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Hélène Godin (abt. 1746 - bef. 1788)

Hélène "Philomène" Godin aka dite Boisjoli
Born about in Riviere St-Jean, Acadie, Nouvelle-Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
Sister of , , , , , , and
Wife of — married 22 May 1771 in Yarmouth County, Nova Scotiamap
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , and
Died before before about age 42 in Yarmouth County, Colony of Nova Scotiamap
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Biography

Hélène/Philomene was born about 1746 in Rive St-Jean, Acadie. [1]She was counted with her family in the prison at Halifax in August 1763.[2] She married Pierre Surette III on May 22, 1771 in Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia. She died between January 3, 1785 and October 23, 1788 in Yarmouth County.[3]

Research Notes

DOBR registers of St. Charles aux Mines does not list her (no Bois Joli, no Bellefontaine, no GodinGaudin, or Godin), does list Pierre's father and wife but not Pierre himself. Not found in Acadians in Exile under these names.


Sources

  1. ↑ Bona Arsenault, HISTOIRE ET GENEALOGIE DES ACADIENS; 1625-1810; Ottawa, Editions Lemeac, 1978, 6 vols.; p. 1636 (River St. Jean);
  2. ↑ APPENDICES - Acadians Who Found Refuge in Louisiana, February 1764-early 1800s - GODIN/GAUDIN Acadians in Gray
  3. ↑ [http://mwlandry.ca/genealog/getperson.php?personID=I18176&tree=03 Hélène Godin Bellefontaine Boisjoli] mwlandry.ca
  • Book: A Sequel to Campbell's History, Page 399 (has both of Pierre Surette's marriages and a list of 9 children without birthdates) Book
  • Find A Grave: Memorial #145059537 Husbands memorial has no spouse memorials but does give their names (unsourced).

Acknowledgments

Thank you to Nina Pyne for Jolie-1 creating Bais Jolie-1 on 21 Dec 13.





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Isaac Taylor
Hmm:

"think Helene and Philomene are the same, when you say them out loud they sound the same"

Only if you're not French I'd say... ;-)

The accents are (Hél)ène versus (Philom)éne. Neither the root names nor suffices sound the same. Right? If it were Philomene and Heloise OK I could maybe get my head around "feelo/heelo to helo/elwaz" for family familiar... But Helen (poss via Selene ie moon/light) and philos- are ancient from the Greek, and distinct since.

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Bourque-573 Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Yep, you got me as a non-French speaker, that trips me up sometimes. Please go ahead and make the changes you mentioned before if you can improve the profiles. Thank you!
posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Isaac Taylor
Well I'm no Frenchie either

Any actual Acadian/Quebec francophones here, or experts in this family who can weigh in on the FNAB & nickname questions?

I'm just concerned to avoid conflating somebody or linking the wrong parent.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Cormier-1939 Gisèle Cormier
Well, as an Acadian living in Quebec, offering my 2 cents here. The ending of both words sounds the same. Sounds like "end" in English, but without sounding the d. Hélène-Philomène is also a composed name, like Anne-Marie. An example https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Handfield_Helene-Philomene&pid=1505022
posted by Gisèle Cormier
Bourque-573 Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Isaac, maybe this is a good question for G2G. There might be others with better French and good experience who could help.
posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Pyne-84 Nina Pyne
As a person with an Acadian Nova Scotian mother (Planter father) who was educated in French in Ontario, I have to say that there could be quite a variety of pronunciation in these names. My French speaking Acadian cousins speak with a completely different accent than I do (or did). Probably none of us would be clearly understood in France, although I could be understood in Morocco when I was there recently. What I'm trying to say is that language varies from place to place and, indeed, family to family, and a tiny little accent may not be the huge difference that it initially would appear to be.
posted by Nina Pyne
Isaac Taylor
Bonjour everyone,

On sources, we may have some problems with this family group. I'll pin to this profile, but may affect both wives and the middle children:

This source has become broken: https://museeacadien.ca/french/archives/fonds/microfilms/2001.97-f5-A_34.pdf
This source has no evidence: http://mwlandry.ca/genealog/getperson.php?personID=I18176&tree=03
This source: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145059537 leads to this page, for son Athanase:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194809405/athanase-surette which asserts the mother of Athanase b.1776 (note: unsourced claim) was 'Philomène dit Bellefontaine dit Boisjoli Godin' (note: unsourced claim), so:
  • Where does WikiTree source FNAB 'Hélène'?
  • Why does WikiTree discard 'Bellefontaine' but preserve 'Boisjoli'?

My interest is confirming via primary-source contemporary evidence which of Pierre's wives bore each child. Lineal for our kids here in California, via Betty Bourque sometime of Massachusetts.

Thanks in advance! Be well.

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Bourque-573 Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
HI, Isaac thank you for being so diligent in your research of sources for this person. Anything original you can find would be a great addition. I checked a few sources with no luck. The best background I can give is:

Jackie Girouard, project co-leader is very good at Acadian sources. We also use Karen Theriot Reader who cites her sources and is very reliable. Karen's page for Helene cites the Bona Arsenault source, but I don't have access to read the entry. KTR uses name Helene and the dit Boisjoli without the dit Bellefontaine.which she does have associated with the father and 4 of Helene's older siblings.

I found the book a Sequel to Campbell's History online https://books.google.com/books?id=KsYOAAAAYAAJ&q=surrette#v=onepage&q=surrette&f=false This source uses the name Philoméne Bois Jolis (but not Bellefontaine). It also lists nine children but no dates. Likely in birth order?

Can you turn up any marriage records for the children? That's what I would look for next.

posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Bourque-573 Cindy (Bourque) Cooper
Oh I also think Helene and Philomene are the same, when you say them out loud they sound the same Helene short for Philomene.
posted by Cindy (Bourque) Cooper

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