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John Goodman

John Goodman
Born [date unknown] in Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died before in Plymouth Colonymap [uncertain]
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John Goodman was a passenger on the Mayflower.
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Biography

Disputed Persons

Not Rev. John Dunham.
The Dunham Genealogy claimed that John Goodman was an alias used by the Rev. John Dunham.[1]
"John Goodman, the Mayflower Passenger, and Deacon John Dunham, of Leyden, Holland (and later of Plymouth) were not the same person."[2][3] There is no documentary evidence and is completely disproved by the Leyden records.[4][5] Those interested in Dunham's English origins are referred to TAG 71:130-133.
Not John Codmoer, spouse of Mary Backus and Sarah Hooper.
In 1905, Henry Martyn Dexter proposed that John Goodman was the man found in Leiden records as John "Codmoer," widower of Mary Backus, who married Sarah Hooper 16 Sep 1619[6]
But this has been disputed by many later researchers as unfounded: The actual spelling on the record was "Codmoer" and is a pretty significant misspelling of "Goodman" even by Dutch standards.[3][7]
A recent analysis, by Caleb Johnson of Bradford's passenger list, places John Goodman in the group of Leiden Church members. He suggests that the relevance of the marriage record be reconsidered, since John was a Leiden member and there is a marriage record of a John Goodman to a Mary Barker (widow) on 26 Oct 1604 at Everdon, Northamptonshire, consistent with the Leiden betrothal record.[8]
Not the son of Edward Goodman and wife Mary Rushall
Edward and Mary had a son John, but John was executor of Mary's 1627 estate, so was alive and living in England.[9]

Mayflower and Plymouth

Bradford listed the following men who sailed on the Mayflower as a group: Moyses Fletcher, John Goodman, Thomas Williams, Digerie Preist, Edmond Margeson, Peter Browne, Richard Britterige, Richard Clarke, Richard Gardenar, Gilbart Winslow.[10]

John signed the Mayflower Compact 11 Nov 1620.[11]

John Goodman had some rather exciting adventures in his first days in Plymouth. He and Peter Brown went out to cut thatch and got lost in the woods. Search parties were sent to no avail. They spent a cold, wet, frightful night in the woods. Animals (they thought lions) howled around them. They had two dogs with them (a mastiff bitch and a spaniel) that they had to hold onto so they wouldn't chase after the wild beasts. They finally found their way back late the following day 13 Jan 1620/1. John's feet were damaged and "it was a long while after ere he was able to go," On the 19th he "went abroad to use his lame feet." "having a little Spannell with him, a little way from the Plantation, two great Wolves ran after the Dog, the Dog ran to him and betwixt his leggs for succour, he had nothing in his hand but tooke vp a sticke, and threw at one of them and hit him, and they presently ran both away, but came againe, he got a paile bord in his hand, and they sat both on their tayles, grinning at him, a good while, and went their way, and left him. The original text of these adventures is found in Mourt's Relation Or Journal of the Plantation at Plymouth. pp 73-78[12]

He had a house plot located on the south side of the street and east of the highway, between William Brewster and Peter Browne.[13]

The 1623 division of land among the Plymouth colonists (probably made in early 1623/4) placed John Alden in the group that received land on the "north side of the towne." Others in this group were Edward Winslow, Richard Warren, John Goodman, John Crackston, Mary Chilton, Captain Myles Standish, Francis Eaton, Henry Cooper, and Humility Cooper [14].

Death ?

Moyses Fletcher, Thomas Williams, Digerie Preist, John Goodman, Edmond Margeson, Richard Britteridge, Richard Clarke. All these dyed sone after their arivall, in the generall sicknes that befell. But Digerie Preist ...[10]

If he died of the general sickness in 1620/1, how was he still alive at the 1623 land division? However, he was not listed in the 1627 cattle division.[14]

Mayflower, First Sickness and Cole's Hill Burial Ground

Research Notes

  • The Goodman History and Genalogy page claims: He is listed with many of the other later Mayflower passengers on the 1620 voyage of the ship “Speedwell” from Leiden to Southampton. He is aged 25, and listed as a linen weaver. This establishes his birth date as about 1595, possibly in Holland, or in England if he was a son of one of the Separatists who left or were expelled from England and went to Holland, and who comprised the majority of Mayflower passengers to Plymouth. [15]
    • Where is this ships list??
  • Unsourced birth: 4 SEP 1587 Fawsley, Northamptonshire, England

Sources

  1. Dunham, Isaac Watson. Dunham genealogy. Deacon John Dunham of Plymouth, Massachusetts. 1589-1669. And his descendants. (Norwich, Conn., Bulletin print , 1907) p. 1, 4+
  2. "False and Faked Mayflower Claims." Mayflower Descendant 23:76. (1921) Link at AmericanAncestors ($)
  3. 3.0 3.1 Stratton, Eugene. Plymouth Colony: Its History and Its People, 1620-1691, (1986) p. 297
  4. Banks, Charles Edward, 1854-1931. The English Ancestry And Homes of the Pilgrim Fathers Who Came to Plymouth On the "Mayflower" In 1620, the "Fortune" In 1621, And the "Anne" And the "Little James" In 1623. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1962.
  5. Mayflower Families 43:14
  6. Dexter, Henry Martyn. The England and Holland of the Pilgrims. (Boston, New York, Houghton, Mifflin and company, 1905) pp 577, 615
  7. http://mayflowerhistory.com/goodman
  8. Johnson, Caleb. "New Light on Mayflower Passengers" The American Genealogist 80:97 (2005) https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/13263/97/235861403
  9. Transcription of Will https://web.archive.org/web/20230401101146/http://fzsaunders.com/goodmanwill1.html -- Original Archdeaconry Court of Northampton wills and administrations, 1st Ser., OE:59, FHL microfilm 0,187,594.
  10. 10.0 10.1 Bradford, William. History of Plymouth Plantation. (Boston:, 1856) p. 449, 454
  11. Morton, Nathaniel. New England's memorial. (Boston: Congregational board of publication, 1855) Originally published 1669.p. 26 Note: The original compact is gone. Morton furnished the earliest known list 1669 facsimile
  12. Mourt's Relation Or Journal of the Plantation at Plymouth. (Boston: John Kimball Wiggin, 1865) at Google Books 73-76, 77
  13. Records of the colony of New Plymouth, in New England; printed by order of the legislature of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts by New Plymouth Colony, by Nathaniel Bradstreet Shurtleff and David Pulsifer Vol. 12 Deeds, &c. Vol. 1 1620-1651 & Book of Indian Records for their lands [https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=zkEOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb_hover&pg=GBS.PA2 facsimile and see next page also. [http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/plymouth/1620map.html also The Plymouth Colony Archive Project.
  14. 14.0 14.1 Shurtleff, Nathaniel Bradstreet; Pulsifer, David Records of the colony of New Plymouth, in New England (New York : AMS Press,) Vol. 12 Deeds, &c. Vol. 1 1620-1651 & Book of Indian Records for their lands vol. 12:4; 1923 p. 4 1927 pp 9-13
  15. http://www.goodmanhistory.com/other-goodmans/mayflower-john-goodman.html




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Goodman-216 and Goodman-204 appear to represent the same person because: Have added details and source links from the Great Migration book
posted by Beryl Meehan
Goodman-3503 and Goodman-204 appear to represent the same person because: This person is the same person
posted by Robert Smith
Goodman-3503 and Goodman-204 do not represent the same person because: Not same person
posted by Nick Dann
There is no supporting documents that show John Goodman married Joan Pye. Joan Pye is likely confused with Jane Pye, who married George Phippen. I would suggest removing Joan Pye as wife, and then accepting the merge with John Goodman Goodman-204, Mayflower passenger.
posted on Goodman-216 (merged) by Bill Catambay
Goodman-5588 and Goodman-216 appear to represent the same person because: same spouse.
posted on Goodman-216 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
This profile has a lot of conjectural attachments. That since they are not accepted by the Mayv=flower Society should be removed.

l. Parents - Edward and Mary had a son John, but John was executor of her 1627 estate, so was alive and living in England. Not this John.

2. Birth date ?? totally unsourced.

3. Wives are speculative at this point. A John Codmoer should be created to link the wives together. If at some time the Goodman/Codmoer relationship is proved, the two men can be merged.

Objections to changes, disconnections?

posted by Anne B
The other Goodman family members are from Northamptonshire. Why should we believe that this John Goodman from Devon is part of that family?
posted on Goodman-216 (merged) by [Living Boren]
Goodman-204 and Goodman-216 are not ready to be merged because: Different wives. Joan Pye does not show up in any Mayflower genealogies. They show up as parents on http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid38446914. More research needed to confirm or reject the match, likely it is a different person.
posted on Goodman-216 (merged) by Bob Fields
i found info on John's marriage to Sarah after Mary died in Leiden,Holland in 1619.This info is located in web site in photo pilgrims archive.i don't know how to copy this.Perhaps someone can assist?
john came to the usa on the Mayflower in 1620. he brought 2dogs with him. He died in 1621 from some illness.