided to leave all of Thomas' children attached to Margaret, not to an unknown first wife, as was argued by Robert Charles Anderson in "The Great Migration Begins." The post indicates that Margaret's parents were Walter Friar and Grace Mullins and also states "...there is a record that may show Thomas' parents: Thomas Gardner and Christine Saule."
A research post by the society, Sherborne, Dorset, reports details about the discovered marriage of Thomas Gardiner and Margaret Frier on April 28, 1617 in Sherborne, Dorset, followed by baptisms of sons Thomas and George-- known to be the two oldest sons of the later Salem couple.
There is a 1591 Sherborne baptism of a Thomas Gardiner that would fit this Thomas and a 1598 baptism of Margaret Frier; unfortunately, neither baptism lists the parents. That said, there is a Sherborne marriage record for a Walter Frier and Grace Mullins on 31 Jan 1591, a reasonable timeframe to be Margaret's parents.[59]Image linked to Margaret's profile and available at Family History Centers on-site[60]
Thomas Gardner, with his wife and three children, Thomas, George and Richard, went in the spring of 1624 to Cape Ann, Thomas to be overseer of plantation. Thomas (Jr.) was misread on the passenger list to be Joseph. It soon became evident that this new endeavor was not going to go as well as hoped, and before the end of the summer, Margaret realized she was pregnant and thought it best to move her family back home. Her son John was born, and baptized Dec. 7, 1624. Meanwhile Thomas Sr. stayed on, (or not), and left in the autumn of 1626 along with the other "ill-behaved, thriftless and weak-minded" settlers, because his wages were paid and passage was free. Based on the positions he held when he finally did get to Salem, those descriptions certainly don't apply to him. But he could have just wanted to go home. He would have gotten home just in time to help conceive Samuel, who was baptized July 18, 1627. Then the Gardner's waited until Naumkeag had become Salem and become stabilized enough to raise a family before they returned, probably in early 1635. This may just make for a good story, but I think it is good enough to just say we don't know for sure that Thomas of the Dorchester Company was not the same as Thomas of Salem.
You can make up a story of Thomas Gardner going back and forth between England and Massachusetts, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest this. That he kept having children regularly until 1633, shows that you can absolutely discount the possibility that Thomas Gardner of the Dorchester Company was the same person as Thomas Gardner of Salem - there is no chance they are the same person.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2016/04/cape-ann-retrospective.html
It was in good shape when Endicott had it brought over to Salem. Too, the Cape Ann area would have had plantings that were successful, plus game, and the basic needs of life.
Let's hear it for technology, when it works.
Okay, kudos for digging in. It has been nine years since we first saw information about the marriage. The first of the sons were in the digitized information, too.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/09/thomas-and-margaret.html
Two Thomases? That was something that kept popping up.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2019/06/two-thomas-gardners-in-salem.html
One of the pending items was resolving where Thomas was after the Cape Ann move. He was not on the original list going over to Naumkeag. Nor was he with the VA-going crowd. The authors of the "Paine ancestry" book thought that he might have gone back to England.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2012/01/where-was-thomas.html
Was there not a Thomas Gardner death around 1635 or so?
Thank you.
Might it be that his wife remained in England for some period, and that he traveled back and forth?
I too think a G2G on this is a good idea. How can I help? --Gene
Edited to add. Opps, I see that you have already added the G2G, TYTY. See Comments on Thomas Gardner of Salem 1591-1674.
Also, have added a research note relative to Bob's great effort.
(found it in one of my posts) : Her husband Thomas Gardner was one of two Overseers of her fathers will and clearly close to and trusted by the family. In 1623/4 as a successful yeoman farmer he was employed by the Dorchester Co to oversee the establishment of their first settlement at Cape Ann in New England. After about a year Roger White arranged for governship of the settlement to be handed over to Roger Conant and Thomas Gardner returned to England.
http://www.opcdorset.org/fordingtondorset/Files/DorchesterRevJohnWhite1575-1648.html
There have been lots of stories over the many years. I was trying to collect these. But, as the web matures, pages disappear. I'm too lazy (and old) to do wayback. But, the blog has reference to some of these items.
Rev. Hubbard's manuscript was the first to mention Thomas Gardner (along with Tylly - who was just featured in an article in NEHGR). Felt had some information. People would have been traveling there post the cool-down after the 1812 turmoil and would have brought back tidbits.
Interesting stories, to say the least.
Oh yes, the Peirce family had some things to share as well.
Where besides ancestry can one find these images?
So who was he?
https://archive.org/details/recordsoffirstch00firs_0/page/n27/mode/2up
We need to look at social issues, too. Two of Thomas' daughters married sons of the Old Planters.
Time to look at the FAQ, again, and get it up to date.
'Tis this lady who, according to her granddaughter, got the discussion going (which Frank would have heard).
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-10970 Elizabeth (Gardner) Amory (1843 - 1930)
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https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html
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But, Rev. John White beat her to the punch by assigning the title to someone who never came here.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2022/03/whos-on-first.html
To answer your question about project protection, the only thing that does is prevent family members from being added or deleted (spouses, children, parents). That is usually done only when needed because there has been a history of people making unsupported changes based on no sources or weak sources. If you look at the "Changes" tab you can see a history of duplicate merge submissions that were cancelled, unsourced parents that were removed etc. This is probably why Thomas was "project protected".
Other than that, everyone on WikiTree who is pre-1700 certified can edit and improve the format, add sources, and improve other data fields. Of course, all this with proper sourcing per the pre-1700 guidelines. Thomas' profile could certainly use some improving; links could be provided to sources etc. His data section and biography narrative have fallen out of sync which does happen with a lot of cooks in the kitchen.
The PGM project curates well over 7,000 profiles with about 70 volunteer team members, only a few of those have the spare time to be regularly involved on a daily basis. I can't speak for non-PGM profile managers of course. The point is, there is always more work to be done than hands available and most of us spend a lot of time working on profiles who we are not related to just because we are trying to improve the shared tree. As you pointed out, it takes time to hand-craft a unique, well-written profile.
So with that said, any improvements you can make to Thomas Gardner in the spirit of WikiTree collaboration would be great. You are clearly already familar with this man and his family.
Regarding the text in the bio about his marriages, while different wording could be used and I don't want to argue writing style with you, it is accurate to say that he married multiple women even if not all primary records are found. As you noted, it is proven that he married Damaris, and some things are known about her. It is proven that he married previously and the TAG:30 article (https://americanancestors.org/DB283/i/11829/156/0) and Thomas Gardner society link include some information about this, so we do need to include that information somewhere under a "Marriage" topic. It's a challenge to balance a timeline-based narrative with one that makes it quick and easy for a viewer to answer the questions "who were his wives" and "who were his children" and to pull out key data when looking for duplicates or trying to see if family members are correct.
Thanks again for your interest in this profile and I look forward to seeing your contriubtions.
Unless there are objections, I'll work this morning to add some of Anderson's source of the source to some of the genealogically significant items in the profile.
I doubt this will resolve all the concerns Robert raised, but will give it a go. --Gene
Edited to add: I have completed this brief work, though more verbatim passages may still exist, particularly in the child list.
I have updated much of the biography to incorporate Anderson's sources in the references notes attributed to him. In some cases, I pulled those references and included links to the records as a separate citation.
It would be wonderful if folks could pull all of those "source of the source" references and include them as inline citations. WikiTree has a listing that covers most of the sources Anderson cites. See "Sources used in the Great Migration series".
--Gene
I am for getting Thomas' (and kin's) Profile in a mode that represents the guy and his times (and what these means to us now.)
This G2G still applies. How do we accomplish this?
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1129086/coordinating-coming-edits-thomas-gardner-gardner-159-page
Too, can we do it right this time?
Here was the removed edit for reference:
Thomas Gardner's role included serving as an Overseer of the "old planters" party of the Dorchester Company. The Company landed in 1624 at Cape Ann. They formed a colony in the area of what is now Gloucester, Massachusetts. While he did not have an appointment as an official governor, his roles constituted the roles that a governor of a colony would have performed. As such, Gardner is considered by some to have been the first de facto Governor of Massachusetts. (As Gardner had authority over the first settlement that became the Massachusetts Bay Colony and which later also subsumed the Plymouth Colony)
To be clear, I don't object to adding that sticker nor do I object to adding an explanation in his bio of why his role in the early settlement of Massachusetts is considered to be significant. It looks to me like that Wikipedia article is relying primarily on Frank Gardner, Thomas Gardner Planter and Some of his Descendants (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1907) (Internet Archive, https://archive.org/details/thomasgardnerpl00gardgoog) as the source for this point, so we could add that as a source to the profile.
Having said that, I still think that characterizing him as the de facto first governor of Massachusetts is a stretch. I would suggest a more balanced presentation of these facts about him in the WikiTree profile.
I will admit that I do have a pet peeve against the overuse of stickers. I feel they serve very little purpose and tend to just clutter up a profile.
But, the whole of the Dorset and Dorchester deal requires a little more attention due to the timing, the people involved, such as the investors, and how we can learn from that experience things that apply down to the present day.
Wikipedia? I started that page when I first got into this stuff (having been involved with computational mathematics and such). Immediately, I saw the truth engineering connections.
Then, I learned of NOR and the other rules. I'm a jump in and compute guy, though I started back in the days of cards and their punching (and chards ;>).
On the other hand, I have been slowly making the Wikipedia page agree with the rules. Notice, Anderson is now quoted.
BTW, everyone, I see that Dr. Frank was thrown out of the NEHGS (if I read the record right, or he just didn't pay - whatever); Anderson didn't quote the MD - so, we have lots of things to look at there.
In the meantime, independent research ought to be allowed, even encouraged.
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Everyone - here is the original that influenced Dr. Frank (I would bet) --- See 1st Governor.
Quote: Elizabeth Gardner Amory. Elizabeth's granddaughter, Dorothy Winthrop Bradford, writes about discussions with her. The image is from the book, Reared in a Greenhouse (preview mode at Google books) by Dorothy B. Wexler. :etouQ
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html
Here is language from his Wikipedia page that could be modified:
Thomas Gardner was an Overseer of the "old planters" party of the Dorchester Company who landed in 1624 at Cape Ann to form a colony at what is now known as Gloucester. Gardner is considered by some to have been the first Governor of Massachusetts, due to his being in authority in the first settlement that became the Massachusetts Bay Colony (into which was later subsumed the Plymouth Colony).
Quote: This year, there was mention of the 'real' first governor, as in being appointed over there. The commenter (David Cuckson had written a book on the subject). He mentioned Sir Walter Erle (Wikipedia, WikiTree) as having the role as appointed by Rev. John White, himself, about whom we have had several posts, since one sister married a Thomas Gardner and another married into a family that came over here. :etouQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Erle
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Erle-16
Appointed by https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2021/02/dorchester-company-further.html
But, I did run down an early source. Notice, this was in 2014.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html
Here is some recent information.
https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2022/03/whos-on-first.html
Now, with regard to Dorchester Company and Rev. John White (kin to my in-laws - my people are all post the Civil War - American, that is --- makes me independent --- no axes to grind, except for truth which has to be engineering --- and, I might add, WikiTree is a type of tool for that) and Thomas Gardner (there were two, according to the lady who did the search Frances T) and others, there is a whole lot of significance.
Now, we can change the Profile, however let's do it right.
With regard to coordinating edits, there is a project on-going. See https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1144201/edit-notes-specific-to-updates-for-profile-of-thomas-gardner.
With regard to general issues, see this G2G. I moved the comment about the burial site's disposition over there. https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1129086/coordinating-coming-edits-the-thomas-gardner-gardner-page
There were 'Edit notes' which referenced these images: https://thomasgardnersociety.org/html/Research/Sherborne.html#images These notes are now at this G2G: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1144201/edit-notes-specific-to-updates-for-profile-of-thomas-gardner.
The approach was going to be to clean it up (remove most of these images) and then use Anderson's book as the basis with changes/notes based upon later research.
So, is this our Thomas and Margaret? Needs careful consideration. One person mentioned doing something for the NEHGR. Want to help with that?
Note: Edit notes on this Profile point to Margaret's Profile or Gardner Research wrt to images from Sherborne records.
Follow this link: [1]
Cheryl PGM Leader
Would not removing those images improve the look of the Profile? Also, if this is not an appropriate place for such a comment, please let me know.
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Gardner-159&diff=92873668&oldid=92821960
For me, the work will be dedicated to first cousin Frank (MD and author) who got this started.
Caveat: My focus is advanced computational support for modern processes which include research. I am using an embed, improve method which can be effective. Actually, the 'wiki' approach was one of the chief attributes that made WikiTree so appealing to me. I will push this up my priority queue for the next few weeks.
This also says that Anderson's theory that there was an unknown first wife is incorrect I am frankly surprised at Anderson's supposition based on differing dates of admittance to the church - this was in fact extremely common.
New view, lots of new research opportunities: The remains of Thomas? We do not know.
His stone was moved to Harmony Grove. Grandson Abel, son of son Samuel (ancestor), and his wife were of those whose stones were moved, as well.
It is unclear how many gravestone were moved, whose bodies may have been re-interned, or just how many graves were left to be scraped by the road work or to be covered over by the progress of building. More research is to be done. Dr. Frank talked to George Augustus Gardner about, and read the, notes that George had that had been written by Samuel Pickering Gardner (see Gardner Memorial - page 17).
We have both his paternal and maternal tree filled in (profile focus) and are working on editing for format (sources, et al) plus completeness.
His maternal tree was accomplished by using his personal notes (ca 1907).
Original note that precipitated discussion about the records (which I just verified that I have, on our server).
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-11627
Right now, I point to his Gardner tree via an ahnentafel (sourced) on the profile. I have his handwritten lineage for his mother which I will be adding in the next week.
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