John Gorman (abt. 1766 - 1842)

Born about 1766 in County Meath, Ireland

Husband of Mary (Reilly) Gorman — married 8 Jul 1810 in ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY Co. Dublin, Ireland

Husband of Judith (Breslaw) Gorman — married 1833 in Sydney, St Phillip's Church of England

Descendants

Died 1842 at about age 76 in New South Wales

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Biography

This profile is part of the Gorman Name Study.

John Gorman and Mary Reilly married on 08-Jul-1810 at ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY Co. Dublin, Roman Catholic, Witnesses: Andrew Gorman, Rose Reilly, Parents names not given. Note John and Mary had children in Ireland and are not to be confused with the John Gorman and Mary Reilly who married in NSW linked to Johanna on some Ancestry trees. they are a different couple, he is John Gorman 1770-1842 Three Bees 1813

John was about 55 on arrival, no crime details available, born Meath County and convicted in Kildare.

Official references

• New South Wales convict arrivals NSW TL Lord Sidmouth 1821 7 Resident Parramatta 1828 Labourer to Margt O'Neill Phillip St, Sydney. It is believed John had a son with Margaret.
• John Gorman was born C1766, or 1775, or 1772~according to his death certificate.
• Colonial Secretary index: GORMAN, John. Per “Lord Sidmouth”, 1821
  • 1825 Mar 1: Servant of Thomas Gorman of Macquarie Street, Parramatta; attestation as to his character for a ticket of leave (Reel 6027; 4/1716.2 p.184) Granted August 1827 (trove)
  • 1825: TOL [4/4060; Reel 890] District: Parramatta; Born: Meath Co 1775?; Trade: Labourer; Tried: Kildare
  • 21/8/1827: COF 27/0828 21 Aug 1827 Certificate of Freedom [4/4290; Reel 982] TL 137/1611
  • 26/7/1833: Permission to marry and marriage to Judith Breslaw/Breslan (Forth 1830) at Sydney, St Phillip's (Anglican) NSW BDM V183393 17. Groom's status given as married
  • 1842: NSW BDM - died aged 70 ^[1]

88scott young on 15th August, 2019 wrote:

Sentenced 13 July 1820 - In company of 3 others raided a house in Leixlip belonging to Robert Law and at gunpoint stole house linen ,table linen , wearing apparel , spoons etc etc ......daughter later identified him ,despite her being blind, as he was the one who pistol-whipped her^[2]

Research Notes

Is he the father of Johanna Gorman?

• Online sources state John and Mary had four children, Catherine, James, and in 1812 Johanna and John. St. Paul's, Dublin city index 1805-29 has a Catherine (different mother) , Johanna, 2 Johns no James This source states John snr was Born in Kildare, Ireland on 1766.

DNA investigation into parentage.

• Peter GormanID:38817 County:Meath flaxgrower ^[3] is given as the father of John 1763 Meath and William Gorman 1755– • Annfield, Dublin, Ireland. This source gives William 1755 as the father of James, 1810. There is a distant DNA link between a descendant of William via his son Bryan (WG) and a descendant of James (BG) *bj
• I am currently searching any link between descendants of James and John or his daughter Johanna, so:
  • links to descendants of Johanna or
  • Y-DNA pinpointing Meath or Kildare as a likely origin
  • he is not the same person as John Gorman transported on Three Bees in 1813 who in 1827 married Mary Reilly b1797, transported on the Lady Rowena. They married at St Mary's Sydney
• Is John junior any relation? Both were assigned to Margt O'Neill, have decided yes
• Is Luke any relation?
• A niece? Catherine Gorman Baptism Date: 12 Mar 1809 Athboy, Meath, Father's name: James Gorman Mother's name: Cathn Reilly, Sponsor Witness 1: John Reilly Sponsor Witness 2: Catherine Reilly
• A John Gorman was baptised on 07 Jun 1767 at St. Catherine's, Dublin city.
• A John Gorman was arrested for:
  • house robbery with three other men in 1820 (26 May 1820 - Saunders's News-Letter - Dublin, Dublin, Republic of Ireland) sent to Kildare
  • assault of Mr Burke by 3 notorious pickpockets (31 May 1820 - Saunders's News-Letter - Dublin, Dublin, Republic of Ireland)

Sources

1. ↑ JOHN 670/1842 V1842670 114 parents not given
2. ↑ Convict Records Index, 1787-1867
3. ↑ Irish Flax Growers List, 1796

• NSW Convict muster
• NSW 1828 census
• http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/gorman/john/131378
• National Library of Ireland Parish records http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633535#page/1/mode/1up