Olivia (Guinness) Archer (abt. 1794 - 1829)

Olivia Guinness is NOT the mother of Selina Harriett Archer. Elizabeth Thompson Is: Thompson-23468.

BIRTH record verified: http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=97381&type=bch&recordCentre=wicklow&page=1 Selina Harriet Archer, Date of Birth: 05-Jun-1838, Date of Baptism: 25-Jun-1858, Address: Newcastle, Parish/District: NEWCASTLE Gender: Female, County Wicklow, Denomination: Church Of Ireland, Father: William Archer, Occupation: Clergyman, Mother: Elizabeth

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Wexford Independent 22 March 1856 1856 Wellington Shegog (son of Richard Shegog Esq., late of Cottage Drogheda) marries Selina Harriet, 5th daughter of Rev Wm Archer A.M. Rector of the parish of Croag (Selina Harriet Last name Archer Registration year 1856 Registered Quarter/Year 1856 Registration district Rathkeale Volume 9 Page 690 County - MarriageFinder™ Selina Harriet went to India after Wellington Shegog died. Her bother Henry was there. She married Michael Lynch while there, and divorced him. She may have a son with him. GOULDSBURY, SELINA HARRIETTE 51 Order GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 18

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Selina Harriet Last name Lynch Marriage year 1878 Marriage date 23 Mar 1878 Spouse's James Ruthorn Elphenstone Gouldsbury (b:19 May 1837) Place Lahore Presidency Bengal Groom's father's first name Frances Groom's father's last name Gouldsbury Bride's father's first name William Bride's father's last name Archer Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948 Archive reference N-1-163 Folio number 173 Entry number - Record set British India Office marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain Kathy Donovan

Guinness-780 and Guinness-18 appear to represent the same person because: These are now ready to be merged now that a date of death has been agreed on by both PMs. Thank you for your help!

Jo Fitz-Henry, England Project Data Doctor.

Dear Phil, Andrew and Richard

I have done some more searching for the Olivia Archer who died in the Ongar RD of Essex in Q2 1873 aged 76.

I have found Olivia as the wife of John Archer, an Ag Lab, from every census from 1841 to 1871 living in Kelvedon Hatch, which is in the registration district of Ongar Essex. She was born in Essex.

There is a death of a John Archer in Q1 1877 in the Ongar RD.

Neither are on the return of Kelvedon Hatch for the 1881 census.(I have looked through all the pages)

So I think we can safely say that the death that has been entered for Guinness-18 is for another Olivia Archer who lived all her life in Essex, England.

If this 1873 death is removed from Guinness-18, would all parties be agreeable to the merge of Guinness-18 and Guinness-780?

Jo

It would seem that Guinness-780 and Guinness-18 ARE the same woman. It would be unusual for parents to have two daughters named Olivia born in the same year, who both married a William Archer.

The sticking point for merging seems to be her death.

Kathy - The death source for Guinness-780 in 1829 seems very convincing.

Phil, Andrew and Richard - do any of you have the actual death certificate for the Olivia Archer who died in Essex, England in 1873? If so, would you add it as a source to Guinness-18 so the relative merits of the two sources can be compared.

Best wishes. Jo

England Project Data Doctors team.

Guinness-780 and Guinness-18 do not represent the same person because: She died in Dublin Ireland in 1829. Her's and Reverend William Lamb Archer were born in Ireland. Those children interacted with their half siblings over their lifetimes. See probate records for Anna Jane Archer Woodhouse and Margaret Agusta Archer Vicent in England's Probate records. See the names of Isabella Sarah Archer Turner's, child of Rev. William Lamb Archer and Elizabeth Thompson, (2nd wife), children in those probates.

Biography Last Edited=3 Aug 2008 Olivia Guinness was born in 1794. 1 She was the daughter of Reverend Hosea Guinness and Jane Hart. 2 She married Reverend William Archer. 1 Her married name became Archer. 1 Citations: 1. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 1698. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition. 2. [S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.

Reverend William Archer 1 M, #302045 Last Edited=3 Aug 2008 Reverend William Archer married Olivia Guinness, daughter of Reverend Hosea Guinness and Jane Hart.1 Citations 1. [S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 1698. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.

Newspaper: WMT J, Westmeath Journal, ran on 06/04/1829, an account of the death: Mrs. Olivia (nee GUINNESS) Archer 1829. May 27, at the house of her father, the Rev. Dr. Guinness, Olivia, wife of the Rev. William Archer, Vicar of Newcastle, in the county of Wicklow. [Rev Dr. Hosea Guinness lived at 52 Lr Camden St, Dublin]

http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2007/10/leixlip_chronology_18001849.asp ....Rev Dr. Hosea Guinness lived at 52 Lr Camden St, Dublin and Arthur Guinness at 52 Rutland Square West. Rev Charles Maturin, the author of Leixlip Castle, lived at 37 York St, Dublin. Glascock & Black, attorneys, were operating from 17 Duke St. [Wilson’s Dublin Street Directory, 1818].

Guinness-780 and Guinness-18 appear to represent the same person because: Same spouse, parents, name and birth year.

Guinness-18 and Guinness-74 appear to represent the same person because: Parents, husband, and death date/place match.