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Reynold Grey, Knt., was an important feudal and parliamentary baron of England and Wales. He played an active role in military and administrative functions.
He was summoned to Parliament from 6 Dec. 1389 to 26 Sept. 1439, by writs directed Reginaldo de Grey de Ruthyn chivaler.
Governor in Ireland
Privy Councillor to King Henry IV
He also assumed the "style" of "Lord Hastings" (in other words, he started calling himself that), after his cousin John de Hastings died in 1389, and he took over his inheritance. This "style" was officially accepted for his grandson Edmund when the Earldom of Kent was confirmed to him in 1484. Note that Reynold is not considered to have really become "Lord Hastings" or the "Earl of Pembroke" despite having been able to take over the inheritances of John de Hastings. One long-lasting controversy concerned the use of the undifferenced Hastings coat of arms, which Edward de Hastings claimed against him at great personal expense, but lost the case.[3] This case started in 1401 but continued 20 years.[1][2]
Among the heritable offices of the Lords Hastings he acquired the very old marchalcy of nappery, which was important at coronations, which technically meant he was responsible for the linen. He consequently carried the Great Spurs and the Second Sword coronation of King Henry IV and King Henry V in 1413.[1][2][3]
From his own inheritance: Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, Wrest (in Silsoe), Bedfordshire, Over Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, Water Eaton and Hemingford Grey, Huntingdonshire
In right of his 2nd wife: Astley, Bedworth, and Bentley, Warwickshire, Broughton, Leicestershire, etc.
As heir of John de Hastings: numerous manors including Benham Valence, Valence in Great Shelford, Brampton (Hunts), East Sutton, Hartley, Luddesdon, Sutton Valence, Hastings in Tottenham, Wootton, Yardley Hastings, Aston in Munslow, Little Marston (West Camel), Chelmscote (Brailes), Fillongley, Fulbrook, Pillerton (in Pillerton Priors), Littleton Pannell, etc.
Life events:
He was 26 or more in 1388 when his father died.[1][2]
He 1395 he had livery of his mother's lands in Wales and England[3]
He attended the King in Ireland in 1394 and 1399.[1][2][3]
He gave his assent in Parliament 23 Oct. 1399 to the secret imprisonment of King Richard II. [1][2][3]
He was appointed one of the king's lieutenants in North Wales 15 Jan. 1401/2. Early in 1402, he was taken prisoner by Owain Glyn Dwr, remaining a captive throughout the whole year. He had to pay a ransom of 10,000 marks, and give his eldest son and others as hostages. According to Welsh writers, he was forced to marry Joan, daughter of Owain Glyn Dwr. [1][2]
In the words of Richardson: "He was about to go abroad in 1417. He went to France with the king in 1425."[1][2]
Family
m. Margaret de Ros Nov 1378 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. (b. 1363 Stoke Albany, Northamptonshire - d. 1413 Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales.)
Issue:
Eleanor (1382 - 1433)
Thomas GREY (b.1384 Ruthin)
Sir John GREY K.G. (1386 - 27 Aug 1439) m. Constance Holland. (p. Elizabeth Plantagenet and John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter) Issue.
Pernel GREY (b.1390 Ruthin)
Margaret (1395 - 1426) m. William Bonville, 1st Baron Bonville. (They were great-grandparents of Cecily Bonville m. Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset, descendant of Reginald Grey by second marriage)
Elizabeth 1405 - 1437) m.1 Robert Poynings, 5th Baron Poynings (2 sons); m.2 Sir George Browne. Issue: 5
m.2 Joan de Astley (1379 Astley, Warwickshire - 12 Nov 1448 in Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales; p. Sir William de Astley, 5th Baron Astley and Catherine de Willoughby.)
Issue:
Sir Edward de Grey, Lord Ferrers of Groby (c.1415/16- 18 Dec 1457) m. Elizabeth Ferrers of Groby. Issue: 5 (son: John Grey, 1st Baron Grey of Groby, first husband of Elizabeth Woodville)
John de Grey Esquire was born 1417 and died 8 Dec 1447.
Eleanor (b.1419)
Elizabeth (b.1421 Ruthin) m. Sir William Calthorpe. Issue.
Robert de Grey, Esq. (1423 - Jun 1460) m. Eleanor Lowe. Issue.
Constance (b.1425 Ruthin)
Sources
↑ 1.01.11.21.31.41.51.61.71.81.9 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. II, pp. 274-277, GREY 7
↑ 2.02.12.22.32.42.52.62.72.82.9 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. III, pp. 126-130, GREY 11.
↑ 3.03.13.23.33.43.53.6 Cokayne, George Edward, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, or Dormant (London: St. Catherine Press, 1910.), 1:284, 5:358, 6:155-158 (Grey of Ruthin=Main article), 6:351 (Hastings), 9:605, 10:396-7 (Pembroke).
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis W Reference: 26 May 2003 Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
Craig, F. N., "Ralegh of Farnborough," NEHGR 145:1 (Jan 1991) (New England Historic, Genealogical Society.), p. 13, Los Angeles Public Library.
Faris, David, Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999. [2nd Edition]), pp. 37, 63, 159, 314, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 974 F228 1999.
Metcalfe, Walter Charles, The Visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570; Raven, 1612; and Owen and Lilly, 1634 (London: Mitchell and Hughes, 1879.), p. 542, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 942.005 H284 v.14.
Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2004.), pp. 42, 45, 58, 127, 211, 235, 482, Family History Library, 942 D5rd.
Roskell, John Smith, The History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1386-1421 (Stroud, Gloucestershire: Alan Sutton Pub. Ltd., 1992.), 2:284, Family History Library, 942 D3hp 1386-1421.
Transactions of the Leicestershire Archaeological Society (FHL BRITISH Film #1,426,227.), 12:209, Family History Library.
Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (7th ed., Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992.), 93A-32, 93B-32, 257-37, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 974 W426 1992.
Reynold Grey is documented by Douglas Richardson as a descendant of Surety Baron Henry de Bohun and as ancestor of a number of Gateway Ancestors. See Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd edition, 2011, Vol. II pp.274-5.
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GREY REGINALD, son of Reginald de Grey, grandson of Roger de Grey and Elizabeth Hastings, daughter of Isabel Valence.
[CIPM RII V16] Nos. 885. John de Hastyngs, son and heir of John de Hastynges, late earl of Pembroke. Writ of devenerunt 2 January, 13 Richard II. Bedford - Kempston. The manor, held of the king in chief, service not known. The said heir died on Thursday before the Circumcision last. REYNOLD DE GREY OF RUTHYN, aged 26 years and more, is his kinsman and heir, to wit, son of Reynold son of Elizabeth daughter of John Hastynges and Isabel his wife one of the sisters and heirs of Aymer de Valence; which John and Isabel also had issue John brother of the said Elizabeth, who was father of Laurence father of John father of the said heir.
It appears to be from Richardson, with the odd trivial change, and needs to be totally replaced. Want to have a go, Andrew? The whole profile needs an overhaul.
I knew you'd ask that! I was considering having a go, but putting it off. :) I was just thinking we could make a quick improvement by at least attributing the quote better.
I'll try to find a moment. We have a lot of cases with Richardson-based quotes, but unfortunately we can't just assume they are accurate. So typically you have to work through the whole Richardson article (I have RA) and I would normally also cross check with CP (which is often RA's source but has more in-line citations).
Yes, this is a period with more records, but on the other hand that also makes it more likely that this profile is not going to have major mistakes. I'll make it my first priority to get the basics right. :)
Anything you have time to do to improve the profile will be very welcome :-) (It is on my exceedingly long to-do list, and you are likely to be saving me effort, for which I am always grateful!)
FYI, when a MCP profile says Needs Development in the MCP section (under Acknowledgements heading), it means just that ... we haven't looked at this profile yet. Please feel free to improve/edit as you wish!
Richardson gives a date for the second marriage of before 7 Feb 1414/5. I cannot find immediately sources for birth dates of the second wife or children by the second marriage, though the children's birth dates given here are consistent with what Richardson says about the marriage date. Richardson does not give a birth date for Joan Astley, though he says her parents married before 1370. The likelihood is that Joan's birthdate is wrong.
This profile needs an overhaul to meet current Magna Carta Project standards when someone has time. if you feel like doing some research and correcting dates and making other improvements, that would be very helpful.
I won't promise anything, but if I get a chance I always do. Normally I post a comment if I am working on something else at the time. In this case I only dropped by because I needed to create one of the daughters for a marriage with the Cressy family I was working on because they are Keynes descendants and involved in the leftovers of the Barony of Tarrant Keynestone.
Hi! This profile has a database error because the project account WikiTree-19 is a manager but the corresponding project box is not displayed. Could someone from British Royals and Aristocrats take a look and either add the appropriate project box or remove WikiTree-19 as a manager? Thanks!
As Reynold Grey is in a prospective trail from a Gateway Ancestor to a Magna Carta Surety Baron that is documented by Douglas Richardson, I have made the Magna Carta project a co-manager of the profile alongside existing managers. Any questions - please contact me. Thanks! I am also merging in a duplicate profile.
Grey-1114 and Grey-168 appear to represent the same person because: Self-evident duplicates. The merge will also avoid WikiTree having a lone unsourced profile with no family.
Please see the notes I have placed on the profiles of Edmund Grey and Reynold Grey. Both are show as sons of the Reynold Grey of this profile. Edmund Grey has been marked as uncertain existence since 2015. Son Reynold has as sources just an unreliable GEDCOM with many mistakes and family trees on the web. I have found no good source that they were children. Does anyone have evidence to support the relationships? If not, I am minded to detach them.
I have now detached Edmund and Reynold as children, and will propose merges to avoid WikiTree having loans profiles with no relations for people of uncertain existence.
This profile has no good sourcing. Does anyone have evidence that Reynold was a son of Reynold Grey? I can find no evidence myself for the relationship.
Unless anyone has evidence, I am minded to detach Reynold from his currently shown father, with research notes on his and their profiles to say he was previously shown as a child, with no sources for this.
As suggested in G2G, I intend to detach Reynold from his current parents, and then propose a merge of him into the profile of his currently shown father to avoid leaving on WikiTree a floating lone profile with no family connections for someone who may never have existed. I plan to amend birth and death dates to correspond to those of his currently shown father.
I am descended from Sir Reynold's youngest son Robert. The sources all seem to agree on the facts set out very clearly here (complements to the authors!), but I'm puzzled by there being two sons John and two daughters Elizabeth, one from each marriage.
[CIPM RII V16] Nos. 885. John de Hastyngs, son and heir of John de Hastynges, late earl of Pembroke. Writ of devenerunt 2 January, 13 Richard II. Bedford - Kempston. The manor, held of the king in chief, service not known. The said heir died on Thursday before the Circumcision last. REYNOLD DE GREY OF RUTHYN, aged 26 years and more, is his kinsman and heir, to wit, son of Reynold son of Elizabeth daughter of John Hastynges and Isabel his wife one of the sisters and heirs of Aymer de Valence; which John and Isabel also had issue John brother of the said Elizabeth, who was father of Laurence father of John father of the said heir.
I'll try to find a moment. We have a lot of cases with Richardson-based quotes, but unfortunately we can't just assume they are accurate. So typically you have to work through the whole Richardson article (I have RA) and I would normally also cross check with CP (which is often RA's source but has more in-line citations).
edited by Michael Cayley
FYI, when a MCP profile says Needs Development in the MCP section (under Acknowledgements heading), it means just that ... we haven't looked at this profile yet. Please feel free to improve/edit as you wish!
This profile needs an overhaul to meet current Magna Carta Project standards when someone has time. if you feel like doing some research and correcting dates and making other improvements, that would be very helpful.
edited by Michael Cayley
I have also asked a Question about this in G2G.
edited by Michael Cayley
Unless anyone has evidence, I am minded to detach Reynold from his currently shown father, with research notes on his and their profiles to say he was previously shown as a child, with no sources for this.
I have also asked a question in G2G.