Bob Meehan suggested that Maria Barbara Himmelman was the daughter of George Philipp and Maria Barbara Himmelman without providing any sources.[11] In response to a query, he provided the passenger list for the ship Gale arriving in Halifax, Nova Scotia, in 1752 with George Hemelman and Johann Philipp Himmelman on board [12] Bob's George Philipp and the list's Johann Philipp Himmelman are probably the same man, since his full name was Johann-Philipp George Himmelman. However, the list Bob cited lists only the males. On the original passenger list, the other passengers were listed by number under the "Freight" section[13] A more complete and reliable source for the Lunenburg immigrants is Dr. Winthrop P. Bell's Register of the Foreign Protestants of Nova Scotia (ca. 1749-1770), and it does not list Maria Barbara as a child of Johann Philip Himmelman.[14] Neither does the authoritative Wiki Tree profile for Johann-Philip George Himmelman. Smith & Smith's Nova Scotia Immigrants to 1867, derived from the original manuscripts, also lists Maria Barbara Hamilsbach separately from Barbara Himmelman, although they did arrive on the "Gale" at the same time.
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Maria Barbara's surname was something like "Hammelsbach," not Himmelman. Maria Barbara Himmelman, daughter of Johann Philip and Maria Barbara Bell, was a completely different woman. We know for certain that her name was closer to Hammelsbach because there is a marriage record for a Maria Barbara Hammelsbach who married Gotlieb Happold in 1753. She is on a passenger list arriving as a primary passenger in 1752. Bell clearly lists "Hamelsbach/Hammelsbag[in]" separately from "Himmelman/Hemelman/Heimelman/Himelman". [15]. Bell also lists her as being present on two victualing lists. [16] He further states, "Note that these are all females. Also many end in "-in", which would be an old German way of designating, e.g., a widow, or lone woman. E.g. "Wurtzin" would be perhaps a widow whose husband's name had been "Wurtz"....Some of these women are perhaps mothers-in-law or sisters-in-law who came out as second or third (not specially listed) adult females with families of other surname."
To further explain the name "Hamilsbach" and its spelling variations, remember that names were often spelled the way they sounded. "Hammelsbach" and "Hammelsbag" are both pronounced similarly in German. The ending "-in" was feminine and was sometimes added to the surnames of women, thus "Hammelsbagin."
It is possible that Maria was the widowed sister of Johann Philip Himmelman, who travelled with her on the "Gale," but until we find a definitive source for that, I do not think we should connect them.
Research Notes
Searched Ship Passenger Lists to Nova Scotia, Canada: Miscellaneous Ships for Hammelbagin but found nothing.
↑ 8.08.1
Source: #S1624 Entry for Maria Barbara Hamilsbach
↑ Shankle, Don, compiler, Lunenburg County and Queens County Birth, Marriage and Death Records From Primary Sources (Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia GenWeb Project, online database), Lunenburg County Births, Marriages and Deaths, letter "H," entry for Mary Barbara Hammelsbach and Gotlieb Happold, http:/freepages.rootsweb.com/~downeast/genealogy1H.htm, accessed 9 Oct 2019
↑ Bell, Winthrop Pickard. 2003. Register of the Foreign Protestants of Nova Scotia (ca. 1749-1770). 2 vols. Compiled & prepared for publication by J. Christopher Young, Guelph ON. Sackville NB: Mount Allison University.
Source: S1249 Filby, P. William, ed. U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Publication: Name: Gale Research, Farmington Hills, Michigan, 2012; Ancestry.com, online database;
Source: S1623 Shankle, Don, compiler Lunenburg County and Queens County Birth, Marriage and Death Records from Primary Sources Publication: Name: Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia GenWeb Project, online database; NOTEShankle must have standardized the spelling of surnames and possibly given names. For example, Feder and Hawbolt are the only spellings listed on their respective pages, but cross-referencing the other spouse for marriages, one finds the spellings Fehder, Haubold, Happold, etc.
Source: S1624 Smith, Leonard H. Jr. and Norma H. Smith, compilers, Nova Scotia Immigrants to 1867 (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, Maryland, 1992; Ancestry.com, online database and digital images), Vol. I, pp. 101, 110 & 111, entries for Maria Barbara Hamilsbach & Barbara Himmelman & family. https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/flhg-nsimmigrantsi/. [see attached image]
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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Maria Barbara by comparing test results with other carriers of her mitochondrial DNA.
However, there are no known mtDNA test-takers in her direct maternal line.
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Maria Barbara:
Himmelman-89 and Hammelsbach-1 appear to represent the same person because: Similar names, with Hammelsbach being the correct birth name based on passenger list and marriage record, same birth year, same husband, same children
After Johanna Fredericas death Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT then married Maria Barbara HIMMELMAN (family name aka Hammellbagin or Hamonschlagan) January 25, 1753 in Nova Scotia. She arrived in Nova Scotia June 5, 1752 in the ship Gale. She was born about 1728 in Bayern, Pfalz (The Palatinate, Germany), daughter of Georg Philipp and Maria Barbara Himmelmann. She died in 1800.
He first married Johanna Frederica. She died between October, 1752 and December, 1752 in Halifax, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. In 1754, Christoph Happold and Adam Aker drew one cow, and one sheep as their livestock allotment and commenced farming.After Johanna Fredericas death Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT then married Maria Barbara HIMMELMAN (family name aka Hammellbagin or Hamonschlagan) January 25, 1753 in Nova Scotia. She arrived in Nova Scotia June 5, 1752 in the ship Gale. She was born about 1728 in Bayern, Pfalz (The Palatinate, Germany), daughter of Georg Philipp and Maria Barbara Himmelmann. She died in 1800.After Johanna Fredericas death Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT then married Maria Barbara HIMMELMAN (family name aka Hammellbagin or Hamonschlagan)
Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT (HAPPOLD) a Swabian Huntsman from Wurttemberg Duchy, Germany, arrived in Halifax on the Sally. He settled in Lunenburg. was born April 7, 1724 in Wurttemberg, Germany. This is from the Rhineland Pfaltz. The part they come from was in Hesse Darmstadt. Wurttemberg, now called a Province, is located in southwest Germany, with France on the west and Switzerland on the south. The Black Forest is in southwest Wurttemberg. Extending eastwards from the Black Forest, like the steps of a staircase is the Swabian-Franconean terrace country. It consists of fertile valleys and rugged highlands of the Swabian Alb, where the people are known for their excellent farming skills.
What are the sources for this information? I.e., how do you know she was born in the Pfalz to Georg and Maria Barbara Himmelman? I have seen sources showing she was born to Joes. Adamus Himmelsbach & Susanna. Another source showed she was born in Rosenthal, Waldeck-Frankenberg Kreis, in what is now Hessen. Other spelling variations of the surname include Hammelsbach and Hamilsbach
Reply from Bob Meehan on 8 Sep 2019:
From information on the ship's passenger list which may or may n ot be correct. Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT tmarried Maria Barbara HIMMELMAN (family name aka Hammellbagin or Hamonschlagan) January 25, 1753 in Nova Scotia. She arrived in Nova Scotia June 5, 1752 in the ship Gale. She was born about 1728 in Bayern, Pfalz (The Palatinate, Germany), daughter of Georg Philipp and Maria Barbara Himmelmann. She died in 1800.
85 Families 5 Jun 1752 GALE
Thomas Casson, Master
Name Age From Trade Alternate Spelling
Hemelman, George 18 Palatinate Farmer HIMMELMAN
Himmelman, Johann Philip 46 Palatinate Farmer
I havbe added the locations you sepcified to my records. Thank you very much for this informatkion. Happy hunting.
Bob, thanks for the link to the ship's list. However, it lists George Hemelman aka Himmelman, age 18, and Johann Philip Himmelman, age 46, but not Maria Barbara, who was 24 in 1752, or Georg Philipp. Even if the George that is listed is Georg Philipp, he was 6 years younger than Maria Barbara, so he could not have been her father. So how did you determine that her father was Georg Philipp? You must have used another source, eh?
Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT (HAPPOLD) a Swabian Huntsman from Wurttemberg Duchy, Germany, arrived in Halifax on the Sally. He settled in Lunenburg. was born April 7, 1724 in Wurttemberg, Germany. This is from the Rhineland Pfaltz. The part they come from was in Hesse Darmstadt. Wurttemberg, now called a Province, is located in southwest Germany, with France on the west and Switzerland on the south. The Black Forest is in southwest Wurttemberg. Extending eastwards from the Black Forest, like the steps of a staircase is the Swabian-Franconean terrace country. It consists of fertile valleys and rugged highlands of the Swabian Alb, where the people are known for their excellent farming skills.
Reply from Bob Meehan on 8 Sep 2019:
From information on the ship's passenger list which may or may n ot be correct. Johann Christoph Gottlieb Ludwig HAWBOLDT tmarried Maria Barbara HIMMELMAN (family name aka Hammellbagin or Hamonschlagan) January 25, 1753 in Nova Scotia. She arrived in Nova Scotia June 5, 1752 in the ship Gale. She was born about 1728 in Bayern, Pfalz (The Palatinate, Germany), daughter of Georg Philipp and Maria Barbara Himmelmann. She died in 1800.
85 Families 5 Jun 1752 GALE Thomas Casson, Master
Name Age From Trade Alternate Spelling
Hemelman, George 18 Palatinate Farmer HIMMELMAN Himmelman, Johann Philip 46 Palatinate Farmer
I havbe added the locations you sepcified to my records. Thank you very much for this informatkion. Happy hunting.
Reply from Bob Meehan on 10 Sep 2019:
It wasn't from a book but from a web site (several) that contained the ship's list. One is on Rootsweb https://sites.rootsweb.com/~canns/lunenburg/shiplist5.html Happy hunting. Bob
Reply from Keith Riggle on 11 Sep 2019:
Bob, thanks for the link to the ship's list. However, it lists George Hemelman aka Himmelman, age 18, and Johann Philip Himmelman, age 46, but not Maria Barbara, who was 24 in 1752, or Georg Philipp. Even if the George that is listed is Georg Philipp, he was 6 years younger than Maria Barbara, so he could not have been her father. So how did you determine that her father was Georg Philipp? You must have used another source, eh?