Thomas Gardner
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Thomas Gardner (abt. 1592 - 1674)

Thomas Gardner aka Gardiner
Born about in Sherborne, Dorset, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 28 Apr 1617 in Sherborne, Dorset, Englandmap
Husband of — married about 1641 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 82 in Salem, Essex, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 27 Sep 2010
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Thomas Gardner migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 2, p. 731)
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Contents

Biography

Notables Project
Thomas Gardner is Notable.
This profile is part of the Gardner Name Study.
Thomas Gardner has recently been proven to be from Sherborne, Dorset, England with the discovery of the baptism of seven of his children.[1] He was baptized on 30 October 1591 in Sherborne.[2] This fits well with his deposed age of "about 69 years" on 26 November 1661.[3][4] Anderson states that Thomas Gardner's origins are unknown, but that was of course before the discovery of the baptism of his children.[5] Anderson also equates him with the Thomas Gardner who immigrated in 1624, though this is certainly incorrect as this Thomas Gardner had children born at Sherborne continuously until 1633.
He married first Margaret Friar on 28 April 1617 at Sherborne.[6] They had eight children born at Sherborne, of which the baptisms of seven can be found at Sherborne. The names of these children exactly match the known children of Thomas Gardiner of Salem, Massachusetts. Their last child was born in Salem in December 1636. Note that she did not die in 1636 as hypothesized by Anderson.
The earliest record of Thomas Gardner in Salem is not until January 1635/6 when he signed a land grant to Thomas Scruggs, and again in February 1635/6 when he signed a grant to John Blacklech.[7] He was probably acting in the capacity as a selectman for the town. Most likely he was among the many who immigrated to New England in 1635. He is frequently said to be the same as the Thomas Gardner who was part of the Dorchester Company's fishing colony and arrived in 1624. However, they are not the same person. This is an error found in many secondary sources including Gardner, Banks, Ferris, and even in Anderson's Great Migration series.[8][9][10][11][12]
Beginning in 1636, Thomas Gardner is found frequently and serving in many capacities in the town records of Salem. His name appears among those who were church members in late 1636.[13] He was made a freeman on 17 May 1637.[14] Thomas Gardner was named deputy for Salem to the Massachusetts Bay General Court on 26 September 1637.[15] He served on Essex grand juries 25 February 1641, 27 January 1643/4, and July 1644.[16][17] He was also named to petit juries. Thomas was fined for failing to appear for service on 29 June 1641, but appeared and served some thirteen times between 1643/4 and 1658.[18][19][20] Further, Gardner served on four other juries between 1636 and 1640.[21] Thomas Gardner also was at various times a Salem selectman, constable, fence viewer, highway surveyor, and rater.
He operated an inn, for which his license was issued and/or renewed many times 1660s for the sale of "strong drink." In June 1667, the license was amended to allow him to sell only to "strangers" and not to townsmen.[22]
He married, as his second wife, Damaris (_____) Shattuck. She was called the widow Shattock in 1641. "The wife of Thomas Gardner Sr" was fined for frequent absence from the public ordinances on Lord's days, along with a number of other Quakers, November Term 1660 [#EQC 2:265]. This was merely the beginning of a long string of such fines and official harassment that eventually convinced several of the sons to move with their families away from Salem. Thomas Gardner Sr. is never named as having absented himself from public worship, and history is silent on his opinion on the matter."[23]
Thomas Gardner died in Salem 29 December 1674, "husband of Damaris."[24]

Marriages and Children

Married: 1st - Margaret Friar on 28 April 1617 in Sherborne, Dorset, England.[25] She was baptized on 5 June 1598 in Sherborne.[26] They had eight children born in Sherborne and then one born in Salem. Margaret died after 24 March 1639/40 when she was admitted to the church in Salem.[27]
Married: 2nd - Damaris (_____) Shattuck after 2 July 1641. She was "widow Shattock" when she joined the Salem Church 2 July 1641.[28] She died Salem 28 November 1674,[29] one month before her husband. (See TAG 30:165-68 for discussion of this woman and her many connections to the Pope and Gardner families.)
Children of Thomas Gardner and Margaret Friar:
  1. Thomas Gardner. Baptized on 8 march 1617/8 in Sherborne, Dorset, England.[30] He was the eldest son with a double share in his father's will. He married (1) by 1643 Hannah Hapscott[?]; he married (2) Elizabeth Horne, daughter of John Horne. Thomas died 29 November 1682 in Salem.
  2. George Gardner. Baptized on 8 march 1617/8 in Sherborne.[31] He was made a freeman on 27 December 1642. He married (1) by 1644 Hannah ____; married (2) by 1654 Elizabeth (Freestone) Turner, baptized Horncastle, Lincolnshire, 17 October 1619, dau of Richard and Margery (Freestone) Freestone, and widow of Robert Turner, shoemaker, of Boston; married (3) after 1663 Elizabeth (Allen) Stone, widow of Rev. Samuel Stone. (For the identity of these three wives, Anderson followed the work of George E. McCracken [TAG 30:158-66].) George died 20 Aug 1679 in Kingston, Rhode Island.
  3. Richard Gardner. Baptized on 20 July 1622 in Sherborne.[32]Richard died 23 first month (March) 1688 in Nantucket. [Anderson claims born 1636 having died 1724, age 92, BUT Anderson did not examine the sources cited in his source; it was Richard's wife who died in 1724; Nantucket VR clearly lists a 1688 death for Richard and a 1724 death for his wife.] He married about 1652 (probably in Salem) Sarah Shattuck, daughter of his stepmother Damaris (_____) (Shattuck) Gardner. [TAG 30:168].
  4. John Gardner. Baptized on 7 December 1624 in Sherborne.[33] (died Nantucket 6 July 1706, aged 82); married 20 February 1653/4 Priscilla Grafton [NanVR, citing "William C. Folger genealogical records in the possession of the Nantucket Historical Association"; this marriage probably took place in Salem.] Known as Captain John Gardner. He died May 1706 in Nantucket and is buried in the old burial ground on "Forefather's Hill." The original gravestone is still in existence, the only original gravestone of any of the early settlers. At present, it is kept in the old Coffin House (horseshoe house). A granite stone stands in its place at the grave, upon which is inscribed: "Here lyes buried ye body of John Gardner, Esq., age 82, who died May 1706. This stone erected in 1881 replaces one removed for preservation, which marked this spot for 175 years." His will was dated 2 December 1705 and probated on 2 October 1706.
  5. Samuel Gardner. Baptized on 18 July 1627 in Sherborne.[34] He married (1) before 1658 Mary White, daughter of John and Elizabeth (____) White; married (2) Salem, 2 August 1680 Elizabeth _____ Paine.
  6. Joseph Gardner, born about 1629 or 1630 (estimated about age 16 in 1645/6). No baptism has been found for Joseph, however, he was certainly born in the gap between Samuel and Sarah. Most of the baptisms for Sherborne are unreadable for 1629 and Joseph's was certainly one of them. He married Ann Downing, daughter of Emmanuel Downing; she married (2) 6 June 1676 Simon Bradstreet. Samuel died about Oct 1689 in Essex, Massachusetts.
  7. Sarah Gardner. Baptized on 6 February 1630/1 in Sherborne.[35] She married about 1650 as first of his three wives Benjamin Balch, son of John Balch. Sarah died 15 Apr 1686 in Massachusetts.
  8. Miriam Gardner. Baptized on 24 March 1632/3 in Sherborne.[36] She married by 1657 as his first wife John Hill; he married (2) Salem 26 August 1664 Lydia Buffum. Miriam died before August 1664.
  9. Seeth Gardner. Baptized Salem 25 December 1636 [SChR 16]; married (1) Joshua Conant, son of Roger Conant; married (2) 1 December 1659, John Grafton, son of Joseph Grafton. She died 17 April 1707.

Last Will & Testament

Thomas made his will on 7 December 1668; proved 29 March 1675.[37][38] Inventory was taken 4 January 1675 (see below for details). The will mentions,

  • my wife Damaris [still living at the time he wrote the will, although she died one month before he did]
  • my six sons
  • my daughter Sara Balch
  • my daughter Seeth Grafton
  • my daughter Mirian Hills (and her daughters Miriam and Susanna Hill)
  • sons George and John Gardner
  • sons Samuel and Joseph Gardner
  • my son Thomas

His will reads (spelling is as shown in will):

"Weighing the uncertainty of man's life I doe therefore in the time of my health, make this my last will as followeth:
First, I leave unto my wife Damaris, all that estate shee brought with her according to dower agreement: likewise I give unto her eight pounds, by the year during her life, to be pd her by my six sonns out of that estate I shall leave with them, which eight pounds I give on this condition, that shee give up to them her right to the third pt of my housing and lands during her life.
2---I give to my daughter Sara Balch: fifteene pounds.
3---I give to my daughter Seeth Grafton fifteene pounds.
4---I give to my daughter Miriam Hills two daughters, Miriam Hill and Susanna Hill to each of them five pounds to be pd to them, when they shall accomplish the age of eighteen yeares, or at theire marriage.
I give unto my sons George & John Gardner that pt of my salt meddow, lying on the west side of Capt. George Corwin's meddow, which I value at twenty pounds.
I give unto my sonns Samuell and Joseph Gardner, the other pt of my salt meddow lying on the east side of Capt. Corwin's meddow, wch I do likewise value at twenty pounds.
My will is further that my houseing with the rest of my lands & goods & estate with the meddow before mentioned, shall be divided into seaven equall pts: which I doe give to my six sons, as followeth: first I give to my son Thomas two pts of ye seaven, he paying to his mother in law forty-six shillings by the yeare, during her life.
2nd. I give to my son George Gardner one pt of the seven, he paying to his mother in law 23 shill. by the yeare during her life.
3rd. I give to my son Richard ..." (as above; also John, Samuel and Joseph have similar bequests in the order named).
"I doe appoynt my sons George and Samuell to be the executors of this my will & doe desire my loveing friends Mr. Joseph Grafton Sen and Deacon Horne to be my overseers to see this my will performed."
Signed: Thomas Gardner, The 7:10:68
Wit: Robert Pease, Samuell Goldthrite.
"On the 29 March 1675: Robert Pease & Samuell Goldthrite came before the worshipfull Edward King Esq. and Maj. Hathorne Esq. & Hilliard Veren clearke of the court at Salem, being present & gave oath that the above written was assigned to & declared the last will and testament of ye sd Tho: Gardner & that there is no latter will of his that they know of. Attest Hilliard Veren clerk."

Estate

An inventory of the goods & estate of Thomas Gardner was taken 4 Jan 1675 by Hilliard Veren, Sr. and John Pickering and totaled £274 16s., including real estate valued at £201: "an old dwelling house with about 10 acres of land adjoining with the orchard, fences &c.," £31; ten acres of ground in the Northfield, £27; about 100 acres of upland and meadow, £100; about 20 acres of land lying in the woods, £3; and about 2 3/4 acres of salt marsh lying above the mill," £40. The inventory also included "2 old barrels of guns" valued at 5s.[39]

Following Thomas Gardner's probate, there was a suit filed by his sons George and Samuel against John Pudney of Salem over a farm that Pudney leased.[40]

Still later, 2 September 1678, George Gardner (now of Hartford) and Samuel Gardner of Salem, as executors Thomas Gardner's estate, sold "all that part of the estate that said Gardner died possessed of and which the said executors have power to sell ..." to John Swinnerton of Salem, physician.[41]

All of the above property with exception of the ten-acre lot in the north field by land of Robert Stone was bought back by Samuel on 22 July 1678, with Thomas Gardner Sen'r his brother being one of the witnesses.

Common Errors to Avoid

Disambiguation: He is frequently said to be the same as the Thomas Gardner who was part of the Dorchester Company's fishing colony who arrived in 1624. However, they are not the same person. This is an error found in many secondary sources including Gardner, Banks, Ferris and even in Anderson's Great Migration series.[42][9][43][11][44] Of course, similar statements that he was the overseer of the Dorchester Company's fishing colony adventure, or that he removed Roger Conant to Salem are incorrect.[45][46]
Immigration: He is commonly said to have first arrived in New England in 1624 as part of the Dorchester Company's fishing colony. The discovery of his origins and the baptism of his children has shown this to be impossible. It should also be noted that there are no records of Thomas Gardner in New England between 1626 and 1636. He also received no special treatment or land grants as one of the "Old Planters" which he would have received if he was among those who arrived in 1624.
Immigration on the Zouch Phoenix: Banks states that Thomas Gardner arrived on the Zouch Phoenix with his wife and children Richard, George and Joseph.[9] This was an incorrect supposition by Banks and there are no records to support this. Thomas Gardner on the Zouch Phoenix was a different man from this Thomas Gardner. The wife of this Thomas Gardner was in Sherborne having children continuously from 1618 to 1633. Richard and George were age 2 and 4 and would not have been part of this fishing adventure, and Joseph wasn't even born yet.
Three wives: Anderson in his Great Migration biography of Thomas Gardner supposes that he had three wives: the first being the mother of his children who died about 1636, the second being the Margaret Gardner admitted to the church in 1640, and the third being the Widow Shattock that he married in 1641. This theory is based only on a 1637 land grant for a household of seven people, and since the household should have had eight people in it that perhaps his wife had died. There is no actual evidence of his wife dying, and there are other explanations for why the land grant was for only seven people. Since it is now proven that his wife was Margaret Friar, and that he was still married to a Margaret in 1640, the best explanation is that he had only two wives, Margaret Friar and the Widow Shattock.
Name of 1st wife: (See The American Genealogist 30:156 for discussion of yet-to-be-confirmed claims she was Margaret Friar.)

Research Notes

2020 G2G--Edit notes: specific to updates for profile of Thomas Gardner

Sherborne Parish Register. WikiTreeer Bob Dunlap reviewed the registers on Ancestry.com and found most of the relevant entries. See his comment, 2023.

The Baptisms for all of Thomas Gardner's children have been found at Sherborne, Dorset. This conclusively proves his origins.
Oct. 30, 1591, Thomas Gardiner, bapti.[47]
June 5, 1598, Margaret Ffriar, bapti.[48]
April 28, 1617, Thomas Gardiner et Margaret Ffrier nupti.[49]
March 8, 1617[/18], Thomas Gardiner filius Thomas Gardiner bapti.[50]
Jan. 1, 1619[/20], George Gardiner filius Thomas Gardiner bapti.[51]
July 20, 1622, Richardus Gardiner filius Thomas Gardiner _______(?) bapti.[52]
Dec. 7, 1624, John Gardiner filius Thomas Gardiner menori(?) bapti, Image 435.[53]
July 18, 1627, Samuel Gardener filius Thomas Gardener bap.[54]
Feb. 6, 1630[/31], Sara Gardiner filia Thomas Gardiner bap.[55]
Mar. 24, 1632[/33], Miriam Gardiner filia Thomas bpt.[56]

Immigration date? See the profile comment. Are there historical records that prove the man who arrived early with the Dorchester Company is the same man later of Salem?

Estate. A prior version of this profile provided a reference for his estate of "According to County Court records, Case no. 54, March 1675."

Origins. There is no documented proof of his origins or parentage, including no proof that he was the son of Thomas Gardner and Elizabeth White. Both Sidney Gardner and Elizabeth White were previously deleted as parents.

Anderson found that Banks had stated without authority that Gardner might have come from Hurst, Martock parish, Somersetshire.[57]

Anderson further wrote, "An origin in the West County is certain, but the name is common and none of the suggestions made to date has a firm foundation." Also, "George McCracken suggested that the unusual name of the Gardners' last child, Seeth, was an indication that in previous generations there had been a marriage to someone with that surname.[58]

Wife or Wives. A post, "Marriage of Thomas and Margaret," sponsored by the society that bears his name, Thomas Gardner Society argues that information found in 2014 that may explain that Margaret Friar was the first wife of Thomas Gardner and the mother of all of his children, and that he only had one other wife, Demaris ____ (widow Shattock). The Thomas Gardner Society has decided to leave all of Thomas' children attached to Margaret, not to an unknown first wife, as was argued by Robert Charles Anderson in "The Great Migration Begins." The post indicates that Margaret's parents were Walter Friar and Grace Mullins and also states "...there is a record that may show Thomas' parents: Thomas Gardner and Christine Saule."

A research post by the society, Sherborne, Dorset, reports details about the discovered marriage of Thomas Gardiner and Margaret Frier on April 28, 1617 in Sherborne, Dorset, followed by baptisms of sons Thomas and George-- known to be the two oldest sons of the later Salem couple.

There is a 1591 Sherborne baptism of a Thomas Gardiner that would fit this Thomas and a 1598 baptism of Margaret Frier; unfortunately, neither baptism lists the parents. That said, there is a Sherborne marriage record for a Walter Frier and Grace Mullins on 31 Jan 1591, a reasonable timeframe to be Margaret's parents.[59]Image linked to Margaret's profile and available at Family History Centers on-site[60]

Question: Can we confirm that this Sherborne family (Thomas and Margaret with sons Thomas and George) disappears from Sherborne records after 1624, the known migration year of the Salem, Massachusetts family?

Sources

  1. See G2G discussion: Comments on Thomas Gardner of Salem 1591-1674. (First post 16 Feb 2023, Bob Dunlap).
  2. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner, 30 Oct. 1591. Image 388 of 834.
  3. Citing "EQC 2:320," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995, 731-737 (Thomas Gardner), at 733; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  4. George Francis Dow, Records and files of the Quarterly courts of Essex county, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (Salem, Mass. : Essex Institute, 1911-19750, 2:320-321; digital images, Hathi Trust, on p. 321, testimony of Thomas Gardner, November 1661, aged about sixty-nine years.
  5. Anderson, Robert Charles, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, volume 3: P - W. (Boston: NEHGS, 1995): pages 731-737. Available at AmericanAncestors.org $.
  6. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner et Margaret Ffrier, 28 Apr. 1617. Image 424 of 834.
  7. Salem. Town Records of Salem, vol. 1. (1868): pages 13 and 14.
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  11. 11.0 11.1 Anderson. The Great Migration Begins, vol. 3. (1995): pages 731-737.
  12. See the profile of Thomas Gardner of the Dorchester Company for more discussion.
  13. Pierce. The Records of the First Church in Salem. (1974): page 5.
  14. Shurtleff. Records of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, vol. 1. (1853): page 373.
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  25. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner et Margaret Ffrier, 28 Apr. 1617. Image 424 of 834.
  26. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Margaret Ffriar, 5 June 1598. Image 398 of 834.
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  28. Pierce. The Records of the First Church in Salem. (1974): page 11.
  29. "Massachusetts Deaths and Burials, 1795-1910," database, FamilySearch  : 10 February 2018), Thomas Gardner in entry for Damaris Gardner, 28 Nov 1674; citing Salem, Essex, Massachusetts, reference: FHL microfilm 877,468.[2]
  30. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner, 8 Mar. 1617/8. Image 425 of 834.
  31. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). George Gardiner, 1 Jan. 1619/20. Image 427 of 834.
  32. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Richardus Gardiner, 20 July 1622. Image 431 of 834.
  33. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). John Gardiner, 7 Dec. 1624. Image 435 of 834.
  34. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Samuel Gardener , 18 July 1627. Image 439 of 834.
  35. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Sara Gardiner, 6 Feb. 1630/1. Image 444 of 834.
  36. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Miriam Gardiner, 24 Mar. 1632/3. Image 447 of 834.
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  39. George Francis Dow, The probate records of Essex County, Massachusetts, 3 vols. (Salem, Mass., Essex Institute, 1916-1920), 2:423-425 (Estate of Thomas Gardner of Salem); digital images, Hathi Trust.
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  41. Citing "ELR 5:3," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995, 731-737 (Thomas Gardner), at 733; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  42. Gardner. Thomas Gardner: Planter. (1907): pages 3-4.
  43. Ferris. Dawes-Gates Ancestral Lines, vol. 1. (1931-1943): pages 304-306.
  44. See the profile of Thomas Gardner of the Dorchester Company for more discussion.
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  46. Young. Chronicles of the First Planters. (1846): [page 23.
  47. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner, 30 Oct. 1591. Image 388 of 834.
  48. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Margaret Ffriar, 5 June 1598. Image 398 of 834.
  49. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner et Margaret Ffrier, 28 Apr. 1617. Image 424 of 834.
  50. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Thomas Gardiner, 8 Mar. 1617/8. Image 425 of 834.
  51. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). George Gardiner, 1 Jan. 1619/20. Image 427 of 834.
  52. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Richardus Gardiner, 20 July 1622. Image 431 of 834.
  53. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). John Gardiner, 7 Dec. 1624. Image 435 of 834.
  54. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Samuel Gardener , 18 July 1627. Image 439 of 834.
  55. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Sara Gardiner, 6 Feb. 1630/1. Image 444 of 834.
  56. Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812, Sherborne parish. (Ancestry.com online database, original images). Miriam Gardiner, 24 Mar. 1632/3. Image 447 of 834.
  57. Citing "Topo Dict 143," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995, 731-737 (Thomas Gardner), at 734; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  58. Citing TAG30:157," Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., 1995, 731-737 (Thomas Gardner), at 734; digital images by subscription, AmericanAncestors.
  59. Dorset Online Parish Clerks (transcription) https://www.opcdorset.org/SherborneFiles/SherborneMars1560-1599.htm
  60. Bishop's transcripts for Sherborne, 1585-1880 FHL film 1239227 Items 8 - 15 https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/490967
See also:
  • Banks, Charles Edward. The Planters of the Commonwealth. (Boston, 1930): page 58.
  • Essex County Courts. Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex... volume 1: 1636-1656. (Salem: The Essex Institute, 1911). HathiTrust link
  • Ferris, Mary Walton. Dawes-Gates ancestral lines : a memorial volume containing the American ancestry of Rufus R. Dawes. (Milwaukee: Cuneo Press, available at ancestry.com, 1931-1943): pages 304-306.
  • Gardner, Frank Augustine. Thomas Gardner: Planter (Cape Ann, 1623-1626; Salem, 1626 1674) and Some of his Descendants. (Salem: Essex Institute, 1907). Google Books link.
  • Pierce, Richard D. ed. The Records of the First Church in Salem, Massachusetts, 1629-1736. (Salem 1974): page 5.
  • Salem. William F. Upham ed. Town Records of Salem, Massachusetts, volume 1 1634-1659. (Salem: The Essex Institute, 1868). Internet Archive link.
  • Shurtleff, Nathaniel Bradstreet ed. Records of the Governor and Company of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, volume 1 1628-1641. (Boston, 1853).Internet Archive link.
  • Young, Alexander. Chronicles of the First Planters of the Colony of Massachusetts Bay, 1623-1636 (Boston, C. C. Little and J. Brown, 1846): [page 23.
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Possible family connection to James born 1638 in MA??? https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-1468?
posted by Beryl Meehan
Why is Thomas Gardner marked as "Notable"?
posted by Cheryl Hammond
He has a Wikipedia entry, therefore he qualifies as notable,
posted by Andrew Millard
I just disconnected from this profile a picture of a source from Family Search. It goes against both Wikitree's and FamilySearch's terms of use. A link to the document does the trick. No need to reproduce their material here.
On Thomas' updated biography: I'm not sure we can totally discount the possibility that Thomas of Salem and Thomas of the Dorchester Company were the same person. I had suggested that, and GeneJ X questioned it with "maybe he went back and forth". So it got me looking a little deeper. Charles Banks is sometimes easy to dismiss because he doesn't give any sources, but looking a little deeper into his passenger list for the Zouch Phenix, most of the people on the list do show up in prominent positions, later in Salem. So if Thomas didn't go there, what happened to him? Sidney Perley's "History of Salem" is exhaustive (and exhausting) in details about what happened to the Dorchester Company and the eventual settling of Naumkeag/Salem. There are several mentions of John Balch, John Woodbury, Peter Palfrey, and William Trask, all on Banks' Zouch Phenix passenger list. If Thomas was such an important part of the attempted establishment of the Cape Ann settlement, why isn't he considered important enough to be invited to go to Naumkeag with Roger Conant, when the failed settlement moved there in 1626? Thomas' original job at Cape Ann was to be "overseer of plantation"; John Tilley was overseer of fisheries. In 1625, Roger Conant came up from Nantasket to bail them out, and took over both positions. In autumn 1626, after all attempts failed, the Dorchester Company "paid the men their wages and offered them passage home. This offer was accepted by the ill-behaved, thriftless and weak-minded portion of the colonists, which were a majority of the men." (History of Salem, Vol. 1, p. 80). So here is a possible scenario:

Thomas Gardner, with his wife and three children, Thomas, George and Richard, went in the spring of 1624 to Cape Ann, Thomas to be overseer of plantation. Thomas (Jr.) was misread on the passenger list to be Joseph. It soon became evident that this new endeavor was not going to go as well as hoped, and before the end of the summer, Margaret realized she was pregnant and thought it best to move her family back home. Her son John was born, and baptized Dec. 7, 1624. Meanwhile Thomas Sr. stayed on, (or not), and left in the autumn of 1626 along with the other "ill-behaved, thriftless and weak-minded" settlers, because his wages were paid and passage was free. Based on the positions he held when he finally did get to Salem, those descriptions certainly don't apply to him. But he could have just wanted to go home. He would have gotten home just in time to help conceive Samuel, who was baptized July 18, 1627. Then the Gardner's waited until Naumkeag had become Salem and become stabilized enough to raise a family before they returned, probably in early 1635. This may just make for a good story, but I think it is good enough to just say we don't know for sure that Thomas of the Dorchester Company was not the same as Thomas of Salem.

posted by Bob Dunlap
The passenger list of the Zouch Phoenix is not real and does not exist. It is entirely a guess by Banks made of people he knew (or thought) was in New England in 1624. Since we know Mrs. Gardner was continuously giving birth to children from 1618 to 1633 there is no way she was in Massachusetts in 1624. The 1624 Dorchester Company adventure was a commercial venture to fish the seas off of Massachusetts and send the fish back to England. It was entirely commercial, hard work and would not have included women and infants. George and Richard were very young children and Joseph wasn't even born, so we know Banks was wrong. The vast majority of the Dorchester Company returned home, and we don't necessarily know what happened to any of them. Only 5 remained behind to keep a foothold on the Dorchester claim, and they are all very well known - Thomas Gardner wasn't one of them. These men became known as the "Old Planters". A new patent was obtained by the Massachusetts Bay Company and new colonists led by Gov. John Endicott were sent over in 1628. They were greeted by the "Old Planters" of Salem, Roger Conant, John Balch, John Woodberry, William Trask and Peter Palfrey (no Thomas Gardner). Disagreements quickly arose between the Old Planters of Salem and the New Planters of Salem. These disagreements included land rights, religious differences, rights to grow tobacco, and value of the goods of the Old Planters. In 1635, to help keep the peace, the Old Planters (Roger Conant, John Balch, John Woodberry, William Trask and Peter Palfrey) were each granted 200 acres of land across the Bass River (again no Thomas Gardner).

You can make up a story of Thomas Gardner going back and forth between England and Massachusetts, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest this. That he kept having children regularly until 1633, shows that you can absolutely discount the possibility that Thomas Gardner of the Dorchester Company was the same person as Thomas Gardner of Salem - there is no chance they are the same person.

posted by Joe Cochoit
The house was still there (notice, 2016)

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2016/04/cape-ann-retrospective.html

It was in good shape when Endicott had it brought over to Salem. Too, the Cape Ann area would have had plantings that were successful, plus game, and the basic needs of life.

posted by John M. Switlik
Great research. I have not looked at this page for a bit. Got here as I was researching Gloucester and Conant. Seeth Gardner was mentioned, followed that to WikiTree and then Thomas' page. Things looked other than the earlier mess. Saw the G2G.

Let's hear it for technology, when it works.

Okay, kudos for digging in. It has been nine years since we first saw information about the marriage. The first of the sons were in the digitized information, too.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/09/thomas-and-margaret.html

Two Thomases? That was something that kept popping up.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2019/06/two-thomas-gardners-in-salem.html

One of the pending items was resolving where Thomas was after the Cape Ann move. He was not on the original list going over to Naumkeag. Nor was he with the VA-going crowd. The authors of the "Paine ancestry" book thought that he might have gone back to England.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2012/01/where-was-thomas.html

Was there not a Thomas Gardner death around 1635 or so?

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
It has been a couple of years since M Cole posted a question as to checking out the Sherborne Parish Registers. I just finished going through them from 1575 to 1637. There are baptism records there (all available on ancestry.com, Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812.) The records don't all appear on the index, so you have to browse the images, but the baptisms of ALL of Thomas and Margaret's children, as shown on Thomas Gardner's will and in Anderson's Great Migration Begins, are shown in Sherborne, except of course Seeth, and also I couldn't find Joseph, perhaps because a lot of the lines are pretty illegible. But the last one recorded in Sherborne was Miriam, March 24, 1632/33. It appears to me that Thomas and his family did not go to America until close to the time he appears in the Salem records as a selectman in 1635 (per Great Migration Begins). This indicates to me that it was a different Thomas Gardner who was part of the Dorchester Company, and history needs to be slightly tweaked. Has this already been addressed?
posted by Bob Dunlap
This might be a great question to post to G2G, which will result in more people seeing it.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
Hi Bob,

Thank you.

Might it be that his wife remained in England for some period, and that he traveled back and forth?

I too think a G2G on this is a good idea. How can I help? --Gene

Edited to add. Opps, I see that you have already added the G2G, TYTY. See Comments on Thomas Gardner of Salem 1591-1674.

Also, have added a research note relative to Bob's great effort.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Gene, I suppose traveling back and forth is a possibility, and it isn't easy to put yourself back 400 years and try to imagine a scenario like that. I think it's easier to image how the years worth of assumptions that Thomas of the Dorchester Company and this Thomas were the same person were all wrong. I have seen nothing to indicate that Thomas of the Dorchester company brought any family or had any family, or where he came from, other than somewhere around Dorchester. And Dorchester is only about 20 miles from Sherborne. So I would say it's possible but highly unlikely.
posted by Bob Dunlap
There is/was a site about Rev. John White's family. One of his sisters married a Thomas Gardner. And, there was a reference, at one time, that he came over. And went back.

(found it in one of my posts) : Her husband Thomas Gardner was one of two Overseers of her fathers will and clearly close to and trusted by the family. In 1623/4 as a successful yeoman farmer he was employed by the Dorchester Co to oversee the establishment of their first settlement at Cape Ann in New England. After about a year Roger White arranged for governship of the settlement to be handed over to Roger Conant and Thomas Gardner returned to England.

http://www.opcdorset.org/fordingtondorset/Files/DorchesterRevJohnWhite1575-1648.html

There have been lots of stories over the many years. I was trying to collect these. But, as the web matures, pages disappear. I'm too lazy (and old) to do wayback. But, the blog has reference to some of these items.

Rev. Hubbard's manuscript was the first to mention Thomas Gardner (along with Tylly - who was just featured in an article in NEHGR). Felt had some information. People would have been traveling there post the cool-down after the 1812 turmoil and would have brought back tidbits.

Interesting stories, to say the least.

Oh yes, the Peirce family had some things to share as well.

Where besides ancestry can one find these images?

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
I have seen where John White's sister (Elizabeth I think) married a Thomas Gardner, and I would think given the circumstances, family and all, that Thomas Gardner would have been the likely one to join the Dorchester Company. And it would make sense that he discovered (as did John) that he (and a few others) wasn't really suited for the task at hand, hence the enlistment of Roger Conant to bail them out, and the offer of free return passage, which this Thomas took advantage of. So then the only puzzling thing is there was a Thomas Gardner who was among the original members of the First Church of Salem. On August 6, 1629, the name Thomas Gardner appears fifteenth on the list of thirty original members. (The Records of the First Church in Salem, Massachusetts, 1639-1726, p. 5).

So who was he?

posted by Bob Dunlap
I think I answered my own question. The records of the First Church, of which there is a note in the margin that there were 30 original members, starts with a list of 30 members. It is easy to assume that these were the 30 original members, but further reading suggests that is likely not the case. Page xxiv of the introduction to the record book says there is a "catalog of member admitted until near the end of 1636, then a list of admitted members to 1659". There are a total of 81 persons on the "catalog" portion of the membership, and then starts the "list" portion, where members are identified with a month and year of admission. If the 30 members on the first page, of whom Thomas Gardner is #15, was not intended to designate the 30 original members, then Thomas could have become a member at any point up until the dating started, which looks like it was January 1636/37.

https://archive.org/details/recordsoffirstch00firs_0/page/n27/mode/2up

posted by Bob Dunlap
Nice find. It's a wonder that it survived. Rev. Hubbard's manuscript that mentioned Gardner and Tylly went through the burning of Hutchinson's house during the rise of the rebels.

We need to look at social issues, too. Two of Thomas' daughters married sons of the Old Planters.

Time to look at the FAQ, again, and get it up to date.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/p/faq.html

posted by John M. Switlik
1st Governor.

'Tis this lady who, according to her granddaughter, got the discussion going (which Frank would have heard).

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-10970 Elizabeth (Gardner) Amory (1843 - 1930)

...

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html

...

But, Rev. John White beat her to the punch by assigning the title to someone who never came here.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2022/03/whos-on-first.html

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Erle-16

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Erle

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
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posted by Robert Gardner
deleted by Robert Gardner
Robert, it's great that you are interested in improving the format and accuracy of this profile.

To answer your question about project protection, the only thing that does is prevent family members from being added or deleted (spouses, children, parents). That is usually done only when needed because there has been a history of people making unsupported changes based on no sources or weak sources. If you look at the "Changes" tab you can see a history of duplicate merge submissions that were cancelled, unsourced parents that were removed etc. This is probably why Thomas was "project protected".

Other than that, everyone on WikiTree who is pre-1700 certified can edit and improve the format, add sources, and improve other data fields. Of course, all this with proper sourcing per the pre-1700 guidelines. Thomas' profile could certainly use some improving; links could be provided to sources etc. His data section and biography narrative have fallen out of sync which does happen with a lot of cooks in the kitchen.

The PGM project curates well over 7,000 profiles with about 70 volunteer team members, only a few of those have the spare time to be regularly involved on a daily basis. I can't speak for non-PGM profile managers of course. The point is, there is always more work to be done than hands available and most of us spend a lot of time working on profiles who we are not related to just because we are trying to improve the shared tree. As you pointed out, it takes time to hand-craft a unique, well-written profile.

So with that said, any improvements you can make to Thomas Gardner in the spirit of WikiTree collaboration would be great. You are clearly already familar with this man and his family.

Regarding the text in the bio about his marriages, while different wording could be used and I don't want to argue writing style with you, it is accurate to say that he married multiple women even if not all primary records are found. As you noted, it is proven that he married Damaris, and some things are known about her. It is proven that he married previously and the TAG:30 article (https://americanancestors.org/DB283/i/11829/156/0) and Thomas Gardner society link include some information about this, so we do need to include that information somewhere under a "Marriage" topic. It's a challenge to balance a timeline-based narrative with one that makes it quick and easy for a viewer to answer the questions "who were his wives" and "who were his children" and to pull out key data when looking for duplicates or trying to see if family members are correct.

Thanks again for your interest in this profile and I look forward to seeing your contriubtions.

posted by Brad Stauf
Hi Robert and Brad,

Unless there are objections, I'll work this morning to add some of Anderson's source of the source to some of the genealogically significant items in the profile.

I doubt this will resolve all the concerns Robert raised, but will give it a go. --Gene

Edited to add: I have completed this brief work, though more verbatim passages may still exist, particularly in the child list.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Hi Robert,

I have updated much of the biography to incorporate Anderson's sources in the references notes attributed to him. In some cases, I pulled those references and included links to the records as a separate citation.

It would be wonderful if folks could pull all of those "source of the source" references and include them as inline citations. WikiTree has a listing that covers most of the sources Anderson cites. See "Sources used in the Great Migration series".

--Gene

posted by GeneJ X
I missed the notice related to this Comment in the huge feed that runs by like a raging stream.

I am for getting Thomas' (and kin's) Profile in a mode that represents the guy and his times (and what these means to us now.)

This G2G still applies. How do we accomplish this?

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1129086/coordinating-coming-edits-thomas-gardner-gardner-159-page

Too, can we do it right this time?

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
I removed the recent edit adding the claim that Thomas Gardner was the de facto first Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony pending further discussion and consensus. No source was cited for the edit, but in the comments to his GMB entry, Anderson notes that Thomas Gardner & John Tylly were briefly employed as overseers of the Cape Anne plantation in 1624, Tylly with respect to fishing & Gardner with respect to planting, for the first year of that settlement. Anderson cites Young's First Planters 23 for this point, relevant page here. Young does not add much more than what Anderson says. According to GMB, Thomas Gardner was only at Cape Anne for two years, after which he resettled in Salem and became an innkeeper. My view is that this is not enough to describe him as the de facto first Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. If there are other sources which support the claim, we should discuss them. Either way, if we include this claim in the profile, I think it should go in the body of the Biography and not as a separate "Overview" section. Given the history of conflation, etc., with this profile, I think it is important to keep that Notice prominently at the top of the profile.

Here was the removed edit for reference:

Thomas Gardner's role included serving as an Overseer of the "old planters" party of the Dorchester Company. The Company landed in 1624 at Cape Ann. They formed a colony in the area of what is now Gloucester, Massachusetts. While he did not have an appointment as an official governor, his roles constituted the roles that a governor of a colony would have performed. As such, Gardner is considered by some to have been the first de facto Governor of Massachusetts. (As Gardner had authority over the first settlement that became the Massachusetts Bay Colony and which later also subsumed the Plymouth Colony)

posted by Scott McClain
I agree, Scott. I have found other cases as well where Wikipedia has a profile on someone that whose "notable" origins are weak in terms of sources that PGM would consider as reliable.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
It's been pointed out in response to my original comment that the official WikiTree standard for applying a notables sticker provides that "Having a Wikipedia entry automatically qualifies somebody as being Notable," and Thomas Gardener does (see Thomas Gardner (planter), so based on that a Notables sticker is appropriate. That guidance is here.

To be clear, I don't object to adding that sticker nor do I object to adding an explanation in his bio of why his role in the early settlement of Massachusetts is considered to be significant. It looks to me like that Wikipedia article is relying primarily on Frank Gardner, Thomas Gardner Planter and Some of his Descendants (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1907) (Internet Archive, https://archive.org/details/thomasgardnerpl00gardgoog) as the source for this point, so we could add that as a source to the profile.

Having said that, I still think that characterizing him as the de facto first governor of Massachusetts is a stretch. I would suggest a more balanced presentation of these facts about him in the WikiTree profile.

posted by Scott McClain
edited by Scott McClain
The Notables Project page also states that they use Wikipedia standards for being notable. Frankly, Thomas Gardner does not meet Wikipedia standards and really should not have a Wikipedia page. If we were to include him we would have to add a couple thousand other profiles of men who served as selectmen of their towns and actively participated in the affairs of their town. To me, his career is very typical of many early Great Migration immigrants.

I will admit that I do have a pet peeve against the overuse of stickers. I feel they serve very little purpose and tend to just clutter up a profile.

posted by Joe Cochoit
Thank you, Joe.

But, the whole of the Dorset and Dorchester deal requires a little more attention due to the timing, the people involved, such as the investors, and how we can learn from that experience things that apply down to the present day.

Wikipedia? I started that page when I first got into this stuff (having been involved with computational mathematics and such). Immediately, I saw the truth engineering connections.

Then, I learned of NOR and the other rules. I'm a jump in and compute guy, though I started back in the days of cards and their punching (and chards ;>).

On the other hand, I have been slowly making the Wikipedia page agree with the rules. Notice, Anderson is now quoted.

BTW, everyone, I see that Dr. Frank was thrown out of the NEHGS (if I read the record right, or he just didn't pay - whatever); Anderson didn't quote the MD - so, we have lots of things to look at there.

In the meantime, independent research ought to be allowed, even encouraged.

---

Everyone - here is the original that influenced Dr. Frank (I would bet) --- See 1st Governor.

Quote: Elizabeth Gardner Amory. Elizabeth's granddaughter, Dorothy Winthrop Bradford, writes about discussions with her. The image is from the book, Reared in a Greenhouse (preview mode at Google books) by Dorothy B. Wexler.  :etouQ

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html

posted by John M. Switlik
I suggest that information be added to the profile regarding the importance of Thomas Gardner and that a notables sticker -
Notables Project
Thomas Gardner is Notable.
- be added to the profile since he is already managed by a project.

Here is language from his Wikipedia page that could be modified:

Thomas Gardner was an Overseer of the "old planters" party of the Dorchester Company who landed in 1624 at Cape Ann to form a colony at what is now known as Gloucester. Gardner is considered by some to have been the first Governor of Massachusetts, due to his being in authority in the first settlement that became the Massachusetts Bay Colony (into which was later subsumed the Plymouth Colony).

posted by Russell Butler
Is there a reliable source on Wikipedia for him being Governor? I didn't see it mentioned by Anderson, but perhaps I missed it.
posted by S (Hill) Willson
My reading is not that he was an official governor, but that he performed a governor like role.
posted by Russell Butler
I say that he was 'proxy' governor as Rev John White appointed a governor who never came over. Someone has to have his/her feet on the ground; that ain't gonna change with computers and wannabe smart things. Lots to discuss on this.

Quote: This year, there was mention of the 'real' first governor, as in being appointed over there. The commenter (David Cuckson had written a book on the subject). He mentioned Sir Walter Erle (Wikipedia, WikiTree) as having the role as appointed by Rev. John White, himself, about whom we have had several posts, since one sister married a Thomas Gardner and another married into a family that came over here.  :etouQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Erle

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Erle-16

Appointed by https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2021/02/dorchester-company-further.html

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
Wikipedia, like WikiTree, has a superb stack related to changes through time. I wrote that.

But, I did run down an early source. Notice, this was in 2014.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2014/07/1st-governor.html

Here is some recent information.

https://thomasgardnerofsalem.blogspot.com/2022/03/whos-on-first.html

Now, with regard to Dorchester Company and Rev. John White (kin to my in-laws - my people are all post the Civil War - American, that is --- makes me independent --- no axes to grind, except for truth which has to be engineering --- and, I might add, WikiTree is a type of tool for that) and Thomas Gardner (there were two, according to the lady who did the search Frances T) and others, there is a whole lot of significance.

Now, we can change the Profile, however let's do it right.

posted by John M. Switlik
FindAGrave lists a specific birth date has a specific baptism date of 30 Oct 1592 with an image of the parish register. Does someone want to take a look?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/24962425/thomas-gardner

posted by M Cole
Thank you for the notice about the edits at FindAGrave. This brings up the opportunity to point to what's being done with Thomas' Profile. We have been discussing these changes since 2014 when the records were first noticed to have been digitized. Also, someone changed 1591 to 1592 for October. The following two months still have 1591.

With regard to coordinating edits, there is a project on-going. See https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1144201/edit-notes-specific-to-updates-for-profile-of-thomas-gardner.

With regard to general issues, see this G2G. I moved the comment about the burial site's disposition over there. https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1129086/coordinating-coming-edits-the-thomas-gardner-gardner-page

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
Great to see so much collaboration going on....I glanced through the notes and didn't see anything related to this parish register. My assumption is that the conclusion is at this time there's not enough information to confirm the record as the right one for this Thomas Gardner.
posted by M Cole
The images are under Margaret's Profile. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fryer-892 Why? Because Thomas' is such a mess. We are working to clean it up.

There were 'Edit notes' which referenced these images: https://thomasgardnersociety.org/html/Research/Sherborne.html#images These notes are now at this G2G: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1144201/edit-notes-specific-to-updates-for-profile-of-thomas-gardner.

The approach was going to be to clean it up (remove most of these images) and then use Anderson's book as the basis with changes/notes based upon later research.

So, is this our Thomas and Margaret? Needs careful consideration. One person mentioned doing something for the NEHGR. Want to help with that?

Note: Edit notes on this Profile point to Margaret's Profile or Gardner Research wrt to images from Sherborne records.

posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
For specific first steps suggested for updating this profile, interested parties please see this g2g post as well as the one that Cheryl posted below: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1144201/edit-notes-specific-to-updates-for-profile-of-thomas-gardner
posted by S (Hill) Willson
profile managers and others interested in this profile, please see g2g for particulars on this profile and to volunteer to improve it.

Follow this link: [1]

Cheryl PGM Leader

Adding Puritan Great Migration to son George
posted by Chris Hoyt
Thank you, [edit: corrected name :-] Chris: project account added to son George
posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
edited by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
Pending change. I would like to see us remove those images from Frank's book. There are good copies on-line (Google docs, archive.org, and Hathi Trust) which can be referenced here. Now, if the NEHGS would be so kind as to allow us to point to Anderson's book (... wish list ...).

Would not removing those images improve the look of the Profile? Also, if this is not an appropriate place for such a comment, please let me know.

posted by John M. Switlik
John, I'll add my 2 cents. I agree that when you can link to an off-site image like archive.org etc, there is no need to put up a local image and that's the way I do it on my family tree. The ones like parish registers that are not available to be linked is what I think are worthwhile. Respecting the need to attribute, obey copyright usage etc (which, yes, I've been scolded for previously).
posted by Brad Stauf
I was thinking the same thing. I support such a change.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I added the source for the 1591 Sherborne marriage of Walter Frier and Grace Mullins...and then realized that somebody did all this work on Margaret's profile, an image of the marriage is already there as well as an image of the marriage of this Thomas and Margaret. Oh well, it can't hurt to have the links here I suppose. I'll add a link to that latter marriage image on this profile as well.
posted by Brad Stauf
edited by Brad Stauf
Regarding the edit notes: could whoever added them please add a date so we know when they were added? Thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I have Thomas, St as my 9th great-grandfather. Luckily for me this came with new information when I merged John Macy and Deborah Gardner [daughter of Richard Gardner] with another member's information. I will read everything thoroughly. All dates don't match what I have from my research but I rather think I should trust what you have because a lot of mine came from ancestry.co.uk... I never take some of their information at their say-so anyway. Only if I can see the original church parish records, etc will I use it. Thank you for what looks like a very thorough job! Much better than mine, I assure you!
Thomas is the 11th great grandfather of Janine
Thanks, John. Feel free to edit the profile directly.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Jillaine Smith. Yes. I will start a G2G related to the effort. Appreciate the opportunity to summarize what we (might) know as plenty of researchers have touched upon the subject.

For me, the work will be dedicated to first cousin Frank (MD and author) who got this started.

Caveat: My focus is advanced computational support for modern processes which include research. I am using an embed, improve method which can be effective. Actually, the 'wiki' approach was one of the chief attributes that made WikiTree so appealing to me. I will push this up my priority queue for the next few weeks.

posted by John M. Switlik
John Switlik, you seem closest to the most research done on this family. Would you be willing to update this profile based on that research? It includes changing the parents currently linked.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Are we confident in the birthplace we are currently publishing?
posted by NN Taylor
John, I have been reviewing the evidence given and I think the evidence is very good to establish the English origins of Thomas Gardner. The correct name of his wife Margaret, and the correct names of his sons baptized in the correct order is conclusive. Frankly, this should be published in the NEHGR.

This also says that Anderson's theory that there was an unknown first wife is incorrect I am frankly surprised at Anderson's supposition based on differing dates of admittance to the church - this was in fact extremely common.

posted by Joe Cochoit
Update. See Perley's walkabout and related posts (29 December 1674, A new twist) as we are a few days past the 344th of Thomas' death.
posted by John M. Switlik
Not buried in Harmony Grove Cemetery.

New view, lots of new research opportunities: The remains of Thomas? We do not know.

His stone was moved to Harmony Grove. Grandson Abel, son of son Samuel (ancestor), and his wife were of those whose stones were moved, as well.

It is unclear how many gravestone were moved, whose bodies may have been re-interned, or just how many graves were left to be scraped by the road work or to be covered over by the progress of building. More research is to be done. Dr. Frank talked to George Augustus Gardner about, and read the, notes that George had that had been written by Samuel Pickering Gardner (see Gardner Memorial - page 17).

posted by John M. Switlik
Frank A. Gardner, M.D., author of the Gardner books, editor of The Massachusetts Magazine, and more.

We have both his paternal and maternal tree filled in (profile focus) and are working on editing for format (sources, et al) plus completeness.

His maternal tree was accomplished by using his personal notes (ca 1907).

posted by John M. Switlik
Sherborne, Dorset study: post and details (including images from digitized records).

Original note that precipitated discussion about the records (which I just verified that I have, on our server).

posted by John M. Switlik
I just started a Profile for first cousin, Dr. Frank.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-11627

Right now, I point to his Gardner tree via an ahnentafel (sourced) on the profile. I have his handwritten lineage for his mother which I will be adding in the next week.

posted by John M. Switlik

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