Johannes Geist (1801 - 1856)

Born 26 Aug 1801 in Walter, Saratov, Volga, Russia

Ancestors

Husband of Katharina (Dietz) Geist — married about 1821 in Walter, Saratov, Russia

Descendants

Died 26 Sep 1856 at age 55 in Walter, Saratov, Volga, Russia

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Biography

Johannes Geist was a Volga German.

Johannes Geist was born 26 August 1801 in Walter, Volga, Russia.

1811 census records list he was step-son to Johann Adam Weber, who was married to Elisabeta Gies before 1789 and they had four children (1789-1806) before her death in 1811. Johann Adam Weber remarried to Catharina Heidt Geist. Catharina was first married to Johann Heinrich Geist (at least one child born 1796 before Johann Heinrich's death in 1805). Adam and Catharina had Jacob Weber born in 1815. Johann Adam Weber died in 1825 and Catharina Heidt Geist Weber died sometime before 1834.

After both of his stepparents died, Johannes was adopted by Johannes Giesick. He was listed in 1834 census records as the adopted son of Johannes Giesick (b. abt. 1782 in Walter) from Household #188.

Johannes married Katharina Dietz before 1821 and they had seven sons.

Johannes died 26 September 1856 in Walter, Volga, Russia. He was buried on 29 Sep 1856 in Walter. His birth date is based off of his death date recorded in Walter church records.

Census

1811 Walter Census^[1]

Adam Weber (Вебер), h, 30 / 43

Johannes, s, 7 / 20

Heinrich, s, 4 / 17

Erasmus, s, 6

Adam, s, 5

Johannes Geist (Гейст), ss, 10

Family #14 in the 1834 census.^[2]

1834 Walter Census

No. 14

1. 105 Geist, Johannes, head of the household, age 32 [from Household #188]
2. 106 Katharina, spouse, age 32
3. 107 Jakob, son, age 13
4. 108 Konrad, son, age 10
5. 109 Nikolaus, son, age 7
6. 110 Johannes, son, age 2

1850 Walter Census^[3]

Household#14

Johannes Geist, h, 32 / 48

Catharina nee Dietz, Johannes' wife, 48

Jacob, s, 13 / 29

Magdalena nee Wagner, Jacob's wife, 29

Catharina Elisabeth, gd, Jacob's daughter, 8

Magdalena, gd, Jacob's daugther, 5

Georg, gs, Jacob's son, 2

Catharina Elisabeth, gd, Jacob's daughter, ¼

Conrad, s, 10 / 26

Dorothea nee Gies, Conrad's wife, 24

Louisa, gd, Conrad's daughter, 4

Nicolaus, gs, Conrad's son, 2

Nicolaus, s, 7 / 23

Catharina Elisabetha nee Morlang, Nicolaus's wife, 20

Conrad, gs, Nicolaus' son, 1

Johannes, s, 2 / 18

Heinrich, s, 15

Catharina Elisabeth, d, 13

Christian, s, 10

Jacob, s, 8

Family #15 in the 1857 census.

1857 Walter Census^[4]

No. 15

1. 192 Geist, Johannes, head of the household, age 48 in 1850, +died 1856
2. 193 Katharina, spouse, age 55
3. 194 Heinrich Jakob, son, age 29 in 1850 [to Household#16]
4. 195 Konrad, son, age 26 in 1850 [to Household#16]
5. 196 Nikolaus, son, age 30
6. 197 Katharina Elisabeth, daughter-in-law, age 27
7. 198 Konrad, grandson, age 2 1850, +died 1851
8. 199 Georg, grandson, age 6
9. 200 Gottfried, grandson, age 3
10. 201 Maria, granddaughter, age 1-1/2
11. 202 Jakob, grandson, age 6 weeks
12. 203 Johannes, son, age 25
13. 204 Margaretha, daughter-in-law, age 24
14. 205 Johannes, grandson, age 3
15. 206 Heinrich, grandson, age 1
16. 207 Heinrich Jakob, grandson, age 12
17. 208 Heinrich, son, age 22
18. 209 Katharina, daughter-in-law, age 22
19. 210 Christian, son, age 17
20. 211 Jakob, son, age 15

Research Notes

Note by: Koreen Goodman

• Possible fathers: Karl Martin Geist or Johann Georg Geist or Johann Heinrich Geist.

• CEN: 1811 Walter Census, number 64, Johannes age 10 in 1811, the stepson of Adam Weber. More information needed on this as his mother could then be Elisabeta Gies Weber.

Printz-168 01:45, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Walter Researchers theory Fyler/Vil: N: We know that Johann Adam Weber's wife died before 1811. We know that Johann Heinrich Geist died in 1805 and would have left a widow with children. What if Johann Heinrich Geist's widow married Johann Adam Weber after his wife died? And Johannes Geist was his son? Then this whole mess would make total sense! M: I think you are on to something here. Johann Heinrich Geist b. 1773 son of Johann Georg Gottlieb Geist Married Katharina Hiede/Heidt/Heit/Von Der Heit/Heide (pg,8 Reconstructed First Settlers List for Hussenbach) b. 1777 daughter of Peter Hiede and Maria Catharina nee unknown. Johann Heinrich Geist dies in 1805 Katharina Hiede then marries Johann Adam Weber sometime after his first wife dies sometime after 1806 and before 1811. Johannes Geist was born in 1801 and shows up in the 1811 census. Johann Adam Weber last son with Elisabeth Gies was born in 1806. If Johann Adam Weber then married Katharina Hiede before 1811 it would make sense that Johannes Geist shows up in household 64 in the 1811 census. Johann Adam had a son Johann Jacob Weber born 11 Dec 1814 (source Weber-Pleve chart) he would be the son of Katharina Heide. Weber-Pleve chart shows the 2nd wife of Johann Adam Weber as "?". No church records to prove our theory. If we had the 1816 Walter census the second wife's name and possibly maiden name might prove our theory. Printz-168 19:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

• DNA matches keep pointing to Bretthauer/Anna Maria Kit b. 1773 or Christoph Bretthauer and Carl Martin Geist. Carl Martin had an Unknown wife Geist.

Printz-168 01:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

• After looking at more DNA matches a hypothesis: his father was Carl Martin Geist and mother was Anna Maria "Margaretha" Bretthauer, daughter of Kilian Bretthauer.
  • Anna Maria Geist Linker's descendants are DNA matches that point to Carl Martin Geist and first wife. Her half-sibling Johannes Geist born to Mueller does not have DNA matches to me.
  • None of this matches to what the stepfather Johann Adam Weber/wife Gies records state.

Sources

1. ↑ Natalie Vil:1811 Walter Census, 6th revision, dated August 1811 (males only). AHSGR, St. Petersburg Achieves - Fond 383, Opis 29, Delo 1060. Translated by Dr. Mila Koretnikov, edited by Kevin D Rupp. 2021. Household Wt64, pgs. 408-409, lines 11067-11072 (370-375)
2. ↑ 1834 Census of Walter in the District of Saratov, Russia, Dated 10 November 1834; Translated by Dr. Brent Mai, Fairfield University, Fairfield CT; Dynasty Publishing, Fairfield, CT; Published 2016; page 6, family #14, lines 105-110, Johannes Geist.
3. ↑ Natalie Vil:1850 Walter Census, 9th revision. ОГУ ГАСО, Ф. 28, Оп. 1, (том 1), Д. 1750, л.л. 459об-464 Household 14
4. ↑ 1857 Census of Walter in the District of Saratov, Russia, Dated 17 Dec 1857; Translated by Dr. Brent Mai, Fairfield University, Fairfield CT; Dynasty Publishing, Fairfield, CT; Published 2015; page 8, family #15, lines 192-211, Johannes Geist.

• Bolton, Mary Jane; Fyler, Michael. AHSGR Walter VCs; www.ahsgr.org; Confirmation of father and mother to Christian Geist; email communication to Koreen Goodman and Larry Repp 22 Apr 2019.

• AHSGR Modified Register for Unknown Geist, 30 May 2019, prepared by Michael Fyler, AHSGR Walter Village Coordinator emailed to Koreen Goodman and Larry Repp 30 May 2019. Appendix A - Notes, Line 2. "BIR: birth date based on age at time of death. ICEN: 1811 Walter Census, number 64, Johannes age 10 in 1811, the stepson of Adam Weber. CEN: 1834 Walter Census, Line 105, Household 14, Johannes age 32 in 1834, from Household 188. CEN: 1857 Walter Census, Line 192, Household 15, Johannes age 48 in 1850, died in 1856; #1. translated by Mary Mills, Walter Deaths and Burials Church Records 1849-1870, Volgograd Archives."