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William Griffith (1447 - abt. 1506)

Sir William "1st of Penrhyn, Chamberlain of North Wales" Griffith
Born in Penrhyn Castle, Caernarvonshire, Walesmap
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Died about at about age 58 in Penrhyn,, Caernarvonshire, Walesmap
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Biography

1447 Birth and Parents

WILLIAM GRIFFITH, K.B., he was born 25 Nov. 1447. [1]

Birth:
Date: 1445
Place: Penrhyn Castle,,Caernarvonshire,Wales[2]

William Griffith, (c. 1445 - 1505/6, was the son of Gwilym Fychan (c. 1420 - 1483) and his first wife Ales, daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Dalton of Apthorp, Northamptonshire. The date of his birth is not known, but it was after 1440 (18 Henry VI), as that is the year his father became a resident of England, with the covenant that he would not married a Welsh woman.[3]

1479 Marriage to Joan Troutbeck

His (1st wife) was Joan Troutbeck. [1]

He m. (1) Joan Troutbeck, widow of Sir William Butler of Bewsey, Cheshire.[4]

They probably married about 1479, the year before his oldest son, William, was born) at Llandygai, Caernarvonshire, , Wales[5]

Marriage to Elizabeth Grey

"He appears to have m., as his second wife, Elizabeth Grey , grand-daughter of Reginald, 3rd baron Grey of Ruthin".[4]

His (2nd wife) was Elizabeth Grey, daughter of Robert Grey, Esq., Constable of Ruthin Castle. [1]

Public Service

William was created a Knight of the Bath in 1489 by Henry VII.[6]

Death

SIR WILLIAM GRIFFITH died in 1505 or 1506. [1]

There is a conflict regarding William's death year. The Welsh Biography Online shows that he died in 1505/6, whereas Glenn states that William was alive in 1520 (12 Henry VIII) and survived for many years after, dying about 1539.[3]

Issue

William and his first wife were the parents of his heir and successor, his son William (1480-1531).[4]

William and his second wife Elizabeth Grey had one son, William Grey, and one daughter, Alice (wife of Pierce Vychan, of Coetmor). [1]

Research notes

Previously-shown son Edmund

Edmund Griffith has previously been shown on WikiTree as son of Joan Troutbeck and her husband William Griffith. In the absence of reliable sourcing, he has been detached. See the research notes on Edmund's profile.

Sources

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume II, page 345 COYTEMORE 16.
  2. ↑ Source: #S00048 Record for William Griffith Record for Joan Troutbeck
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Thomas Allen Glenn. Reifsnyder-Gillam Ancestry. pvt., 1902. GoogleBooks Page 57-58
  4. ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 Dictionary of Welsh Biography, entry for 'GRIFFITH OF PENRHYN, Caernarfonshire', National Library of Wales website
  5. ↑ Source: #S00048 Record for Joan Troutbeck
  6. ↑ W A Shaw. The Knights of England, Sherratt and Hughes, 1906, Vol. I, p. 143, Internet Archive

See also:

  • Source: S00048 Title: Public Member Trees Publication: Name: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2006; Repository: #R00002
  • Repository: R00002 Name: www.ancestry.com




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Lois (Stephens) Weber Ms.
NOWHERE IN THE MANY RECORDS I HAVE SEEN , IS WILLIAM GRIFFITH AND JOAN TROUTBECK THE PARENTS OF A SON EDMUND. THEY HAD ONE SON, WILLIAM AND 3 DAUGHTERS. THIS STOPS THE ANCESTRY BACK TO ROYALTY. ALSO, THE STATEMENT THAT ELIZABETH SPARROW, B. 1547, IS THE DAUGHTER OF GEO. SPARROW, NOTING SHE IS NOT MENTIONED IN HIS WILL, TRANSCRIPT OF WILL DATED 30 DEC 1609. CHILDREN NAMED: PRUDENCE , MARY, GEO. AND ANTHONY. WOULD APPRECIATE CLARIFICATION IF WRONG.
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Garrett-5361 Martha Garrett
WILLIAM GRIFFITH ( c. 1445 - 1505/6 ), is not always easy to distinguish from his father. He m. (1) Joan Troutbeck , widow of Sir William Butler of Bewsey, Ches. ; her mother was Margaret , daughter of Sir Thomas Stanley ( c. 1406 - 1459 ), first baron Stanley ; William Griffith was therefore nephew by marriage to Thomas , first earl of Derby ( 1435 - 1504 ) — another confirmation of the Stanley connection ( Dwnn , Visitations , ii, 167; Penrhyn MSS. 12 ; D.N.B. , liv., 76; Ormerod , Cheshire , ii, 42). In 1476 he is described as ‘king's servant’ and ‘ marshall of the King's Hall ’ (an office held by his father) in a grant to him by Edward IV of an annuity of £18 5s.; the annuity was renewed by Richard III in March 1484 ( Cal. Pat. Rolls , 1476-85 , 18, 418). At Michaelmas 1483 he was appointed chamberlain of North Wales by Richard III ; the appointment was confirmed by Henry VII within a month of Bosworth ( Davies , Conway and Menai Ferries , 48; Owen , Manuscripts rel. to Wales in the Brit. Mus. , ii, 147; Cal. Pat. Rolls , 1485-94 , 5). His record suggests that he followed very closely the lead of his kinsman, the time-serving earl of Derby , and a poem by Lewis Môn proves that immediately before Bosworth he shared with lord Strange , Derby 's heir, his perilous imprisonment at Nottingham as hostage for his father's all-too-uncertain loyalty; presumably, he shared, too, the same narrow escape from death on the eve of the battle. Tudur Aled also refers, more obscurely, to this crisis in William Griffith 's career. ( Gairdner , Richard III , ed. 1898 , 227-38; Mostyn MSS. 148, 467 ; Gwaith Tudur Aled , ed. T. Gwynn Jones , i, 143.) His influential connections were not confined to the Stanley s .

He appears to have m., as his second wife, Elizabeth Grey , grand-daughter of Reginald , 3rd baron Grey of Ruthin (the enemy of Owain Glyndŵr ) and first cousin to John Grey , lord Ferrers of Groby ( 1432 - 1461 ) who was the first husband of Elizabeth Woodville , later queen of Edward IV . ( D.N.B. , xxiii, 193, 197; Williams , Observations on the Snowdon Mountains , 1802 , 174.) The marriage must have brought him into personal contact with the powerful Greys and Woodvilles and it would explain the presence of a William Griffith as member of Edward IV 's council on 8 Aug. 1482 . ( Gairdner , op. cit., 338-9.)

Under Henry VII he continued to hold the chamberlainship of North Wales until 1490 when he was replaced by Sir Richard Pole ( Davies , Conway and Menai Ferries , 48, 68.) He was knighted when Arthur was created prince of Wales in 1489 and he continued to serve on a number of North Wales commissions. ( Cal. Pat. Rolls, 1485-94 , 86, 354.) He d. 1505/6 . ( Penrhyn MSS. 44-5 .) Among poets who sang to him are Tudur Penllyn , Dafydd Pennant , Dafydd Llwyd ap Llywelyn , Lewis Môn , and Tudur Aled . ( Mostyn MSS. 148, 467, 504, 532, 535 ; Gwaith Tudur Aled , ed. T. Gwynn Jones , i, 142.)

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posted by Martha Garrett
Garrett-5361 Martha Garrett
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Holland-3338 Bettye (Holland) Carroll
Source: Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume II, page 344 COYTEMORE 16.

Sir William Boteler died 8 June 1471. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) (as his 1st wife) William Griffith, son of Gwilym Fychan ap Gwilym (otherwise known as William Griffith), by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter of Richard Dalton, Knt. They had one son, William, and three daughters, Jane (wife of William Herbert), Margaret (wife of Nicholas Dutton, and Simon Thelwall), and Ann (wife of ___ Winnington).

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Lockwood-1016 Doug Lockwood
Griffith-2495 and Griffith-25 appear to represent the same person because: I believe this is the same person. DOD is uncertain in Griffith-2495
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