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Robert Hill (1615 - bef. 1680)

Robert Hill
Born in Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1642 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Father of and
Died before before age 65 in Surry County, Colony of Virginiamap
Profile last modified | Created 22 Dec 2009
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Biography

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Robert Hill was a Virginia colonist.

Robert was born in 1615 in England. He married Mary Webb in 1642 in England. He passed away in Surry County, Virginia and is most likely buried on his plantation.[1]

Research Notes

Sources for this person are sparse, and judging from his FindAGrave memorial changing significantly (see below), in conflict. As with many families in colonial Virginia, identifying which record goes with which person can be a challenge, as there were frequently more than one person with the same name in the same area.

Birth: A record of baptism is found in Taunton for Robert, son of Mr Robert Hill, on 28 December 1615.[2]

Property Transactions

Francis England - 746 acs. Isle of Wight Co., Virginia, June 20, 1642 - Patent Book: II, page: 857. Adj. Capt. Peirce. Trans. of 15 persons: Robert Hill, Mary, his wife, John Powell, Eliza Webb, Sarah England [wife of Francis], Jon. Lippett, Jon. Sykes, Robert Davis, Hugh Brent, Edward Palmer, Jon. Acton, Thomas Coggin, James Piland, Alexandra his wife. [3] [4]
1679 --- On February 9, 1679/80, Sion Hill, of Surry County, Virginia, confirmed to Edmond Wickins, land sold to Wickins in Isle of Wight County by my father, Robert, HIll, deceased, said land having been assigned to Hill in 1653 by George Archer. This was also signed by Elizabeth Hill. Witnesses were Richard Tibbot and Robert Kae. Isle of Wight Will and Deed Book: 1, 1662-1686, page: 164. ----- SOUTHSIDE VIRGINIA FAMILIES VOL. II, by John B. Boddie, 1956, page: 164 --- SEVENTEENTH CENTURY ISLE OF WIGHT, VIRGINIA, by John B. Boddie, 1973, page: 584.

Court Records

1665 --- February 1665: Elizabeth Bannister, Robert Hill, Charles Borecroft upon petition of Robert Webb were appointed his guardians, They desire to be released. Witness: William Buttes, Thomas Demmitt and Rice williams. -- Surry County, Virginia -- Book I 1652-1672, page: 83. ----- SURRY COUNTY RECORDS SURRY COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1652-1684, by Eliza Timberlake Davis, 1990, page: 14.

Tombstone

Tombstone is on the Farm in Surry County, Virgina. On my summer travels, I was able to get to Virginia and added pictures to Find-A-Grave and my Tree on FTM (Ancestry.com). I'm not totally sure it's a Headstone, because whatever was on it can't be read anymore. Smaller pieces were nearby covering about 30 by 45 foot area in the northwest corner of the property. Please understand I moved nothing I only took pictures. ~ Information provided by photographer Christopher Veltmann[5]

Quit Rents

1704 --- Quit Rents: Surry County, Virginia -- 200 Acres -- Robert HIll.

Recent Merge

Comparing information of profiles merged in November 2021 - merged-in profile information[6] followed by pre-merge info:
  • [no parents attached]
  • Robert was born about 1620 in Northumberland, England.[6]
    • Robert was born in 1615 in England (text has information about a 1615 baptism record, but may not be his).
  • Married Mary (Webb) Hill 9 Feb 1642 in Northumberland, England.[6]
    • Married Mary (Webb) Hill 1642 in England.
  • Son Sion William Hill
  • He passed away 9 Feb 1678 in Isle of Wight, Virginia[6] (perhaps the death date is based on the land transaction dated 9 February 1679/80, above).
    • He passed away about 1698 in Surry County, Colony of Virginia (although he had land in Isle of Wight, he apparently was living in Surry County and died there).

Searches

freereg.org.uk search 8 Feb. 2021:
  • Search for a Robert Hill born 1615 found one in Devon: Robert, son of Roger Hill of "Whit*iff*", baptized 27 August 1615 [7]
  • Search for a Robert Hill married between 1641 and 1643 returned no likely candidates.
  • Search for a Robert Hill buried in 1698 in Devon returned 0 results.

FindAGrave Memorials

From his current FindAGrave memorial (with capitalization and punctuation changes); no source citation:[1]
  • Robert Hill died May 1698, Bishop's Nympton, Devon, England.
Children:
  • William Hill (1636-1685)
  • Fayth Hill (1638-1715)
  • Thomas Hill ( - 1646)
  • Francis Hill (1649-1769)
  • John Hill ( - 1653)
  • Anne Hill (1654-1769)
  • Sion William Hill (1654-1705)
Note that the image is the one taken in Virginia.
From his FindAGrave memorial in 2017:[5]
  • Born: 1615 - Northumberland County, England
  • Died: 1662 - Surry County, Virginia
  • Father: Robert Hill
  • Mother: Ann (Kinge) Hill
  • Married 1642 England

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Find A Grave: Memorial #46336830 for "Robert Hill II" (accessed 10 June 2020) has May 1698 death date at top, 1662 and May 1698 death dates in text; image of broken tombstone has no discernable markings and a caption that notes "Almost all of the markings are gone".
  2. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/26754548?h=4ea6ab&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url
  3. Nugent, Nell Marion, Abstracted and Indexed by. Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1623-1800. In Five Volumes. Richmond, VA.: Press of the Dietz Printing Co., 1935; Page 140
  4. SEVENTEENTH CENTURY ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY, VIRGINIA, by John B. Boddie, 1973, page: 669.
  5. 5.0 5.1 From an earlier iteration of his FindAGrave memorial (same number):
    • Find A Grave, database and images (http://findagrave.com : accessed 4 May 2017), memorial #46336830 for Robert Hill, II (1615 - 1662) - Find A Grave Memorial.
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 Sources from merged-in profile:
    • Family records
    • Early Immigrants to Virginia from the 1500s and 1600s
  7. Cullompton : St Andrew : : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5a19fe3df493fd11c78fbf1d : viewed 8 Feb 2021) baptism Robert Hill 27 Aug 1615
  • Cavaliers and Pioneers. Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1623-1666, Volume I, page 140.


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What I found, Robert Hill born jan. 1 1615 Born Northumberland, England, Baptism Jul, 28 1615 in St. Mary Magdalene, Taunton Somerset, England. Robert II and Mary Webb married and came to America in 1642 Isle of Wight County, VA. Parents Robert Hill & Anna Kinge. Book signed at church.

Robert Hill I was born 1589 in Norfolk England and Died 1657 Crewkerne, Somerset, England *Book East Does West 1984 Dallas Public Library, 929.2C973 C885E. Pg 89

"Book signed at church" is intriguing. Is that the source of the marriage information or the birth/baptism? Please provide details.

Also, I could not find a book called "East Does West" using google - I did find a book called "East Goes West" but not 1984 and not relevant to the Hills of colonial Virginia:

"East Goes West" illustrates the life of an Asian immigrant: Nov 30, 2019 — Originally published in 1937 and set in the 1920s, East Goes West by Younghill King follows the experiences of Chungpa Han, a young man who ..."

Do you know the author of the book you cite? What is the source cited in the book for the information about Robert Hill born in Norfolk/died in Somerset? What is the source that says he's the father of the Robert Hill born in Northumberland and baptized in Somerset? (if that's what you're saying) Sorry for all the questions!

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
So, the book signing at the church was for the baptism of Robert 1615. Photo of it is on Ancestry.

the book "East Goes West" I found this info under Research Notes for Robert Hill Sr in Ancestry.com do not know the author, sorry!

Also on Family search has Hill-51 as son of Robert Francis Hill 11 August 1589–5 April 1657

No problem about the questions. Also on the Research Notes for Robert Hill Sr it has Robert Hill, born 1615

The photo of the church book... is it an image of the actual parish register for St. Mary Magdalene? What information did it have? (e.g., mother/father’s names, godparents? home of parishioners ... which is usually noted when they live in another village) I'm geographically challenged - would it be likely that someone born in Northumberland, England would be baptized in "Taunton Somerset".

Also, neither Ancestry not FamilySearch is a reliable source, although they might include reliable sources (like an image from a parish register). Still, that doesn't mean that the entry in that register is for the Robert Hill who subsequently married Mary Webb and immigrated to America.

The Research Notes have a different record of baptism, also 1615, but also with no indication that it's for this Robert Hill (especially since the father is shown as Roger, and that name does not appear among the descendants listed in WikiTree). It was the only Robert Hill found in freereg baptized in 1615 (it may be that freereg has not yet transcribed the parish records that Ancestry cited).

At this point, we're working on speculation about when he was born and who his parents are, since clear primary support is lacking. That he and his wife Mary were transported and claimed as headrights by Francis England prior to 20 June 1642 is supported - they are listed in a land transaction of that date. However, transported from where, and when, is not - headrights were not always immediately used, and not necessarily by the person that earned them (although looking into Francis England might be enlightening). And while headrights were granted for transportation into the colony, that transportation was not always from England; some enterprising settlers were granted land for transportation of persons between colonies (and sometimes even between counties).

So, we have a couple of challenges:

  1. Finding clear primary proof of when and where he was born, and to whom.
  2. Finding the record of his marriage to Mary
  3. Finding clear primary proof of who his children were and when/where they were born.
  4. Finding clear primary proof of when/where he died.

Cheers, Liz

P.S. I knew I'd seen reference to East Goes West somewhere... it's on Sion Hill-50's profile (and quotes the passage that includes his birth/death/marriage):

↑ 4.0 4.1 Craft, Alta DeShazer. East Goes West: History of the Craft-Hill-Harris- and DeShazer-Faubion-Douglass-Howlett Familes. Publisher: A. D. Craft,1984. Located: Dallas Public Library, 929.2C973 C885E. Pg 89

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
ah. The passage quoted on Sion's profile might not be from the book. It appears to be the entry found at https://web.archive.org/web/20150403102753/http://www.larkcom.us/ancestry/history/2786.cfm (which is for "Generation 2" of Robert Hill & lists the book in the bibliography). Unfortunately, archive.org's Wayback Machine did not capture Generation 1, but it did capture Generation 3: https://web.archive.org/web/20030906204458/http://www.larkcom.us/ancestry/history/2784.cfm#2012 (showing Sion's 2nd marriage to Hannah Cook, which Shirley noted has no sources to support).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Sorry I can only tell you what I saw of the book on Ancestry.com if I lived in England I would go get my own pic of book and grave stone at the church.

Sion W. son of Robert II, son of John I, son of Moses Rodney, son of Sir John Fountlerly, son of Robert of Heligan Estates, had land throughout England.

Did each person back then sign logbook on pre-board and disembark locations? Just a thought.

Cheers,

Charlie

28 July 1615 Taunton baptism is misstranscribed on Ancestry (is Dec 28)

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/26754548?h=4ea6ab&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url. This is the son of a Mr Robert Hill so the father was from the local 'gentry'. A Robert Hill married a Mary Pointington at St Mary Taunton in 1639 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/26754647?h=2f87b4&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

Hill is actually a very common name in both Taunton Parishes. Lots of burials of Robert Hills in the period 1638-1684.

A child born in Jan 1615 was actually born in the following month(New year was 25 March) As already stated Northumberland is in the North of England. Taunton is on the S.W. penninsula, 350-400 miles away. A very long and difficult journey at that time.

posted by Helen (Coleman) Ford
edited by Helen (Coleman) Ford
Hill-51 and Hill-46499 appear to represent the same person because: Close birthdate/places, same wife's name (who also needs to be merged), same son name, close death dates/places.
posted on Hill-46499 (merged) by Lyle McElhaney
Northumberland is way up north in England, Kent is in the south on the English Channel. They are not in any way related, both being independent, old, counties in England.
posted by Nancy Caton
Thanks - reading the text, I think Northumberland was meant to be Virginia. Many Ancestry profiles I've found have truncated New Kent County, Virginia to just Kent. Probably neither was meant to be England.
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The Robert Hill attached as his son (Hill-20180) is born well after he died. I've posted a request for sources to the son's profile (Hill-20180).
Warning: Check the data.
  • A father's death date (Hill-51 died 1662) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Hill-20180 born 1667).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
My 8th Great-Grandfather  :)
according to pdf posted http://www.docstoc.com/docs/96221572/PDFGENE9 this Robert's parents are Robert Hill born 1590 & his wife Ann Kinge. They have WikiTree profiles: Hill-9274 & Kinge-70

Let me know if you need help attaching him as their son.

update - that link no longer works, and I didn't note in this comment what source(s) it gave. Sorry! (note - the URL was not captured by archive.org)

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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