Disputed maiden name and/or parentage: There are two issues regarding Elizabeth:
1. Was she the daughter of Henry Gregory?
Nothing in the record about Henry indicates he had a daughter Elizabeth; nothing in the record about Elizabeth _____ Marvin suggests she had a relationship to Henry Gregory. Therefore, she has been separated from Henry Gregory as a father. For a detailed discussion of this subject, see the G2G post G2G
2. Was she a Gregory?
Although the name Gregory has been associated with Elizabeth for many years, noteworthy works in print dating back to 1848[2] consistently refer to her as just Elizabeth ______--there is no identifiable record that provides insight to her maiden name. In 1904, George Franklin Marvin and William T. R. Marvin again referred to her as Elizabeth ______.[3][4]
Robert Charles Anderson's Great Migration report for the Matthew Marvin shows Elizabeth's last name as unknown.[5]
Because some family historians have associated Gregory as Elizabeth's maiden name, Gregory was retained as "other current last name." For a detailed discussion of this subject, see the G2G post G2G
Biography
Before 1622, Elizabeth _____[6][7] married Matthew Marvyn in England, probably in Great Bentley. She was born around 1604[8][9]; her parentage is presently unproven, as are assertions that her surname was Gregory.
In 1635, she migrated from England to New England aboard the Increase with her husband and their 5 eldest children.[10][11]
Elizabeth and Matthew settled in Hartford soon after arrival.[12] There her husband Matthew was a original proprietor.[13]
Her death was not recorded but she died sometime after the birth of her last child in 1640, and before 1647, by which time her husband remarried.[14][15] Matthew Marvin removed to Norwalk in 1651.[16]
Children:
Matthew Marvin and Elizabeth had 7 children. Hannah was 6mo old when the family embarked on the Increase in 1635. The two youngest children were born in Hartford, Connecticut.[17]
Hannah Marvin b. about October 1634 in Great Bentley, England d. after 1680 m. Thomas Seymour January 5, 1654[28] in Norwalk, Connecticut, 11 children[29]
Abigail Marvin b. about 1637 in Hartford, Connecticut d. after December 1680, m. John Bowton (son of Alice Marvin, Abigail's step-mother) January 1657[30] in Norwalk, Connecticut, 7 children[31]
Rebecca Marvin b. about 1639 in Hartford, Connecticut d. unknown m. to a John Clark of Farmington, about 1662[32], exact identity unknown 12 children[33]
Sources
↑ Roberts, Gary Boyd; Ancestors of American Presidents
↑ George Franklin Marvin and William T. R. Marvin, Descendants of Reinold and Matthew Marvin of Hartford, Ct., 1638 and 1635 (Boston: T. R. Marvin & Son, 1904 [reprinted c199?]), 287 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
↑ Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume V, M-P (2007), 63-71, “Matthew Marvin.”
↑ Reporting eldest known child, Elizabeth Marvin, baptized Great Bentley, Essex, 15 September 1622, citing "Parish Register of St. Mary's, Great Bentley," George Franklin Marvin and William T. R. Marvin, Descendants of Reinold and Matthew Marvin of Hartford, Ct., 1638 and 1635 (Boston: T. R. Marvin & Son, 1904 [reprinted c199?]), 297 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
↑ She was reported age 31 on 15 April 1635, see John Camden Hotten, The original lists of persons of quality; emigrants; religious exiles; political rebels; serving men sold for a term of years; apprentices; children stolen; maidens pressed; and others who went from Great Britain to the American plantations 1600-1700 … (1874), 65; digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
↑ Based on 15 April 1635 list of passengers scheduled to depart London for New England in John Camden Hotten, The original lists of persons of quality; emigrants; religious exiles; political rebels; serving men sold for a term of years; apprentices; children stolen; maidens pressed; and others who went from Great Britain to the American plantations 1600-1700 … (1874), 65; digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
↑ George Franklin Marvin and William T. R. Marvin, Descendants of Reinold and Matthew Marvin of Hartford, Ct., 1638 and 1635 (Boston: T. R. Marvin & Son, 1904 [reprinted c199?]), 287 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
Roberts, Gary Boyd; Ancestors of American Presidents. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009.
#S1 Barbour, Lucius Barnes, 1982, Families of Early Hartford, Connecticut Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc., Baltimore, Maryland and Connecticut Society of Genealogists, Inc., Glastonbury, Connecticut pp.387
Robert Charles Anderson, _The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume V, M-P_ (2007), 63-71, “Matthew Marvin”; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014).
George Franklin Marvin and William T. R. Margin, _Descendants of Reinold and Matthew Marvin of Hartford, Ct., 1638 and 1635_ (Boston: T. R. Marvin & Son, 1904 [reprinted c199?]), 287; digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
Source: S2 The Goodrich Family in America. A Genealogy of the Descendants of John and William Goodrich of Wethersfield, Conn., Richard Goodrich of Guilford, Conn., and William Goodridge of Watertown, Mass. Lafayette Wallace Case M.D., Author Role: Editor Publication: Fergus Printing Company, Chicago, Illinois, 1889, Second Date, 1984
DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Elizabeth by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA.
Mitochondrial DNA test-takers in the direct maternal line:
I trace my lineage back to Elizabeth, and have done a Mitochondrial DNA test at FTDNA, with a resulting Haplo group of H11a.
One of my 0 genetic distance matches also traces his maternal line back to Elizabeth.
If you believe you are a matrilineal descendant of Elizabeth and you too are H11a, please be in touch or reply here.
Gregory-2790 and Unknown-238926 appear to represent the same person because: The narrative of Unknown-238926 makes it clear her origins are not known. Please merge these duplicate profiles that represent the wife of Marvin. Thank you.
Margaret, we could be waiting an eternity for such verification. It's the practice on wikitree to detach parents and use Unknown as maiden name until such time as we can verify her origins. I'm reproposing the merge based on the comments below yours. Please approve it.
Gregory-2790 and Unknown-238926 do not represent the same person because: At this point we my need to wait for verification of last name and make sure parentage is correct. I believe that they are the same person but caution is my middle name
Matthew Marvins wife is Elizabeth Unknown and needs to be merged the parents attached are not her parents and don't even have the same last name they will be disconnected. Objections?
Gregory-2790 and Unknown-238926 appear to represent the same person because: Im not sure either about this but Im thinking that these two need to be merged. Also Im not sure if its Gregory or Henry as the last name. You may want to contact Douglas Henry and Paul Stephen Hughes.
I am not disputing any of your findings. However, there is one source that gives Elizabeth's name as Gregory, father as Henry and child as Abigail. It is the Millenium File on Ancestry which I know is not necessarily from original sourcing. Just wanted to note this on the profile.
Name: Matthew Marvin
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gt bentley, Essex, England
Christening Date: 26 Mar 1600
Christening Place: St. Mary, Essex, England
Death Date: 20 Dec 1678
Death Place: Norwalk, Fairfield, Connecticut, USA
Marriage Date: Jan 1622
Mother: Margaret Gillyat
Spouse: Elizabeth Gregory
Children: Abigail Marvin
Spouse Father: Henry Gregory
This is a comment I originally sent without logging in. The Elizabeth Gregory who was the daughter of Henry Gregory was born about 1604 in Nottingham, England. She married Richard Webb. After emigration, they lived for a while in Stratford, CT. Both Richard Webb and Elizabeth's brother John Gregory (my ancestor) are listed on the Norwalk Founder's Memorial. (John' name is spelled Greggorie). Unfortunately, the maiden name of the Elizabeth who married Matthew Marvin, Sr. (also my ancestor) is unknown as best as I can tell. This latter Elizabeth was probably born in Essex, England (perhaps in Great Bentley), also about 1604. She died in Hartford, CT, in or about 1647. Afterwards Matthew Marvin, Sr. also went to Norwalk, CT, where he was also considered a founding father.
Hope you all have been following the discussion of Matthew Marvin and his wives on G2g at http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/72358/should-we-kill-matthew-marvins-women?show=75525#a75525. There appears to be no evidence that Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Gregory or even a Gregory at all. For this reason, I believe it is time to change her LNAB to Unknown and disconnect her from the Gregory family. I have added a disputed origins paragraph to her profile. Please let me know if you object.
One of my 0 genetic distance matches also traces his maternal line back to Elizabeth. If you believe you are a matrilineal descendant of Elizabeth and you too are H11a, please be in touch or reply here.
Name: Matthew Marvin Gender: Male Birth Place: Gt bentley, Essex, England Christening Date: 26 Mar 1600 Christening Place: St. Mary, Essex, England Death Date: 20 Dec 1678 Death Place: Norwalk, Fairfield, Connecticut, USA Marriage Date: Jan 1622 Mother: Margaret Gillyat Spouse: Elizabeth Gregory Children: Abigail Marvin Spouse Father: Henry Gregory
Kathy