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Thomas Harvey Jr. (1617 - 1651)

Thomas Harvey Jr.
Born in Ashill, Somerset, Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and
Brother of [half]
Husband of — married 1642 in Taunton, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 34 in Taunton, Bristol County Massachusettsmap
Profile last modified | Created 19 Jul 2012
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Disputed Origins

This Thomas Harvey b. 1617 has been long believed to be the brother of William Harvey b. 1614; both born in Somersetshire, England and who together immigrated from there to Dorchester, Mass. in 1636.

Recent Y-DNA test results upon direct male line descendants of these two men has established that, while possibly half brothers, they may not have been sired by the same father.

See below for further details.

Y-DNA Analysis/Discussion

William Harvey of Taunton discussion :

1. Five closely related Y-DNA tested men, supported by individually researched genealogical paper trails leading back to William Harvey of Taunton, b. ~ 1614, have all been confirmed, via Y-DNA testing, as belonging to haplogroup (E-M84/L29/Z795). As of today their most distant common ancestor (CA) is Thomas Harvey b. 1641, first born son of William Harvey of Taunton and his wife Joanna Hucker. This specific "E" haplogroup/haplotype has been found to be very much a rare outlier amidst the E haplogroup universe.

This close connection was recently established by the appearance of a newly found direct line male descendant of John Harvey b. 1683, third son of Thomas Harvey b. 1641, who has been Y-DNA tested as E-M84 by 23andMe DNA lab. His Y-DNA test results indicate he is closely related to the five direct line male descendants of Zachariah Harvey b. 1711; Zachariah is a gr-grandson of William Harvey of Taunton, as his father, Thomas Harvey b. 1682, was second son of Thomas Harvey b. 1641.

With these facts in mind, the last link for proving that the E-M84 haplogroup designation applies to William Harvey of Taunton b. 1614, would be to : find and test a male direct line descendant of Thomas Harvey b. 1641 -- father of Thomas Harvey b. 1682 and grandfather of Zachariah Harvey b. 1711. Update : 5/8/2021 Per the above discussion This has now been accomplished.

John Harvey b. 1736, Zachariah Harvey b. 1744, and Isaiah Harvey b. 1758 are the three sons of Zachariah Harvey b. 1711 who have been Y-DNA tested through four living male direct line descendants - one man descended through John b. 1736, one man descended through Zachariah b. 1744 and two men descended through different sons of Isaiah b. 1758 (last son of Zachariah) .

Thus the previous broken link between William Harvey of Taunton and gr-grandson Zachariah Harvey appears to now be connected.

Thomas Harvey Jr. discussion :

2. Seven direct line Harvey males, all with individually developed genealogical paper trails, exhibit a very strong "R" haplogroup/haplotype pattern with a Y-DNA matching connection back to Thomas Harvey Jr. b. 1617 (Thomas has long been a purported brother of William Harvey of Taunton). These seven Harvey surname matches (of a total of 12 males of whom 5 have other than Harvey surnames) have been Y-DNA tested and have been confirmed as all belonging to haplogroup R-M269. One Harvey surname and one other surname of the 12 matches have also been further tested downstream and currently match at R-BY62546. R--BY62546 is very broadly estimated to be about 2300 years of age. (SNP Tracker). At this time it is not known when, where, or how the Harvey/other surname connections came to be - quite probably before surname usage. Deeper SNP testing will be required to flesh this out.

Thomas Harvey b. 1643 and William Harvey b. 1645 are the two sons of Thomas Harvey b. 1617 who have been Y-DNA tested through seven living male direct line descendants - one man descended through Thomas b. 1643 and four men descended through William b. 1645. An appropriate living male direct line descendant of the third son John Harvey b. 1647 has not been found for testing to-date.

Summation discussion

3. Nothing found through Y-DNA testing thus far has presented any errors, differences, or changes to the facts to be found in the Massachusetts/Taunton vital records or in the well-known Harvey Book published in 1899 by Oscar Jewell Harvey - except that these two Harvey men do not appear to be brothers from a paternal genetic perspective.

Apparently further Y-DNA confirmation or refutation of the paternal parentage of William Harvey b. ~1614 and Thomas Harvey b. 1617 will need to come from living, tested,direct line male descendants of William of Taunton b. ~1614 and Thomas Harvey Jr. b. 1617 currently living in England or environs with long term ancestral roots there.

The fact remains that the long-held full brother-hood relationship between William Harvey b. ~1614 and Thomas Harvey b. 1617 remains more in doubt than ever before.

Biography

Thomas Harvey came to Mass. with brother; bought citizenship at Taunton for 12 shillings.[1]
Thomas Harvey, b. 1617, m. to Elizabeth Andrews, d. 1651; "left Kent, England, with his brother William, and settled in Dorchester, Mass., 1636"[2]: children :
Thomas (1643 - 1726)
William (1645 - ______)
John (~1647 - 1704/05)
Thomas Harvey,
b. 1617 Ashill, Som, England to Thomas & Joan (Coller) Harvey,
m. ~1637 Ashill, Somerset, Eng to Elizabeth Andrews,
d. 1651 Taunton, Bristol, MA.[3]

Sources

  1. Oscar Jewell Harvey, The Harvey Book, Wilkes Barre, Pa: E.B. Yordy & Co., Printers, 1899
  2. Burke's Landed Gentry (1939, p. 2732)
  3. LDS PRF 1873286-1003103142138 by Barclay Jack Standing

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About Thomas Harvey Jr. - [[1]]

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Thomas Harvey and his older brother William emigrated 1636. Court records show Thomas Harvey residing and being a Freeman in Taunton, Mass shortly after he reached the age of majority of 21 (after 1638). I changed his 1642 marriage location from England to Massachusetts because that's where he was living 1642. Thomas and Elizabeth are also listed in the book New England marriages Prior to 1700, pg. 350
Christine,

Please ask this question on G2G as we should expose the situation to as large a population of Harvey researchers as possible and a more public venue will accomplish this.

posted by William Harvey
How do we know which brother, with which haplogroup, is the correct son of Thomas Harvey of Ash Hill? Thomas' RM-269 is most prevalent in West coast England, Ireland, with the highest concentration in Wales. The Harvey brothers were born in Western England, near Wales. William's EM-84 is common amoung souther European men, Sicilian, and Mediteranean. Also prevalent in Shepardic Jewish men.

Have we tested the DNA of the older Harvey male line? How do we know which brother carries the father's Y chromosome? Can someone please come forward with a theory? Is one of the brothers from an earlier marriage? I don't feel that Thomas harvey b. 1617 should be severed from his father Thomas Harvey elder, without more discussion.

Head's up on the purpose of using "Rejected Match" - that is to be used on any two profiles that might otherwise appear to be the same but are not; it is not necessary to "reject matches" of people with the same name but who are born decades or centuries apart.

Ah... I see you were using it only for those profiles that had empty birth fields. I made some effort to estimate those births, and have requests out to others to either open the profile or add an estimated birth year.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Harvey-1871 and Harvey-3119 appear to represent the same person because: they definitely are the same. Should be merged and bio of Harvey-3119 cleaned up as it apparently has a Gedcom origin
posted by William Harvey