Lee G
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The largest complaint I receive from those trying to access this site about profiles from Mexico is that they can't find them. Many are using the original spellings and are not necessarily familiar with whatever has been decided to be the common spelling which may vary depending upon the person making a profile. So original spellings are included from the record so that newer persons who may not know more common spellings may find the record. And a simpler format for those not fluent in Spanish. Project Mexico please make it so that others may have a better experience at wikitree and find their records and stop telling others how difficult it is to find anything. Thank you!

Flashing save draft makes it difficult to further develop the profiles with categorization, formatting, etc. The owners of the site have been made aware of the problem and said they would address it, but many months later nothing has been done.

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Thank you for all you are doing on these profiles. WikiTree aspires to be a global site, but it is hard for many Americans to realize that their way of doing this is not universal!
posted by Jack Day
Thank you Jack! Very much appreciated. We hope that many will find their Silao/Romita and surrounding areas, Guanajuato, Mexico ancestry.
posted by Lee G
Do you have any suggestions to give to Brad foley about categorization of mexican profiles https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1494858/finalized-mexico-location-historical-location-categories

Given how much work you've done for Guanajuato, i think you could give him suggestions on a standard way to list pre-1823 locations in silao, Romita etc.

posted by Katy Brecht
Hi! While I think how you're doing it is useful & makes sense as you're doing them - e.g., Nueva España (Guanajuato, México) for Unknown-409861. However, WikiTree guidelines say that parentheses are not to be used in those datafields & doing so will trigger a DBE, such as DBE 613. So probably just Nueva España in the datafield with the addition of Guanajuato, México in the text. See https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1281762/past-location-name-including-current-brackets-parenthesis for a discussion.

Cheers, Liz

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thank you Liz!

I appreciate your taking the time to explain and to provide a link to discussion and to DEB 613.

I used to use Nueva Espana and told that was wrong.

More datadoctor confusion.

I think it will be much easier to skip the field altogether rather than get any feedback which only slows my already slow internet connection.

Is there anything that says that field needs to be filled out?

Thank you.

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G
Oh dear! I am so sorry! I think it would be better to continue doing as you have been doing rather than leaving the fields blank. I don't normally work in New Spain (a touch of Louisiana at one point, but not Mexico). I noticed the entries while I was on Ranger Duty - normally I wouldn't have said anything but you were doing such good work, I didn't want you to be hit with a lot of DBE suggestions, so I did.

Anyway. Would it work to say Guanajuato, México, Nueva España ... or is that a non-existant place? Did the town exist? (e.g., would "Guanajuato, Nueva España" work?)

Did the person say why Nueva España was incorrect? From what I can tell, it was appropriate for quite a long time - from Category: Mexico/Category: México:

1521-1821 Part of the Kingdom of Spain referred to by historians as New Spain (Nueva España) and governed by the Nueva España (in english) Viceroyalty of New Spain

The coding behind the text link "New Spain (Nueva España)" is to Category: Nueva España. Perhaps the previous comment was meant to refer to the category? But that doesn't track either - the category has people profiles in it & is not identified as a top-level category (which should not have people profiles in it). But whether or not Nueva España is a top-level category shouldn't preclude using it alone in a place datafield. For example, Category: Virginia is a top-level category & profiles should be categorized to a more specific location, but we have lots and lots of profiles with Virginia, not a more specific location - although just "Virginia" might trigger a DBE, since both Virginia Project & US Southern Colonies Project have preferred locations (e.g., Colony of Virginia).

Checking Space:DBE_618 to see if there was a project listed that would cover Nueva España, I found this:

Location endings identified as invalid are defined in this table. Look for number 618 in "Accepted spelling" column.

Eureka! Nueva España & New Spain are listed in the table as accepted but Nueva Espana is DBE 617 (spelling) ... so, it must have been the missing accent that was being called wrong. (Yup. Search for 617 on this link... or search Ramirez-2424 ... it has Nueva Espana & shows as a DBE. Not^e^ (meant to say "Note", not "Not")... Note the entry just below it, for Sáenz-357 ... I think that one probably needs to be marked as false, and the others - hmm. There's a lot of them. Is áe correct? If so, I think that Aleš should be made aware of it, so he can exempt it - if it's correct & you'd like me to contact Aleš, let me know; otherwise, I think you can post to G2G tagged Ales & he'll see it.)

Sorry to be so long-winded. Hope all that helps.

Cheers, Liz

edit - fixed a typo

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thank you Liz for taking the time to provide information.

If I had a better connection I would provide more input and also go to the forum. For now, in future new posts, parenthesis will be taken out but all will remain as just writing Nueva Espana doesn't help identify where the person is from. Nueva Espana is huge and will most like result in many, many duplicate profiles because so many have the same names and no way to tell where without opening every post and hope that the poster bothered to write location in the bio. Guanajuato and other states did not exist at that time yet needed to help identify location.

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G
be sure to use the tilde... España

Thanks for continuing to provide detailed information!

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Hi Lee,

You will notice some category name changes, since the states are named [Category:State, Mexico]] for English or with the diacritical for Spanish. The towns/villages/cites are named with [Category:Place, State]] without the country. I know there are tons of inconsistencies, but they are slowly being addressed and updated.Thanks, Natalie, Categorization Project

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Natalie (Durbin) Trott
Thank you for your post Natalie, but I am at a total loss as to why I am receiving it. Just a for your information post or as a result of specific categories I recently posted? Towns have always been posted with Place, State. More recently I have been making posts to Categories Indigenous Peoples of Mexico and more specifically Otomi and Tarasco which are extremely helpful to those doing DNA testing. Is there some issue there that I am not aware of? I would go do a search but that usually results in taking a great deal of time with little results and my internet is too slow, I live in a rural area. Any info you may shed on any of this would be very much appreciated. Gracias.
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G
Thank you very much for the edit bott corrections on Irapuato categorization.
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G
Thanks for all you do with Spanish language profiles! They contribute not only to the specific profile, but to WikiTree's growing reach as a global project!
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Jack Day
Thank you Jack. Most appreciated.
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G
Hello Lee,

The image of the map of Nueva Galica is used for our Mexico subproject. Occasionally a data doctor volunteer will incorrectly move the image into the Bio section. Saludos Austin

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Austin Pérez
Lee, making more than one thousand contributions in September added so much to the breadth and depth of our Shared Tree. The Appreciation Team thanks YOU!

Pippin Sheppard

WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Pip Sheppard
Hello, Lee.

I've been able to find a few books that show my Pennsylvania German ancestry, but (so far) they've stopped short of sourcing the relationship between my paternal 7th and 8th grandfathers.

Interesting that you mention Alsace. My paternal grandmother told me that her paternal line was Alsatian. At times, she would assert that they were "German Huguenots."

Also, I find it curious that my ggf Duran is the only Filipino Duran (so far) on WikiTree. I understand that four Duran brothers immigrated to the Philippines from Spain during the late 1700s.

Thanks for your encouragement! I'll research Pennsylvania German books from major genealogy libraries, and look into rootsweb.

T.C.

posted on G.-726 (merged) by TC Duran
Hi Lee,

Thanks for nudging me to take another look. I actually use the New Mexico database a lot, but somehow missed on Juan Antonio Duran.

After looking carefully again, thanks to you, I found more information to add to the Durans. And I will followup on familysearch, as well.

Gracias,

John

posted on G.-726 (merged) by John Cruz
Lee, thank you for each of your more than 1000 contributions to our Shared Tree for the month of August 2019. All of your work makes our Tree all that much better.

Pippin Sheppard

WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Pip Sheppard
Check my DNA kits, Lee and see how they compare
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Eric Ojeda
This information is all amazing ! Thank you for reaching out .

I do have Duran family members . and my grandmother is from Guanajuato, México Exciting ! Thanks !

posted on G.-726 (merged) by Christina Garcia
Lee

Thank you for the changes to the Navarro family. I have been working in other projects and not gotten to this yet.

posted on G.-726 (merged) by George Fulton
Thank you Pip. A true labor of love and my gift to those with ancestors from Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico. Not much work has been done in this area. It is one of the few areas where the priests/clerics noted the Indigenous Native American tribe in the 1600's records, usually Othomites or Tarasco.
posted on G.-726 (merged) by Lee G

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