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Sarah (Guile) Thurston (1658 - 1724)

Sarah Thurston [uncertain] formerly Guile
Born in Haverhill, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap
Ancestors ancestors
Wife of — married 1678 in Little Compton, Newport, Rhode Islandmap
Descendants descendants
Died at age 66 in Haverhill, Essex, Province of Massachusetts Baymap
Profile last modified | Created 30 Jan 2014
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Biography

Sarah Guile was born 1 March 1657 at Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts, daughter of Samuel Gild and Judith Davis.[1][2]

She was called daughter Sarah by the will of Samuel Gild/Guile dated 16 Feb 1683. The bequest included payments by his sons to "my dather Sarah ... in corn and catell as can with in three years after my deses" which may suggest that Sarah was unmarried in 1683.[3][4]

Beyond that, little solid evidence of Sarah's marriage or death has been found.

Research Notes

The Guild/Guile/Gild book says Sarah d/o Samuel and Judith married Peter Pattee, but that is disproved by other records. Rhode Island vital records say Jonathan Thurston married in 1678 at Little Compton, Newport, Rhode Island, without naming the wife.[5][6]

Rhode Island vital records list the following 18 children (with reasonable intervals between their birth dates) below Jonathan's name, but give no mother.[7]

  1. Edward Thurston - b. 18 Oct 1679
  2. Elizabeth Thurston - b. 29 Nov 1682
  3. Mary Thurston - 20 Mar 1685
  4. Jonathan - b. 5 Jul 1687
  5. Rebecca Thurston - 28 Nov 1689
  6. Content Thurston - 18 Aug 1691
  7. Sarah - b. 9 Nov 1693
  8. John - b. 12 Jul 1695
  9. Eleanor - b. 26 Nov 1696
  10. Hope - b. 7 May 1700
  11. Abigail - b. 16 Feb 1702
  12. Patience - twin, b. 29 Jan 1705
  13. Amy - twin, b. 29 Jan 1705
  14. Peleg - b. 8 Jul 1706
  15. Jeremiah - b. 8 May 1710
  16. Susanna - b. b. 20 May 1712
  17. Joseph - b. 25 Apr 1714
  18. Job - b. 1 Jul 1717

A note in the RI vital records says: "In book 2, page __, this family is again recorded, except three youngest and Eleanor's name reads Eliza, and Almy or Amey: birth is given one year earlier. This is an error as the three belong to Jonathan, Jr., as given below."

"Jonathan, July 5, 1687; died 1740"
"Susanna, of Jonathan, Aug. 20, 1712"
"Joseph, April 25, 1714"
"Job, July 1, 1717"

Jonathan's will named only 11 children including sons Edward, Jonathan, Joseph, Job; daus Mary Brownel, Content Wood, Abigail White, Susannah Carr, Elenor Peters, Patiance Southworth, Sarah Sawday, but no wife. [8]

If this Sarah Guile born in 1658 was Jonathan's wife, it is bothersome that she could have had children as late as 1717 when she was age 60. Perhaps the children born after say 1700 were by a second wife.

Whether she died 19 October 1724 at Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts, is also uncertain. Strangely, that is the same dod as Peter Pattee who married a different Sarah Gill/Guile.

Sources

  1. Massachusetts Vital Records to 1850, (AmericanAncestors.org: NEHGS, 2001-2018), Haverhill v1, p 139; giving "Davis, Sarah, d. Samuel and Judith (Davis), Mar.1, 1657-8."
  2. Charles Henry Pope, The Pioneers of Maine and New Hampshire 1623-1660, (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1965); p 53; giving James Davis m. Sissilla, dau. m. Samuel Gile. [1]
  3. Charles Burleigh, The Genealogy and History of the Guild, Guile and Gile Family, (Portland ME: Brown Thurston & Company, 1887), Google Books, p 221-2; giving will 16 Feb 1683, text.
  4. Find A Grave: Memorial #32656739, Samuel Guile Sr; giving b. 19 Jan 1613, Eng, d. 21 Feb 1682, Haverhill, Essex Co MA, Pentucket Cemetery, extensive bio, will text.
  5. Rhode Island Marriages, 1724-1916, database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK1N-2J8 : 22 January 2020), Intentions and Marriages , Little Compton, Film # 007831442, image 253 of 871, p 63; giving Jonathan Thurston, 1678. [2]
  6. Find A Grave: Memorial #58622607, Sarah Guile Thurston; giving b. 1 Mar 1658, Haverhill, Essex Co MA, d. 19 Oct 1724, Haverhill, Essex Co MA, d/o Samuel Guile and Judith Davis, m. Jonathan Thurston, ch Elizabeth, Mary, Hope, Patience;
  7. Rhode Island Vital Records, 1636–1850 - Town and Church Records (Vol 1-12), (AmericanAncestors.org: NEHGS, 2014), Newport County v4, p 6-176; giving dob of ch Edward, Elizabeth, Mary, Jonathan, Rebecca, Content, Sarah, John, Eleanor, Hope, Abigail, Patience, Amy, Peleg, Jeremiah, Susanna, Joseph, Job. [3]
  8. Abstracts of Bristol County, Massachusetts Probate Records 1687-1745, (Provo UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc.), v9, p 293; giving ch Edward, Jonathan, Joseph, Job, Mary, Content, Abigail, Susannah, Eleanor, Patience, Sarah.

See also:

  • "New Jersey, County Marriages, 1682-1956," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VW5R-7FL : 12 December 2014), Sarah in entry for Jonathan Wood and Elizabeth Thurston, 06 Jan 1703; citing Gloucester, New Jersey, New Jersey State Archives, Trenton; FHL microfilm 850,324.
  • James Savage, A Gen. Dict. of the First Settlers of New England, (Genealogical Publ Co, Inc., Baltimore); giving Jonathan Thurston, dob, parents.

Acknowledgments

Thank you to [[Brooks-3870 | Cara Johnson], Jason Baxter, Merry Kennedy, and Dale Burdick for creating this profile.

Click the Changes tab for the details of contributions by Cara and others.





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I'm agreeing with Randy. The dates just do not add up for this Sarah to be the mother of these children. I think it should be changed to a Sarah Unknown that has birth dates that would fit with the dates of the children. I am willing to go back and make any changes needed to the biographies of the children if it is decided to make that change.
posted by [Living Brannan]
This is possibly a wrong birth date for her. This birth date causes her to have been 56 years old when son Joseph was born and 59 years old when son Job was born. It is unlikely that she would have had children at that age. I have not located any other source for birth information on her at this time.
posted by [Living Brannan]
Thank you, Kathy. I think that is an LDS church member submission to the IGI which FamilySearch collected into that database.
posted by Randy Seaver
Here is the source for the marriage. Unfortunately it does not give his spouses name and there is no image available it does give the microfilm number: "Rhode Island Marriages, 1724-1916," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VK1N-2J8 : 6 December 2014), Jonathan Thurston and MM9.1.1/VK1N-2JD:, 1678; citing Little Compton,Newport,Rhode Island, reference ; FHL microfilm 908,270.
posted by [Living Brannan]
continued:

so now that we know that the death date on this profile is wrong (it's Peter Patee's death date) because somebody conflated the Sarahs(?), what became of Sarah (--?--) Thurston? We know she died. I contend that she died before 1735 when Jonathan Thurston wrote his will and didn't mention her. She may have died earlier.

What of Sarah Guile/Guild/Gild/Gile/Giles born in 1658 in Haverhill? I have found no other marriage record for a person with that name on American Ancestors or Ancestry.com in the 1675-1695 time frame. Have you?

My suggestion is that Sarah the daughter of Samuel Gild and Judith Davis be disconnected from Jonathan Thurston because there is no evidence this is one person. The separate profile for Sarah the wife of Jonathan should be maintained

posted by Randy Seaver
continued:

I know there's a birth record for Sarah Gild in Haverhill in 1658 to Samuel and Judith (Davis) Gild. A Sarah Gill/Guild/Guile married Peter Pettee in Haverhill in 1682 according to Torrey's Marriages (from published works). This may be the Sarah Gild born in 1658.

Peter Patee died 19 October 1724 in Haverhill according to Haverhill VRs. That's the date on this profile for Sarah's death and on the spurious Find A Grave memorial. Peter has a Find A Grave memorial that has a link to Sarah Guile Patee (1654-1719) memorial. The birth date for this Sarah is different from Sarah the daughter of Samuel and Judith. So perhaps it's a different Sarah Guile. It's too much of a coincidence that Sarah Guile Thurston died the same day as Peter Patee.

to be continued

posted by Randy Seaver
She had previously been confused with another individual. Please complete this merge as spouse did not have two wives named Sarah. Samuel and Judith are the correct parents.
posted by [Living Brannan]
I don't know the right answer here, but I'm willing to listen.

What record (not an entry in an index book) do you have for the marriage of Jonathan Thurston (1659-1740) of Little Compton RI or Dartmouth MA? I have not seen one. Please provide a source.

Are there any records that list a Sarah as a mother to the 15 children born to Jonathan Thurston and his wife between 1679 and 1710? All of those children are listed in Little Compton records.

Where is the death record for Sarah that says she is a Thurston? There is no death record for a Sarah Thurston in Haverhill. There is no death record in Haverhill MA VRs for any Sarah. There is a Find A Grave memorial for Sarah Thurston (1658-1724) that says she died in Haverhill, but there is no gravestone.

to be continued.

posted by Randy Seaver
Giles-1618 and Guile-261 appear to represent the same person because: she only has one spouse. Both of these profiles have the same one and only spouse. They are a duplication. She is the daughter of Samuel and Judith. She and Jonathan are the parents of Content. She had been formerly confused with another individual but these are the same individual.
posted by [Living Brannan]
Giles-1618 and Guile-261 do not represent the same person because: two different spouses in two different places. Please do not merge them.
posted by Randy Seaver

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