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Andreas Getz (abt. 1742)

Andreas Getz aka Goetz
Born about in Germanymap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1769 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Husband of — married before 1775 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Husband of — married before 1798 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Profile last modified | Created 28 Jun 2016 | Last significant change: 6 Oct 2020
19:39: Julie (Miller) Mangano edited the Biography for Andreas Getz (abt.1742-). (Update bio, add 1798 census details) [Thank Julie for this]
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Biography

Volga German
Andreas Getz is a Volga German.
Andreas Getz has German Roots.


Family #90 in the 1775 Grimm census.
Family #44 in the 1798 Grimm census.


Andreas Getz was born in Germany about 1742. He was married three times:

  1. Dorothea Braun (widow), born 1737, married about 1769
  2. Eva Elisabeth Lochmann (widow), born 1734, married before 1775
  3. Elisabeth Schutz (probably a widow), born 1726, married before 1798

First wife Dorothea was the widow of Andreas Braun. She brought her two children with Andreas Braun into the marriage. Based on information found in the 1798 census, Dorothea was the mother of the mother of Georg Wilhelm Getz, born around 1770, and she died shortly after his birth. Andreas married Eva Elisabeth Lochmann after 1770, when his son Georg Wilhelm was born, but before 1775.


1775 Grimm Census [1]

Family # 90
Head of the Household Andreas Getz, age 33
Wife Elisabeth Getz, age 42, probably second wife
Child #1 Georg Wilhelm Getz, age 4 years 6 months
Child #2 Johannes Braum [sic], age 12 years 6 months, stepchild
Child #2 Jakob Lochmann, age 8, stepchild
Child #2 Maria Elisabeth Braum [sic], age 6 years 6 months, stepchild


Andreas and Eva Elisabeth divorced and he married to Elisabeth Schultz, a woman from Stephan. His ex-wife is correctly identified as Elisabeth Braun's step-mother in the 1798 census, but she was incorrectly given the surname Braun, rather than Getz, the surname of Elisabeth Braun's stepfather to whom Eva Elisabeth was married. While Andreas remarried, his ex-wife Eva Elisabeth had not. She is incorrectly identified as a widow in this record, which was probably intentional as that was preferable to being known as being divorced, which was rare at that time in the Volga German villages.

When his father Andreas and Eva Elisabeth Lochmann divorced, Georg Wilhelm stayed living with his biological father and his third wife, while Eva Elisabeth Lochmann Getz lived with step-daughter Maria Elisabeth Braun Krug.


1798 Grimm Census [2]

Family # 44
Head of the Household Andreas Getz, age 57
Wife Elisabeth Schutz [sic] Getz, age 73 [perhaps Schultz?], from Stephan
Child #1 Georg Wilhelm Getz, age 28, by deceased wife
Wife of Child #1 Elisabeth Margaretha Brungard Getz, age 23
Grandchild #1 Anna Margaretha Getz, age 3 months


When Andreas and Eva Elisabeth Lochmann divorced, Georg Wilhelm stayed living with his biological father and his third wife, Elisabeth Schutz. Eva Elisabeth Lochmann Getz lived with step-daughter Maria Elisabeth Braun Krug. Unless he divorced second wife Eva Elisabeth after just a few years of marriage, she would have been the only mother any of the children really remembered. Because of the heavy influence on a partriarchal family line, however, it makes sense that Georg Wilhelm, who never knew his biological mother, would be compelled to stay with his biological father once he started his own family, rather than his step-mother.

Daughter Maria Elisabeth wouldn't have remained living in her step-father's household simply because once she married, she moved in with her husband's family. Later on, the couple was given a household of their own where they lived with their children and Andreas Getz's ex-wife, Eva Elisabeth Lochmann Getz.


Research Notes

There is conflicting information regarding Georg Lochmann that I'm trying to sort out. Here are details from AHSGR Origins site:

"LochmannFNJ.Georg}: married Schiefferstein{A.Elisabeth} in Luebeck 8 May 1766 (Mai&Marquardt#67). Later in 1766{Georg & Elisabeth} in Oranienbaum took transport for the Volga (T5828-5829). On 4 July 1766 he and wife {Anna} arrived in Russia, he said to be from Darmstadt (Kulberg1478). By 7 July 1767 this couple had settled at Paulskaya FSL #18, he said to be from Bach. For 1798 see Mai1798:Sh25. Lochmann{Johannes}FN: this man was listed in the 1798 Stephan"

If the above information is correct, then Georg Lochmann is not the Lochmann who is the father of Jakob Lochmann, family #90 in the 1775 Grimm census.

Georg Lochmann is the only Lochmann listed in the Kulberg Reports; he and his wife were younger in age and had no children.

There are no Lochmanns in Danish records.

What is confirmed is that Jakob Lochmann is listed as the step-son of Andreas Getz, family #90 in the 1775 Grimm census. His name does not match the surname of Getz's other step-children, meaning Getz had at least two wives. If his mother was married to Getz, as the term step-father implies, then her name was Elisabeth, which seems to match the above AHSGR Origins notes.

What throws a wrench into what is confirmed is that his mother, who appears to have divorced Mr. Getz, was living in Grimm in family #73 in the 1798 census with her step-daughter. According to the AHSGR Origins, in 1798 the former Elisabeth Lochmann was married to Nikolaus Gabel and living in Schaffshausen with two Lochmann daughters, ages 22 and 18. The two villages are not close. Jakob Lochmann, who would have been 31 in 1798, is completely missing from both village census records. It seems highly unlikely that she married Getz and immediately, the following year, she got back together with her former husband and had daughter Louisa, and then four years later, daughter Margaretha. It seems even more unlikely that she was living in Grimm for part of the year and Schaffshausen for part of the year. For this to be a match, Elisabeth had to:

  1. Marry Mr. Lochmann before 1766 and have son Jakob in 1767 in Paulskaja.
  2. Divorce Mr. Lochmann and marry Mr. Getz before 1775 in Grimm.
  3. Leave Mr. Getz in Grimm, get back together with Mr. Lochmann in Paulskaja, and have two more children in 1776 and 1780.
  4. Become a widow or once again leave Mr. Lochmann to marry Mr. Gabel in Schauffshausen. Have child with Mr. Gabel in 1785.
  5. Live with step-daughter from marriage to Mr. Getz in Grimm for part of 1798 using name Eva Elisabeth Braun, widow.
  6. Live with biological children and step children with Mr. Gabel in Schauffshausen for part of 1798 using name Elisabeth Gabel.

All these things being true are a virtual impossibility. It appears that we are looking at two different Elisabeths, and two different Lochmanns. And now I have a headache.


Sources

  1. The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995; 1775 Grimm census, family #90, Andreas Getz family.
  2. The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995; 1798 Grimm census, family #44, Andreas Getz family.


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