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Piers (Geneville) de Geneville (abt. 1255 - bef. 1292)

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Sir Piers "of Trim and Ludlow" de Geneville formerly Geneville aka de Vaucouleurs
Born about in Trim Castle, County Meath, Leinster, Irelandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married before 11 Oct 1283 (to Jun 1292) [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, Francemap
Profile last modified 24 Oct 2019 | Created 21 Oct 2010
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Biography

Second son and heir apparent (elder brother Geoffrey having died in 1283), he held the castle of Ludlow, Salop, the manor of Walterstone, and all the knights' fees which his father and mother had held in England, and jointly, with Joan his wife, the manors of Mansell Lacy and Wolferlow, co. Hereford, and Stanton Lacy, Salop. He predeceased his father by more than 20 years.

In 1285 he received from the king a grant of murage for his town of Ludlow for five years. In 1290 he had a similar grant for three years.

Marriage

ABT 1283 Ludow, SAL, England
Wife: Joan de LUSIGNAN
Child: Joan de GENEVILLE
Child: Beatrice De (Joinville) Geneville
Child: Maud De Geneville

Sources

  • Page 35-6: #43 Peter de Genevill alias de Genevile. "His daughters, Joan aged 6, Beatrice aged 5, and Maud aged one year, are his next heirs."
  • Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), Volume III, page 187-188.
  • Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Volume III, page 679.
  • GeneaJourney.com
  • Marlyn Lewis.
  • Extinct and Dormant Peerages, 1831
  • Magna Carta Barons and their Descendants, pgs. 159, 241, 269, 270, 292
  • Virginia Heraldica, pgs. 66, 69, 87, 88
  • Ancestral Papers #119, of the National Society of Runnymeade
  • Wurt's Magna Carta
  • The Carter Family


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On 23 Mar 2019 at 00:51 GMT Isaac Taylor wrote:

Shouldn't we call him Pierre, or perhaps Piers-- but not Peter?

Geneville-1 was french-french not anglo-norman. He was born (in Ireland) to Geoffroi de Joinville, seigneur de Vaucouleurs; himself son of Simon, seneschal of Champagne, two centuries after the conquest etc. So, not an Anglo-Norman.

The name "Peter" wasn't used in his native language during his lifetime. (And the Irish spelled it differently, but in his circle, they'd all be speaking French and their lawyers/priests writing in Latin, regardless.)

More family name data points: he chose to name his children Jeanne, Jehan, Gauthier, and Simon. His brother is Jehan. (His dad Geoffroi was also known as Jehan, apparently.) His wife was Jeanne de Lusignan. Those names are conspicuously NOT Joan, John, and Walter etc. While Simon could go either way, since it's honoring his French grandfather, that's pronounced "seemone" -- he should probably not be called Peter here.

Thoughts?

On 23 Mar 2019 at 00:32 GMT Isaac Taylor wrote:

Hi Katherine et al.

What's the source for the "Lord of Trimcaste" title used here; and what does that mean, given he was lord of Trim, and its castle, in Ireland?

A quick look on Google suggests only places (i.e. on the web) that "trimcaste" appears are ancestry sites related to this Piers. This page, his Geni page, and random Ancestry.com trees. Dubious?

Does Richardson or any other reputable, or primary source use Trimcaste, anywhere that we can point to?

This word doesn't appear in any of the linked sources provided, that I can find anyway.

'Our Royal and Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors' styles him:

"Sir Piers de Geneville, Baron Geneville, Seigneur de Vaucouleurs, Justiciar of Ireland (and lord of) Ludlow, Walterstone, Staunton-Lacy, Malmeshull, Wulverlowe & Ewyas-Lacy"

Piers is 21 degrees from Mags Gaulden, 22 degrees from Dennis Wilson and 9 degrees from Henry VIII of England on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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